Sanctification?

[Duck]

Does anybody believe in entire sanctification for the believer?

[popsthebuilder]

I don't know that the Christ of GOD would have encouraged us to be perfected if it wasn't possible through the power of GOD, and too the will of GOD that all be reconciled unto HIM.

 

just my opinion.

 

peace

[OneLight]

I have yet seen a sinless person, male or female.  I do believe it is a goal, that if ever reached, is reached at their dying breath for we continually have our flesh to deal with until the next life.

[steve morrow]

TRUST  IN  THE  LORD  WITH  ALL  YOUR  HEART 

 

1 PETER 4:1  forasmuch then as  CHRIST  hath suffered for us in the flesh arm yourselves likewise with the same mind for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin 

--4:2-- THAT  HE  NO  LONGER  SHOULD  LIVE  THE  REST  OF  HIS  TIME  IN  THE  FLESH  TO  THE  LUSTS  OF  MEN  BUT  TO  THE  WILL  OF  GOD 

 

1 JOHN 5:14  and this is the confidence that we have in  HIM  that --IF-- we ask anything according to  HIS  will  he  heareth us

--5:15-- and if we know that  HE  hear us whatsoever we ask we know that we have the petitions that we desired of  HIM

pray  pray  pray

 

*******PHILIPPIANS 1:29  for unto you it is given --NOT  ONLY  TO  BELIEVE  BUT  ALSO  TO  SUFFER  FOR  HIS  SAKE-- 

 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

[enoob57]

We are born of Spirit and that is kept by the power of God... the flesh is not redeemed hence the conflict within all that are born of God... the sanctification process is where we walk in s/Spirit and not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

[missmuffet]

6 hours ago, Duck said:

Does anybody believe in entire sanctification for the believer?

Question: "What is entire sanctification?"

Answer: Entire sanctification, also known as Christian perfectionism or sometimes sinless perfection, is the teaching that a Christian can reach such a state of holiness that he or she ceases to sin in this life.

The words sanctification, sanctify, saint, holy, and consecrate all come from the same root and all have to do with being “set apart.” God is holy in that He is set apart from every other thing and especially set apart from any sin. When applied to creatures, sanctification has two senses. The first refers to the formal declaration that something has been set apart for God. For instance, the various pieces of equipment used in the tabernacle and temple were consecrated—set apart for specific use by God. Likewise, the priests were consecrated for service to God. When people come to faith in Christ, they are sanctified—they are formally designated as belonging to God. They are a holy people (1 Peter 2:9). Even the Corinthian church, which had members participating in all sorts of ungodly behavior, could be referred to as a group of “saints” (1 Corinthians 1:2) because they were children of God through faith in Christ. This is often called “positional sanctification.”

There is a second sense in which sanctification applies to believers. When they initially come to faith and are set apart for God, their actions may not be much different from their actions before. They have been formally (positionally) sanctified, but now they need to be practically sanctified—that is, they need to start living in a way that is set apart to God; they need to practice holiness. As believers grow in their relationship with the Lord, their behavior should change to be more conformed to what God desires—they will become more and more sanctified. This is often called “progressive sanctification.”

Using these two senses of the word sanctified, it is fitting to say that all believers are sanctified, but they also need to increasingly be more sanctified. They are holy, but they need to increase in holiness. They are saints, but they need to live like saints. The question regarding entire sanctification is, can any believer become fully sanctified in the practical sense? Can a believer reach a point in this life where he is so in fellowship with God and so in tune with the Holy Spirit that he no longer commits sin?

Those who hold to the doctrine of entire sanctification believe that it is indeed possible for Christians to be so sanctified in their behavior that they no longer sin. According to the concept of entire sanctification, it is possible not to sin, and some believers actually fulfill this possibility in their daily lives. Entire sanctification is then presented as an ideal that is attainable for any believer. The command to “be holy” in Matthew 5:48 is just one verse that is used as proof of this possibility. Why would God command us to do something that is impossible for us to do? Perhaps 1 John 3:6 is the most powerful proof-text: “No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.”

Those who deny the possibility of entire sanctification agree that holiness is the goal and should be the desire of every believer, but that it simply cannot be attained here on earth—sin is simply too pervasive. Interpreting 1 John 3:6, they would point out that the verb sins is in the present tense and indicates an ongoing, habitual pattern of unrepentant sin. They would also point out that the epistle of 1 John also speaks of Jesus being the Advocate for sinning believers and that, if we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves (1 John 2:1; 1:8).

In the final analysis, there is nothing in Scripture that teaches that believers will become perfect in this life. Entire sanctification will take place when we reach heaven, but not until. The expectation is that believers on earth will continue to sin and need to be cleansed (1 John 1:9). It is realistic to expect that Christians will not live in conscious sinful rebellion against God, but sin is too pervasive to ever escape its contaminations in this life. The goal is that, even though sin is present, it should not dominate us. “Count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace” (Romans 6:11–14). At any given moment, a believer may be cooperating with the Holy Spirit’s leading rather than actively rebelling against it, but, even in our best moments, we have not reached sinless perfection.

The commands of God and the demands of Scripture upon our lives are encompassing; it strains credulity for any believer to claim that he is living in perfect obedience to all that God has said. Jesus said that the greatest commandment is “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind” (Matthew 22:37) and that the second is similar: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:38). It is one thing for a believer to say that there is no known area of rebellion against God in his or her life, but it is quite another to say that he or she loves God wholly and perfectly. It is one thing to say that a believer does not harbor any hatred for his neighbor, but quite another to assert that the believer loves his neighbors the way he loves himself. First Thessalonians 1:17 commands believers to “pray without ceasing.” A believer may have a robust prayer life, but can any believer in all honesty claim to fully obey this command? Most believers find that, when they are convicted of one area of sin and repent of it, they will then become aware of another area that they may not have been aware of before. If a Christian has come to the place where he simply cannot identify any areas of sinfulness in his own life, he should not assume he has attained entire sanctification. Rather, he would be well advised to ask his spouse or other close friends or relatives for their perspective. He might be surprised at how blinded he has become to areas of sinfulness in his own life that are readily evident to others.

https://www.gotquestions.org/entire-sanctification.html

Edited November 20, 2020 by missmuffet

[steve morrow]

IF  A  PERSON  CONTINUES  TO  THINK  THAT  JESUS  CHRIST  IS  A  LIAR  HOW  CAN  THEY  EVER  BE  PERFECT  --OR  SAVED--

 

PSALM 94:8  understand you brutish among the people and you fools ---WHEN  WILL  YOU  BE  WISE---

 

AGAIN --- 1 PETER 4:1  FORASMUCH  THEN  AS  CHRIST  HATH  SUFFERED  FOR  US  IN  THE  FLESH  ARM  YOURSELVES  LIKEWISE  WITH  THE  SAME  MIND  FOR  HE  THAT  HATH  SUFFERED  IN  THE  FLESH  HATH  CEASED  FROM  SIN  

--4:2-- THAT  HE  NO  LONGER  SHOULD  LIVE  THE  REST  OF  HIS  TIME  IN  THE  FLESH  TO  THE  LUSTS  OF  MEN  BUT  TO  THE  WILL  OF  GOD  

 

******* TITUS 1:2  in hope of eternal life which  --- GOD  THAT  CANNOT  LIE --- promised before the world began*******

 

2 THESSALONIANS 2:13  but we are bound to give thanks always to  GOD  for you brethren beloved of  THE  LORD  because  GOD  hath  from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the spirit and belief of the truth 

1 CORINTHIANS 1:30  but of  HIM  are you in  --CHRIST  JESUS  WHO  OF  GOD--  is made unto us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption

2 TIMOTHY 3:15 and that from a child thou hast known --THE  HOLY  SCRIPTURES-- which are able to make thee --WISE  UNTO  SALVATION-- THROUGH  FAITH  WHICH  IS  IN  CHRIST  JESUS

 

RVELATION 21:23  and the city had no need of the sun neither of the moon to shine in it for the glory of  GOD  did lighten it and  THE  LAMB  is  the  light  thereof  --21:24--  and the nations of them which --ARE  SAVED--  shall walk in the light of it and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it 

*******21:27---  and there shall in no wise --ENTER  INTO  IT-- any thing that defileth neither whatsoever worketh abomination ---OR  MAKETH  A  LIE--- but they which are written in the lambs book of life*******

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

[Duck]

On 11/20/2020 at 6:46 PM, missmuffet said:

Question: "What is entire sanctification?"

Answer: Entire sanctification, also known as Christian perfectionism or sometimes sinless perfection, is the teaching that a Christian can reach such a state of holiness that he or she ceases to sin in this life.

The words sanctification, sanctify, saint, holy, and consecrate all come from the same root and all have to do with being “set apart.” God is holy in that He is set apart from every other thing and especially set apart from any sin. When applied to creatures, sanctification has two senses. The first refers to the formal declaration that something has been set apart for God. For instance, the various pieces of equipment used in the tabernacle and temple were consecrated—set apart for specific use by God. Likewise, the priests were consecrated for service to God. When people come to faith in Christ, they are sanctified—they are formally designated as belonging to God. They are a holy people (1 Peter 2:9). Even the Corinthian church, which had members participating in all sorts of ungodly behavior, could be referred to as a group of “saints” (1 Corinthians 1:2) because they were children of God through faith in Christ. This is often called “positional sanctification.”

There is a second sense in which sanctification applies to believers. When they initially come to faith and are set apart for God, their actions may not be much different from their actions before. They have been formally (positionally) sanctified, but now they need to be practically sanctified—that is, they need to start living in a way that is set apart to God; they need to practice holiness. As believers grow in their relationship with the Lord, their behavior should change to be more conformed to what God desires—they will become more and more sanctified. This is often called “progressive sanctification.”

Using these two senses of the word sanctified, it is fitting to say that all believers are sanctified, but they also need to increasingly be more sanctified. They are holy, but they need to increase in holiness. They are saints, but they need to live like saints. The question regarding entire sanctification is, can any believer become fully sanctified in the practical sense? Can a believer reach a point in this life where he is so in fellowship with God and so in tune with the Holy Spirit that he no longer commits sin?

Those who hold to the doctrine of entire sanctification believe that it is indeed possible for Christians to be so sanctified in their behavior that they no longer sin. According to the concept of entire sanctification, it is possible not to sin, and some believers actually fulfill this possibility in their daily lives. Entire sanctification is then presented as an ideal that is attainable for any believer. The command to “be holy” in Matthew 5:48 is just one verse that is used as proof of this possibility. Why would God command us to do something that is impossible for us to do? Perhaps 1 John 3:6 is the most powerful proof-text: “No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.”

Those who deny the possibility of entire sanctification agree that holiness is the goal and should be the desire of every believer, but that it simply cannot be attained here on earth—sin is simply too pervasive. Interpreting 1 John 3:6, they would point out that the verb sins is in the present tense and indicates an ongoing, habitual pattern of unrepentant sin. They would also point out that the epistle of 1 John also speaks of Jesus being the Advocate for sinning believers and that, if we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves (1 John 2:1; 1:8).

In the final analysis, there is nothing in Scripture that teaches that believers will become perfect in this life. Entire sanctification will take place when we reach heaven, but not until. The expectation is that believers on earth will continue to sin and need to be cleansed (1 John 1:9). It is realistic to expect that Christians will not live in conscious sinful rebellion against God, but sin is too pervasive to ever escape its contaminations in this life. The goal is that, even though sin is present, it should not dominate us. “Count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace” (Romans 6:11–14). At any given moment, a believer may be cooperating with the Holy Spirit’s leading rather than actively rebelling against it, but, even in our best moments, we have not reached sinless perfection.

The commands of God and the demands of Scripture upon our lives are encompassing; it strains credulity for any believer to claim that he is living in perfect obedience to all that God has said. Jesus said that the greatest commandment is “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind” (Matthew 22:37) and that the second is similar: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:38). It is one thing for a believer to say that there is no known area of rebellion against God in his or her life, but it is quite another to say that he or she loves God wholly and perfectly. It is one thing to say that a believer does not harbor any hatred for his neighbor, but quite another to assert that the believer loves his neighbors the way he loves himself. First Thessalonians 1:17 commands believers to “pray without ceasing.” A believer may have a robust prayer life, but can any believer in all honesty claim to fully obey this command? Most believers find that, when they are convicted of one area of sin and repent of it, they will then become aware of another area that they may not have been aware of before. If a Christian has come to the place where he simply cannot identify any areas of sinfulness in his own life, he should not assume he has attained entire sanctification. Rather, he would be well advised to ask his spouse or other close friends or relatives for their perspective. He might be surprised at how blinded he has become to areas of sinfulness in his own life that are readily evident to others.

https://www.gotquestions.org/entire-sanctification.html

1 thess. 4:1-8

1 Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God;

 ² for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

³ For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 

⁴ that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 

⁵ not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 

⁶ that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. 

⁷ For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. 

⁸ Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

1 Thess. 5:23-24

23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 

²⁴ He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.

[JTC]

I am so happy I never learned any of this stuff. I learned that we are to live by obeying God. Don't worry about theological theories. I was simply taught that I wasn't supposed to commit sins. I actually see that my being raised like this serves me better as an adult than knowing all the theories many of you argue about.

I expect all of us will always commit some sins. But we should all commit less & less as we grow closer to God. This is what our lives should be. I believe this is the way we will get to be in heaven.

[steve morrow]

OBEYING  GOD

JOHN 14:14  if you shall ask anything in  MY  NAME  I will do it 

JOHN 15:5  I am the vine you are the branches --HE  THAT  ABIDETH  IN  ME-- and I in him the same bringeth forth much fruit for without  ME  --YOU  CAN  DO  NOTHING--

1 JOHN 5:14  and this is the confidence that we have in  HIM  that --THAT  IF  WE  ASK-- anything according to  HIS  will  HE  heareth us 

--5:15-- and if we know that  HE  hear us whatsoever we ask we know that we have the petitions that we desired of  HIM

 

ROMANS 2:14  for when the gentiles which have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law these having not the law are a law unto  themselves 

 

PROVERBS 28:9  HE  THAT  TURNETH AWAY  HIS  EAR  FROM  HEARING  THE  LAW  EVEN  HIS  PRAYER  SHALL  BE  ABOMINATION

 

2 THESSALONIANS 2:9  EVEN  HIM  WHOSE  COMING  IS  --AFTER  THE  WORKING  OF  SATAN-- WITH  ALL  POWER  AND  SIGNS  AND  LYING  WONDERS 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST