Why good men go to hell?

[enoob57]

There are many here that navigate by what their church teaches them instead of hard exegetical work of rightly dividing the Scriptures... when clearly God says this to all of us
John 12:48-50

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
KJV
If this does not spur us on to the study of proper hermeneutics of written material  what would?

[DeighAnn]

And once AGAIN the details aka the letter,  get in the way of the TRUTH.

Like pre Christ
Break one law broke IT ALL
  

BUT just not really the SPIRIT of the Truth being given us. 
YES, we all have sinned and fallen short BUT many repent and ask forgiveness and have that sin WASHED CLEAN. 

WHEN sin is forgiven SOME SEE themselves again as a RIGHTEOUS person, no longer  sinner.  Those who are BLESSED enough to SEE this understand THE SPIRIT OF THE WORD.  They may boldly go into the Holy of Holies

 THEN

There are those who miss the mark BECAUSE of the letter of the Word.  They always see themselves and others as sinners BECAUSE OF THE VERY VERSES QUOTED.  THey are not able to LIVE in the spirit of truth because of THE LETTER keeps it FROM them.  

The Spirit leads and guides us PAST THE INDIVIDUAL verses and brings "the BIG PICTURE Gods Plan" into focus for us.  It is only then that real truth CAN BE SEEN.  
 

[Your closest friendnt]

12 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

You stated: " When we present the Gospel we should include what we know that God will saved only those he plans to Save and this is for clarity reasons" 

Not really neccessary to be that specific,  I usually just encourage everyone to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ". However,  if predestination is explained to someone and they reject it, they are trusting in their own plan of salvation,  not God's. Their will, not God's. 

  My friend,  the HOPE is that God will save us in His mercy,  "not according to our works" (Titus 3:5).

Even though we lost our perfect relationship with Him in the garden, God still had mercy upon many millions and chose a people for Himself to dwell with Him into eternity future. 

Right now God commands every believer to preach His Word, and He will apply His word to the hearts of His chosen. That is our role, which is quite amazing that God would even include us in His plan to save wretched sinners. 

Why should we question God's will...His Sovereignty? Are we not the clay in the hands of the Potter ( Romans 9)?

 

I did not say anything like that and I strongly oppose your above statement.

It is you who said that "Jesus Christ died only for those he plans to saved",

Which I have opposed as the disciples have also opposed it. 

PS

I have edit my relevant post as it came out the wrong way : sorry about making you thing that agree with you in this matter. I strongly oppose it as untruthful. 

[Your closest friendnt]

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Nice.  I agree that teaching "predestined no hope" is not following how God told us to go forth.  

YES, many are called, the  "whomsoever would"

SALVATION opened to all.   

Every sin repented of washed in the saving Blood

Teaching as God commands us to teach, not by the letter but by the Spirit. 


I believe the deeper truths should remain deep until one is led to dig in that direction, and that come after the milk.  But you know Satan,  anything to cause confusion and doubt,  stumbling blocks for the lambs.     



 

Thank for your post, it wonderful. 

I keep looking to find something in the disciples of Jesus Christ that can support your statement in the third paragraph of your post, as follows.  

"Every sin repented of washed in the saving blood"

I want to inquire is this "something taught by the disciples"? 

As I do not find any scriptures for that. 

Please look into that and get back to me.

Thank you. 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Thank for your post, it wonderful. 

I keep looking to find something in the disciples of Jesus Christ that can support your statement in the third paragraph of your post, as follows.  

"Every sin repented of washed in the saving blood"

I want to inquire is this "something taught by the disciples"? 

As I do not find any scriptures for that. 

Please look into that and get back to me.

Thank you. 

Here are a couple:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.




I would go with this, but it posted already 

John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.



Not the blood spoken of but this one is pretty clear in the message, and beautiful to boot!!!

Psalm 51:1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

Psalm 51:2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

Psalm 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

Psalm 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Psalm 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

Psalm 51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

Psalm 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.

Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Psalm 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy Spirit from me.

Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Psalm 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

Psalm 51:14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

Psalm 51:15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.

Psalm 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Psalm 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.

Psalm 51:19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.



If you want more let me know, I 'd be happy to gather them.  
 

[Your closest friendnt]

 NEphesians 1:4

For he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world that we may be holy and unblemished in his sight in love.

Ephesians 4:14

. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ. 11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

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Paul who was borned and raised under the Law of Moses is making the distinction between the system in the law of Moses which sanctified the people and made them Holy, is not what God had proposed to himself from the very beginning to be the way to present our selves to the Lord. 

Paul explains that God was waiting for the time of Jesus Christ death and resurrection to sanctify us and make us blameless before him in his Son Jesus Christ. 

God made that possible through the Adoption through Jesus Christ. 

And the Adoption through the Messiah Jesus Christ has been established, God has done away with sanctification through the Law.  

Further Paul is telling his audience 

(and that includes every one throughout the times)

that we are the priviledge ones because we live during the times that the Grace of God it is offered to people. 

We are the beneficiaries of the Inheritance of God by our Adoption as sons in Jesus Christ in our time.  

Paul reminded us that the people in the past before the Cross of Jesus Christ had understood that this grace would be manifested in the future in due time, but some of them understood that the change will come in due time, but not all of them understood how the  change will happen and could not quite comprehend how it will happen. 

The Adoption as sons in Jesus Christ it includes something the Law could not give and this is the LIFE OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIS. 

that's why we can represent our selves to God and be in his presence and live and not die.

We are in God now, we receive of his Spirit, we can worship him in Spirit and in truth, in Jesus Christ, we are the truth worshipers.

We are in his presence now and if we are in his presence now the more we will be in his presence  and be with him after we will die.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

I put this post together very specially for you, so not one will upset you or put on fire your righteous indignation with some comments that makes people reading their post in disbelief, in other words, they make us pull our hair when we read some posts, we are getting very upset.

[Frits]

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

And once AGAIN the details aka the letter,  get in the way of the TRUTH.

Like pre Christ
Break one law broke IT ALL
  

BUT just not really the SPIRIT of the Truth being given us. 
YES, we all have sinned and fallen short BUT many repent and ask forgiveness and have that sin WASHED CLEAN. 

WHEN sin is forgiven SOME SEE themselves again as a RIGHTEOUS person, no longer  sinner.  Those who are BLESSED enough to SEE this understand THE SPIRIT OF THE WORD.  They may boldly go into the Holy of Holies

 THEN

There are those who miss the mark BECAUSE of the letter of the Word.  They always see themselves and others as sinners BECAUSE OF THE VERY VERSES QUOTED.  THey are not able to LIVE in the spirit of truth because of THE LETTER keeps it FROM them.  

The Spirit leads and guides us PAST THE INDIVIDUAL verses and brings "the BIG PICTURE Gods Plan" into focus for us.  It is only then that real truth CAN BE SEEN.  
 

Sister, you understand the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Your love for God has led Him to reveal this truth to you.

Blessed be the exalted Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whose grace we have been cleansed and received eternal life.
Hallelujah!

May the blessings of the Lord Jesus be upon you forever.

[Frits]

14 hours ago, Alive said:

Brother--I suggest that you do some research into what the 'Mercy Seat' was all about and consider carefully what is conveyed in the following scriptures for us by God:

Rom. 3:21 (NAS95S)   But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, ²² even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; ²³ for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, ²⁴ being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; ²⁵ whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; ²⁶ for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Now--if you think that you are sinless, then this will be of no use to you.

1John 1:5 (NAS95S)    This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. ⁶ If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; ⁷ but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. ⁸ If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. ⁹ If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. ¹⁰ If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

John and the Holy Spirit is communicating to the redeemed saints of the Most High God.

Brother Alive,

The Biblical texts 1Jh.1 and Rm.3 have been mentioned before.
I will therefore discuss it in detail shortly.

I am a grandpa with my own business, which means that my reaction sometimes takes a while.
But everything will be fine.

May God bless you.

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Frits said:

Sister, you understand the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Your love for God has led Him to reveal this truth to you.

Blessed be the exalted Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whose grace we have been cleansed and received eternal life.
Hallelujah!

May the blessings of the Lord Jesus be upon you forever.

All glory to God, we are truly blessed with all He has given us. 

Give and it shall be given, like all the rest of His promises are truths we live by.  I have seen and felt this in my life over and over and it humbles me every time, not to mention the great joy and feelings of His love it brings.  Yes, to be captured of the Lord is a life most wonderful.  

We need to plant the seeds of His truth so that they may receive growth from God. The rains are a coming, looking forward to that latter rain.   We can find ourselves so lost and far away sometimes when we only want to draw nearer and sometimes it may only take a few words to bring us back to our knees and back on the road to understanding.  Found myself there many a time and haven given thanks to the Lord for the one who he sent to help me.  Being made one in Christ when one part is hurting we all are.   

Gods Will be done. 

Bless you and all your family brother, for ever and ever.  

God, how I love God