Why good men go to hell?

[johnthebaptist]

2 minutes ago, David1701 said:

<sigh>

We need to stick to what the Bible says, not indulge in fruitless speculation.

I think constant prayer (1 Thessalonians 5:17) is appropriate.

[David1701]

31 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I think constant prayer (1 Thessalonians 5:17) is appropriate.

Yes, of course; but not only constant prayer.  We need to read and believe what the word of God says, about all matters.  If you only rely upon prayer, but neglect Bible reading, then you will be ignorant and likely to be deceived.

[johnthebaptist]

5 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Yes, of course; but not only constant prayer.  We need to read and believe what the word of God says, about all matters.  If you only rely upon prayer, but neglect Bible reading, then you will be ignorant and likely to be deceived.

The Bible tells us a lot about God, true, but what we are seeking, I believe, is a relationship with God.

[David1701]

34 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

The Bible tells us a lot about God, true, but what we are seeking, I believe, is a relationship with God.

It's not a question of "either ... or"; if you have a living relationship with the Lord, then you will want to read his word - regularly.

[johnthebaptist]

2 minutes ago, David1701 said:

It's not a question of "either ... or"; if you have a living relationship with the Lord, then you will want to read his word - regularly.

The purpose of the Bible is to introduce us to the Lord.

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Starise said:

If you want to expound more on it feel free.

Yes I think they had the knowledge it would be a singular seed, a man. How much they knew exactly is probably debatable. Many of them likely didn't see integration of the Gentiles into it , even though God told Abram  his seed would bless the entire earth that might not have completely registered with all the Jews. 

The manner in which these events transpired would not have been imagined by even the most studied. That they themselves would kill their own messiah could not have been high on their guess list. To look for a king here on this earth would have been the most obvious choice. To this day many most of them are STILL looking for this. Jesus was a good person but not their messiah. Only later will they realize it.

In much the same way some people think they have the end times all figured out, many Jews thought they had this all figured out. Jesus as our messiah??? No way.

The stone the builders rejected has become the corner stone.

 

I am not sure what is your message here. Why you talk about the end times, what is it about the end times, here we talk about history and simple matters, to incorporate the context of the previous verses and the following ones in a chapter, and not to just pick one verse and make it say something that does not say it.

I have learn not to do that from parents who do not have English as their first language.  

But here is the Irony the were fluent in other languages and they were lawyers, members of the Greek judicial system.

Growing in a Judge home it teach me how to be a critical reader and do my own study.

Abraham was a believer in God, all his life, and he was guided by the Lord for quite some time. 

The Lord counted Abram righteous person by degree, not because he was unrighteous and he wanted to make him righteous, no is not for that.

He loved Abram that's why. And he wanted him to give him rest and he had a propose for him, he had plants to make him a Patriarch for the people he had propose to be their God.

He love him because inspite of how he had stretch him all these years waiting for the blessing of the Lord on Sarah so he can have a heir with her, Abram was still faithful to him, Abram let the Lord know how he was feeling and he said to him, in  Genesis 15:4,5

Why you have not given me a heir?

Abram believe that the Lord can give him a heir, and he was waiting on him, and he would rather go childless than ask the help from someone else.  

He only wanted the Lord to help him. 

You do not know me and why you take the liberty to say things about my person, using tactics that do not belong hear, diminishing a person on account of not being born on an English speaking country.

Those comments of yours were prejudice to not just me but to any one whose English is not their first language. 

It is suggested that you could not vote for a presidential candidate no matter what his party is because of the origins of his/her viseprecident. 

Next time if you build on a erroneous exegesis on an important matter, I will still call it out.

 your comments seems to reflect that your ego was wounted, and why, is it offensive to point out something in your post , in the same way you have done it to others? 

Are you superior to others because of language, don't you know that they are superior to you in their language, but they do not point it out as a means to diminish someone's else message in a post. What an insult against basic rights of expression within the acceptable limits, which you did not respect and cross the line.

Hope you realize it for your self, and do something about that. 

This is the first time and counting...

[David1701]

18 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

The purpose of the Bible is to introduce us to the Lord.

The Bible has many more purposes than that.  Read it and you will find out what they are.

Edited January 8, 2021 by David1701

[Starise]

20 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I am not sure what is your message here. Why you talk about the end times, what is it about the end times, here we talk about history and simple matters, to incorporate the context of the previous verses and the following ones in a chapter, and not to just pick one verse and make it say something that does not say it.

I have learn not to do that from parents who do not have English as their first language.  

But here is the Irony the were fluent in other languages and they were lawyers, members of the Greek judicial system.

Growing in a Judge home it teach me how to be a critical reader and do my own study.

Abraham was a believer in God, all his life, and he was guided by the Lord for quite some time. 

The Lord counted Abram righteous person by degree, not because he was unrighteous and he wanted to make him righteous, no is not for that.

He loved Abram that's why. And he wanted him to give him rest and he had a propose for him, he had plants to make him a Patriarch for the people he had propose to be their God.

He love him because inspite of how he had stretch him all these years waiting for the blessing of the Lord on Sarah so he can have a heir with her, Abram was still faithful to him, Abram let the Lord know how he was feeling and he said to him, in  Genesis 15:4,5

Why you have not given me a heir?

Abram believe that the Lord can give him a heir, and he was waiting on him, and he would rather go childless than ask the help from someone else.  

He only wanted the Lord to help him. 

You do not know me and why you take the liberty to say things about my person, using tactics that do not belong hear, diminishing a person on account of not being born on an English speaking country.

Those comments of yours were prejudice to not just me but to any one whose English is not their first language. 

It is suggested that you could not vote for a presidential candidate no matter what his party is because of the origins of his/her viseprecident. 

Next time if you build on a erroneous exegesis on an important matter, I will still call it out.

 your comments seems to reflect that your ego was wounted, and why, is it offensive to point out something in your post , in the same way you have done it to others? 

Are you superior to others because of language, don't you know that they are superior to you in their language, but they do not point it out as a means to diminish someone's else message in a post. What an insult against basic rights of expression within the acceptable limits, which you did not respect and cross the line.

Hope you realize it for your self, and do something about that. 

This is the first time and counting...

I feel as if you are attempting to insult me but I can't for the life of me figure out why??

Have a nice day.

[johnthebaptist]

25 minutes ago, David1701 said:

The Bible has many more purposes than that.  Read it and you will find out what they are.

But you don't develop a relationship with the Bible. You develop a relationship with the Lord. 

[johnthebaptist]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Who is the "we"? Who is the "us"? 

If your answer is "Christians," then you're talking about folks who are already saved from sin. If the answer is "Anyone" or "All humans" then an over-generalization is being made in which the unregenerate and regenerate are being grouped together or conflated. If the answer is  "Nonbelievers" then a self-contradictory position is being asserted because people who do not believe in God do not repent to a god they don't believe exists. 

Non-believers are not believers. 

Non-believers do not repent.

Believers are already saved. 

Believers repent. They repent because they know to do so, they have something from which to repent and they have someone to Whom they know they need to repent and to Whom they can repent - and do so with meaning and effect.  

Jesus says we've all sinned.