What is a "soul?"

[Waggles]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I wish I read this first!

That is why it is important to click on the notifications icon.

Anyway perhaps we can all sing that song from Monty Python 

I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay.
I sleep all night and I work all day.

He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

I cut down trees. I eat my lunch.
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And have buttered scones for tea.

... ... ... 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Waggles said:

That is why it is important to click on the notifications icon.

Anyway perhaps we can all sing that song from Monty Python 

I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay.
I sleep all night and I work all day.

He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

I cut down trees. I eat my lunch.
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And have buttered scones for tea.

... ... ... 

I have never heard that one.  My problem is I write in between doing other things so it takes me forever to finish once I start and if I click on anything I seem to lose what I had written 1/2 the time so now I just finish and then have things like that happen, oh well.  Sometimes by the time I post and I am 5 or 6 pages behind...

[Retrobyter]

On 4/18/2021 at 12:01 PM, DeighAnn said:

FLESH, it is made from the DIRT OF THE EARTH.  WE are covered in dirt.  

THE  "WE" OF US IS COVERED IN DIRT

Shalom, DeighAnn.

No! That's not right! We're not "covered in dirt"; we ARE "dirt!" These are YHWH GOD'S WORDS!!! Take it up with Him!

Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV)

17 And unto Adam he said,

"Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: FOR DUST THOU ART, and UNTO DUST SHALT THOU RETURN.

 

On 4/18/2021 at 12:01 PM, DeighAnn said:

WHERE DOES THE DIRT GO WHEN WE DIE???

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:

EVER SEE A BODY THAT HAS BEEN IN THE EARTH FOR A LONG TIME?  NOTICE THEY CAN FIND LOTS OF BONES BUT NO FLESH?  CAUSE THE FLESH RETURNS TO THE EARTH 

You could have saved yourself some time and just looked at Genesis 3:19 above.

Bones also decay and go back to dust. It just takes them longer because they are so compact. However, bacteria and the chemicals of certain creatures can break them down in time.

On 4/18/2021 at 12:01 PM, DeighAnn said:

WHILE THE 'WE'

(THE ANGEL (the celestial body)  THAT DESCENDED DOWN THAT LADDER has been placed by God and is going to be COVERED WITH DIRT IN THE MOTHERS WOMB. 

An "angel" is NOT a "celestial body!" Good grief, are you confused! An "angel" is simply a "MESSENGER." That's what "mal'akh" means in Hebrew; that's what "aggelos" means in Greek!

It may be a supernatural messenger, but it may also be a HUMAN messenger. You've taken "Jacob's Ladder" WAY OUT OF CONTEXT, and have treated it as though it was some sort of "Gospel truth!" If you treat that as some source to deeper truth, you're WAY OFF BASE!

On 4/18/2021 at 12:01 PM, DeighAnn said:

Who created all souls?  Do you think that a mommy and daddy are creating 'a soul'?  NO, that soul/person/being/spirit/child of God

While God IS the Source of the FIRST "Soul" ("Air-breather"), ADAM, HE CREATED US WITH THE ABILITY TO REPRODUCE! YES! "Mommy and daddy are creating 'a soul'! A little "air-breather" from the moment the baby's bottom is slapped! (If they need to do that to start the baby breathing by crying.) THEY BREATHE, and it had better be soon after birth! YOU HAVE A WRONG DEFINITION OF "SOUL!"

On 4/18/2021 at 12:01 PM, DeighAnn said:

IS RETUNING TO GOD WHO GAVE IT 

No. It is the BREATH that goes back to God who gave it!

On 4/18/2021 at 12:01 PM, DeighAnn said:

(those 2 becoming 'one flesh' is the beginning of the knitting of the DIRT onto that newly placed soul.  THINK SPIRITUAL)  

RETURNS.  


and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.  (soul/spirit  the life of you, the heart and mind and body of you, BE IT earthly or heavenly)




HEAVENLY BODY FOR HEAVEN, EARTHy BODY FOR EARTH, HEAVENLY BODY FOR HEAVEN.  

Get that dumb word "spiritual" out of your vocabulary until you've learned how to use it!

[Retrobyter]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

EVEN IF you believe God is talking about lumberjacks and trees, you must REALIZE that that is THE LETTER of what is written. We can all see that.  But what we know it that is not the spiritual story.  SO

WHAT do your SPIRITUAL EYES TELL YOU?

The Word introduces 'mighty' men, who produce 'giants' as their offspring causing GOD to flood the earth, and it's just about regular men, and that is your comfort zone?  But what about when it is added to 'women having to keep their heads covered'?  and angels leaving their habitation?  and 'just those' reserved in chains?  Being told Satan and his angels are being cast to earth doesn't bring all of that together? sad  
It really all comes down to the same thing over and over, the letter vs spirit. 

I do understand what the letter of it says.  I completely understand the Hebrew words. I understand their definitions.  I agree that is as the letter reads.  But I don't agree that is what it says.  

I am not in agreement with THAT being THE MESSAGE GOD is GIVING. 

It isn't the CARNAL read of it that is causing the problem, it is the SPIRITUAL read.  

AGAIN,  I have NO PROBLEM or a lack of understanding and I am very able to read it just as you do, I got understanding on structure and definitions and the laws of language.  I understand how GOD uses those 'laws' of language and even purposely breaks them to bring attention and pauses throughout our  studies  

 What TRUTHS do you SPIRITUAL EYES  SEE?? 

Just like Jesus speaking in parables, they heard the words but the message didn't get through.  

 I know this is the 3rd time i am asking this same question

but that is so this is the question that is addressed

(and I do not receive a response that addresses some other context error or scripture problem or definition understanding)


WHAT IS THE SPIRITUAL MESSAGE????? 

 

Shalom, DeighAnn.

There's nothing to say here. You've got to get rid of that word "spiritual" first. You don't understand it and you are SERIOUSLY MISUSING the word! Good grief! "Spiritual eyes," "spiritual message," "spiritual story." RIDICULOUS! I hear "Windy eyes," windy message," "windy story." Because "SPIRIT" comes from "RUWACH" (or "PNEUMA" in the NT), and they mean "WIND!" "Spiritual" is the adjective form of the word: "wind" --> "windy."

I feel like Scott Lang in Ant-Man when he asked, "Do you just put the word 'quantum' in front of everything you say?" This is the SAME WAY! "Do you just put the word 'spiritual' in front of everything YOU say?"

Edited April 20, 2021 by Retrobyter

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

No! That's not right! We're not "covered in dirt"; we ARE "dirt!" These are YHWH GOD'S WORDS!!! Take it up with Him!

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground

DOES THAT FLESH

HAVE ANY LIFE IN AND OF ITSELF?

DOES IT BREATHE?  WALK?  TALK?  THINK? OR IS IT JUST THE 'FORM' OF A soon to be living, breathing, thinking and feeling MAN? 

THAT 'FORM' SO COMPLETE IT EVEN HAS NOSTRILS AND ALL THE EQUIPTMENT TO GO WITH IT, JUST HAS NO LIFE WHAT SO EVER. 

IT WAS JUST 'EARTH' IN THE FORM OF A MAN,  STANDING THERE.  COULD HAVE STOOD THERE A BILLION YEARS AND IT WOULD STILL just BE DIRT.  

BUT THEN GOD

breathed into his nostrils the breath of life

AND ONLY AFTER THAT 

WHEN THAT 'DIRT'

HAD received GODS 'BREATH OF LIFE'

DID

it become a man, a living soul.

 

THE DIRT OF THE EARTH IS NOT LIFE, IT IS THE 'CONTAINER' HOLDING THE SPIRIT/SOUL WHILE ON THE EARTH AND WHEN IT IS TIME TO LEAVE THE EARTH AND GO BACK TO GOD, THAT DIRT GOES RIGHT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE BUT 
that spirit/soul doesn't die, doesn't change, doesn't become someone else, no,  THAT SPIRIT/SOUL LEAVES THAT DIRT behind AND GOES on TO HEAVEN.  AND GOD IN HIS INFINITE WISDOM, made sure there was a 'body' for that spirit/soul also, 'a celestial' body. 



AND we know this because of things like 1 Corinth 15 and 1 Thess 4 and Rev 19 and Rev 22.  


And every word we utter....and the measure in which we judge....EVEN to judge another mans servant...  So much of the flesh, but that is what 'the letter of it' does.  Word to the wise. 


John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.


This is not a literal 'eating' of His actual flesh, is it?  No, so that would make it a   __________ eating.   



 

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth,  the flesh profiteth nothing

THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE.




Psalms 139:13  For you formed my inward parts. You covered me in womb of my mother  (thou didst weave me together in my mother's womb)

7069 qanah  -  to get, acquire

5526 cakak  -    cover
to overshadow, screen, cover

(thou didst weave me together in my mother's womb)

KIDNEY


BELIEVE THIS as it is written

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

or believe this as it is NOT written

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: (BUT NOT REALLY BECAUSE BEFORE 'LIVING FOREVER' YOU FIRST MUST DIE, AND STAY DEAD, REMAIN IN THE GROUND FOR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES FOR ME TO RETURN AND WHEN I RETURN I WILL RAISE YOU FROM THAT GRAVE AND THEN AFTER HAVING BEEN RAISED FROM THAT, THEN MY PROMISE BECOMES TRUE)  and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.



 

[DeighAnn]

10 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

An "angel" is NOT a "celestial body!" Good grief, are you confused! An "angel" is simply a "MESSENGER." That's what "mal'akh" means in Hebrew; that's what "aggelos" means in Greek!

It may be a supernatural messenger, but it may also be a HUMAN messenger. You've taken "Jacob's Ladder" WAY OUT OF CONTEXT, and have treated it as though it was some sort of "Gospel truth!" If you treat that as some source to deeper truth, you're WAY OFF BASE!

A heavenly angel HAS a celestial/heavenly body.  

And yes, angels maybe terrestrial/earthy also

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?



1 Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.



THEY don't all have messages though , do they?
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

AND THEY ARE COMING AGAIN

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

 

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints

(NOT WRITTEN - THE COMETH TO RESURRECT.....ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THAT 'LAST DAY' was a day that 'WOULD HAVE BEEN' HAD THE KING AND KINGDOM NOT BEEN PUT IN ABEYANCE LIKE IT WAS, BUT) 

(BUT WITH IT BEING PUT IN ABEYANCE AND OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR INSTEAD BEING REJECTED AND CRUCIFIED,  AND THE NEW COVENANT PUT IN EFFECT BY HIS BLOOD,  THE GRAVES WERE OPENED UP, GOD EVEN MAKING A SHOW OF IT SO IT WOULD NOT BE MISSED BY HAVING SOME OF THOSE RAISED WALK AROUND AND BE SEEN BECAUSE WHAT THE LAW COULD NOT DO, GIVE LIFE, OUR LORD COULD AND DID)

[Waggles]

12 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Get that dumb word "spiritual" out of your vocabulary until you've learned how to use it!

But scripture is spiritual and tells us of spiritual truths 

Gen 1:2  The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the wind of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 

Gen 1:2  The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

John 3:8  The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the wind.” 

John 3:8  The Spirit breatheth where he will and thou hearest his voice: but thou knowest not whence he cometh and whither he goeth. So is every one that is born of the Spirit.

1Cor 2:12  But WE received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things freely given to us of God. 
2:13  Which things also we speak, not in words taught of man’s wisdom, but in Spirit-taught words; interpreting spiritual things to spiritual men. 
2:14  Now man natural receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; and know he cannot, because they are spiritually judged. 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Waggles

[debrakay]

I stopped in this thread to see what others had to say about "What is a soul?" and thought this thread got very aggressive.  AT LEAST IT LOOKED AGGRESSIVE ALL TYPED OUT IN CAPS AND BOLDED WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!  But maybe I'm wrong and no one was calling anyone "wrong" or "dumb" or "No, that's not right!" and it was all typed out in a very calm and peaceful way and I am just overreacting.

Did anyone ever give their opinion of "What is a soul?"

My soul is me. Your soul is you. I believe when the Lord brings me home to the kingdom, it will be "me" because I call him Lord and he calls me daughter.

[Waggles]

2 hours ago, debrakay said:

Did anyone ever give their opinion of "What is a soul?"

My soul is me. Your soul is you. I believe when the Lord brings me home to the kingdom, it will be "me" because I call him Lord and he calls me daughter.

In the old days newspapers reporting on tragedies would use the term "the loss of 36 souls perished in the shipwreck (or whatever). People were equated to being souls.

[warrior12]

On 4/16/2021 at 12:57 AM, warrior12 said:

 OP, I am not taking away the fact that you are indeed a student of the ancient languages and can put forth interpretations of the original words into English.  We, who don't know the original languages have to rely on the translation that is available to us.  To me,the following verse is Black and White and how to break it down further when is plainly state that we have a spirit of our own .  

It says below that God spirit bear witness with "OUR SPIRIT" that "WE" are the children of God.  God is not bearing witness with his own holy spirit, but our individual spirit.  That is the way I see it and it makes sense.  I await your breakdown of this scripture verse with all the word definitions and the rest you use to justify your theology on this matter.   Thank you

 

Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁶ The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

OP, still waiting  your reply to the above.