Trinity and the Deity of Christ

[Jedi4Yahweh]

13 minutes ago, NotAllThere said:

 impossible for us temporal, limited humans to understand, and some people have a real problem with that. 

See that is incorrect.  

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [Rom 1:20 KJV]

The bible teaches that divine nature (Godhead) can be understood by what he created.  God has revealed his nature to us by things he created.  

The bible clearly says we are created in the image and likeness of God.  Why do we want to make a mystery out of God's divine nature?  When he clearly revealed it to us.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Ozarkbound]

Jesus himself answered this question.

Luke 18:

¹⁸ And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

¹⁹ And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Jesus is asking why he is being called good since only God is good. He is clearly distinguishing himself from God. We got the trinity from the Nicea council, not from scripture.

[Zemke]

On 11/10/2020 at 5:21 PM, Episcopius said:

I recently spent quite a bit of time at a board where there were a whole lot of posters - Christians - who did not believe in the Trinity - and/or did not believe that Jesus was God.

It seemed to me a Haven for Heretics - yet they were sincere, many well-versed in Greek, otherwise-intelligent posters who said Jesus was Son of God but not actually God.

I just wanted to get a feel for how important these issues are here.

In almost all cases, I have found that those who don't believe in Trinity also do not believe Jesus was God, not in all cases, but almost.

Just wondered what folks on this board thought.

 

 

The apostle John, in his second epistle, stated the teaching expressing Jesus didn't come in the flesh is antichrist. The Greeks had a problem with deity becoming flesh. That's what Hercules was all about, a fleshly mother and a god having a child. Hercules was not a god but more than a human.(superhuman).  So for the Christ to be God he could not have been in the flesh in the Greek mind. He had to be an illusion of some sort, not flesh.

So if you were walking with Jesus in the sand there would only be one set of footprints, yours.

 Paul also was coming against this in his opening statements to the Colossians. It was a major problem of a false teaching/false gospel in the early church. 

Well, if Jesus was not Deity, 1John would not have come against this teaching and 2John would not exist because the Greeks would have never started this teaching. It's obvious the apostles and early church knew and taught Jesus is God.

This explanation can get technical but it's a practical explanation I like. When things get technical there always seems to be a technical rebuke. This one is functional in a sense.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Zemke

[NotAllThere]

3 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

See that is incorrect.  

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [Rom 1:20 KJV]

The bible teaches that divine nature (Godhead) can be understood by what he created.  God has revealed his nature to us by things he created.  

The bible clearly says we are created in the image and likeness of God.  Why do we want to make a mystery out of God's divine nature?  When he clearly revealed it to us.

No.

What you've done there is take a verse out of context and used it justify what is, perhaps, a pre-existing intellectual position.

The point of what Paul was writing in that section is that we are without excuse for unrighteousness. We cannot say "yeah, I sinned, apparently, but hey, I didn't know it was wrong!".

God has shown us (it is clearly seen) from the beginning the right way to behave - what is right and what isn't. Even if we don't have scriptures. Where the word "Godhead" is used, that simply means God is sovereign, supreme and divine. It does not mean that we understand all attributes of the Godhead - such as Trinity.

 

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

2 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

No.

What you've done there is take a verse out of context and used it justify what is, perhaps, a pre-existing intellectual position.

The point of what Paul was writing in that section is that we are without excuse for unrighteousness. We cannot say "yeah, I sinned, apparently, but hey, I didn't know it was wrong!".

God has shown us (it is clearly seen) from the beginning the right way to behave - what is right and what isn't. Even if we don't have scriptures. Where the word "Godhead" is used, that simply means God is sovereign, supreme and divine. It does not mean that we understand all attributes of the Godhead - such as Trinity.

 

It does not change the meaning of the verse, that God has revealed his divine nature through his creation and can be known and understood though the things he created.  Primarily man whom he made in HIS very own image and likeness.  God is not some alien concept that can not be understood by humans.  We are the very image and likeness of God. God is not hiding his divine nature as you stated that its too complicated for us to know or understand.  If you believe God is three persons/Gods yet one God then you have invented a concept that can not be understood or explained.  This is why you and others default to God is too complicated to understand when asked to explain. Yes, Godhead simply means divine nature as I stated and it does not mean Trinity as I heard you and others teach.  As if God is some kind of union of three separate gods forming a single God.  

Edited November 12, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Jedi4Yahweh]

oops double post

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[Dennis1209]

I'll just flatley state my personal opinion:

Christianity is not a religion or a denomination. It's a personal faith, belief, trust and personal relationship; with a 100% human and 100% God, that physically came in the flesh and walked this earth. Was born of a virgin; lived a sinless life; died on the Cross for the sins of the world; the Father raised Jesus from the dead on the third day; and He arose to Heaven and is now at the right hand of the Father. These are my core tenets of my faith.

The Bible clearly teaches there is only One God; in three individual persons; God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. That's another tenet of my faith and the faith of other true born again believers.

Romans 1:22 (KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

[Ozarkbound]

1 minute ago, Josheb said:

And yet the man who knew no sin was in fact good.

He was certainly the Son of God. I won't contradict his words.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Ozarkbound

[Desopixi Seilynam]

The Father:

God is a Spirit that just is and always was.

Holy Spirit:

Before creation He set apart, made Holy, a part of His Spirit,
for the purpose of giving birth to and indwelling the physical man Christ.

The Son:

The Son is the physical manifestation of the Father, the Father's physical body that He always planned on inhabiting, and that He set apart a part of His Spirit to inhabit.

 

We are said to be made in the image of God. That is, the image, the physical form, that God planned on taking; the form of a man, having hands, feet, eyes, etc.

 

[steve morrow]

CONTINUAL  WRESTING  OF  GODS  WORDS

2 CORINTHIANS 6:14  be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness and what communion hath --- LIGHT  WITH  DARKNESS ---

 

JOB 38:2  WHO  IS  THIS  THAT  DARKENETH  COUNSEL  BY  WORDS  WITHOUT  KNOWLEDGE 

JUDE 1:4  for there are certain men crept in unawares who were before of old ordained to this condemnation ungodly men turning the grace of our  GOD  into laciviousness and ---DENYING  THE  ONLY  LORD  GOD---AND  OUR  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST---

 

EPHESIANS 4:27  NEITHER  GIVE  PLACE  TO  THE  devil  

 

JUDE 1:14  and enoch also the seventh from adam prophesied of these saying behold  THE  LORD  cometh with ten thousands of  HIS  saints  --1:15-- to execute judgement upon all and to convince all --THAT  ARE  UNGODLY--among them of their --ungodly deeds-- which they have --ungodly committed-- and of all their hard speeches which --ungodly-- sinners have spoken  AGAINST  HIM

---1:16--- THESE  ARE  MURMURERS COMPLAINERS  WALKING  AFTER  THEIR  OWN  LUSTS  AND  THEIR  MOUTH  SPEAKETH  GREAT  SWELLING  WORDS  --- HAVING  MENS  PERSONS  IN  ADMIRATION  BECAUSE  OF  ADVANTAGE ---

 

JOHN 12:44  JESUS  CRIED  AND  SAID  HE  THAT  BELIEVETH  ON  ME  BELIEVETH  NOT  ON  ME  BUT  ON  HIM  THAT  SENT  ME 

JOHN 6:63  IT  IS  THE  SPIRIT  THAT  QUICKENETH  ---THE  FLESH  PROFITETH---NOTHING--- THE  WORDS  THAT  I  SPEAK  UNTO  YOU  --THEY  ARE  SPIRIT  -- AND  THEY  ARE  LIFE --

PROVERBS 8:8  ALL  THE  WORDS  OF  MY  MOUTH  ARE  IN RIGHTEOUSNESS  THERE  IS  NOTHING  FROWARD  OR  PERVERSE  IN  THEM

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRISTT