What is the Mark on The Hand?

[Scott Free]

3 minutes ago, suzan344 said:

I have had several insights over the years about both marks.  The forehead mark to me means they serve satan through their thoughts which turn into deeds, as you say.  But the hand mark got me more concerned.  Then it came to me these are the people who go out and actually actively work against God.  The difference between the marks is the forehead mark is easier to get.  It just means you are going along with satan's ideas and that in turn is turning you from God.

But the mark on the hand is far more instrumental to satan.  It means you actively are working for him, on purpose.

I think the forehead mark people just fall into their set of circumstances and accept it, evil and all, but the hand marked people choose their path.  They purposefully work to support satan's plans.

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My next big question is what happens to them after they receive this mark (either one).

So far, I get they are cursed by God, but what does that mean spiritually?

What I came up with in prayer, from God, is they are banned from his presence permanently.  If that makes sense.  So does this mean their prayers don't get answered, for example?  Yes.

That they can't get forgiveness for sins?  Yes.

Wow.  All I can say.

The mark goes on the hand and forehead because these areas are always exposed and readily available for scanning and verification. The calculating power referred to with the number suggest a computer network service since it goes further in referencing instantaneous global communication and its link to a global unified banking system. The Beast is going to cleanse the Earth of all "bigoted people who hold onto the barbaric beliefs of the past". Not submitting will be considered treason to world unification. The ability to quickly and easily segregate dissenters is necessary. But first before such a universal system can be installed the current economic order must be disposed of.

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, Scott Free said:

The mark goes on the hand and forehead because these areas are always exposed and readily available for scanning and verification. The calculating power referred to with the number suggest a computer network service since it goes further in referencing instantaneous global communication and its link to a global unified banking system. The Beast is going to cleanse the Earth of all "bigoted people who hold onto the barbaric beliefs of the past". Not submitting will be considered treason to world unification. The ability to quickly and easily segregate dissenters is necessary. But first before such a universal system can be installed the current economic order must be disposed of.

Well, you got to start somewhere. Wouldn't you think monitoring, demonetizing, suspending and deleting of Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and many others [all conservatives, religious (Christian only) and gun-Second Amendment related] would be a good start? Their TOS are written in such a way that it's at their political discretion. 

Yeah I know, it's their companies and they should be able to do as they please. But with one accord they are acting together at the exact time, eliminating conservative conversation, communications and viewpoints. What alternative is available that isn't under their growing thumb ?  

[Scott Free]

6 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Well, you got to start somewhere. Wouldn't you think monitoring, demonetizing, suspending and deleting of Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and many others [all conservatives, religious (Christian only) and gun-Second Amendment related] would be a good start? Their TOS are written in such a way that it's at their political discretion. 

Yeah I know, it's their companies and they should be able to do as they please. But with one accord they are acting together at the exact time, eliminating conservative conversation, communications and viewpoints. What alternative is available that isn't under their growing thumb ?  

That is a good point. The system is ready. It just needs an environment to implement it on a global uniform centralized level. What we see now is it trying to press us out of the way. A free people can not be brought back to submission. 

[suzan344]

6 hours ago, Scott Free said:

The mark goes on the hand and forehead because these areas are always exposed and readily available for scanning and verification. The calculating power referred to with the number suggest a computer network service since it goes further in referencing instantaneous global communication and its link to a global unified banking system. The Beast is going to cleanse the Earth of all "bigoted people who hold onto the barbaric beliefs of the past". Not submitting will be considered treason to world unification. The ability to quickly and easily segregate dissenters is necessary. But first before such a universal system can be installed the current economic order must be disposed of.

I thought they were just going to kill the Christians.

Anyway, I feel what is going on on earth, that we can witness, like the chip information, is merely a reflection of what is going on in the spiritual.

But this mark seems to have more spiritual weight, in my view, that physical.  I mean it means more to God than it does to mankind.

I think satan would love to chip us like cattle, but he does things like that in order to place fear in the hearts of men.  I mean that is the only power he has, fear.

The chip or bar code tattoo won't keep you from being saved by God's grace.  But the mark will.

[Scott Free]

1 hour ago, suzan344 said:

I thought they were just going to kill the Christians.

Anyway, I feel what is going on on earth, that we can witness, like the chip information, is merely a reflection of what is going on in the spiritual.

But this mark seems to have more spiritual weight, in my view, that physical.  I mean it means more to God than it does to mankind.

I think satan would love to chip us like cattle, but he does things like that in order to place fear in the hearts of men.  I mean that is the only power he has, fear.

The chip or bar code tattoo won't keep you from being saved by God's grace.  But the mark will.

The mark should be a form of biometric data storage for palm and face recognition. Chips and code tattoos are not bad by themselves. The kicker is everyone will need to bow first in obedience to gain or maintain the privilege's this new global society offers. It seems from resent events a social credit scheme will also be in effect along with a cashless system with the mark used as security access for bank accounts.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Scott Free

[suzan344]

I have put together a list.

It took some time.

The question that begs to be answered is who receives the mark?

I've given it a lot of thought and prayer and God has given me to some insights on the matter.

First off, I am choosing people who claimed to be saved by Christ, as my subjects.  That is because anyone not a Christian is already apostate and cursed with sin.

So who receives the forehead mark?

1.  Someone who commits major sins (ie. stealing, lying, doing drugs etc.) and is unrepentant (which means they refuse to confess) gets this mark.

OK.  That was an easy one.

A Christian with a secret anti-God life.

2.  Next.

This is where it gets tougher.  People here on worthy do not like to talk about ideologies.  So I looked for the very most anti-God one there is and I'd say it was communism.

People, at least I do, think socialism is not that far behind.  It is a given Marxism is on that list.

OK.  Not so tough.  But, here is the kicker, or issue, who gets to decide what is or isn't communism in disguise?

I mean no Christian would ever go around and teach straight out Nazism, for example or teach Karl Marx.  But what if they have, but did not understand that?   Some people think the common core education curriculum falls into that category and those that attest to it have fallen under the Beast's spell.

Anyway, I think those people, people who teach Marxist beliefs, even if they don't realize it, or attest to such beliefs as their own, are in this 'forehead' marked group.

Perhaps there are objections to this.  I have left it therefore, open to interpretation.  Frame it how you will, but belief systems matter to God.

3.  Finally

This is the most questionable group, I mean the group that may or may not get a forehead mark.  What about those that just go along for the ride and get off on it?  I mean the ones that like the idea of socialism even if they do not attest to it verbally?  Do they get the mark?

I mean, for example, not a teacher of common core, but someone with children or someone in education generally who gets regularly exposed to common core teachings (my one example) who eventually succumbs to its allure and starts questing capitalism, the constitution and certain liberties?  Do they receive such a mark.  I feel they do.  It gets to a tipping point eventually with them and God. 

It is like a slow burn receiving the mark this way, but eventually, like the last kid at a Birthday party to jump into the pool with everyone else, eventually, they jump.  Not because they necessary like too but because they need to feel connected to the group structure.  They comply.  Not really Christian material are they, huh?

 

Edited January 12, 2021 by suzan344

[missmuffet]

On 1/6/2021 at 4:52 PM, suzan344 said:

I have prayed long and hard on what the phrase, "mark on the hand", means from Revelations 13:16.

Rev. 13:16 KJB

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:" 

I, over time, had to let go of many ideas of what this particular mark was. 

It did not feel like it was a chip in the hand.  It did not seem related to a vaccine shot.  It did not feel like a bar code or tattoo.  But I did research each of those ideas, but so far, zip.  They go no where.

I always felt is was a spiritual designation as well.  But no evidence exist of what exactly it is.  So it is open to interpretation and therefore remains a mystery.

Also, there have been many voices on this topic and each typically tries to incorporate some aspect of buying or selling into the equation.

I finally had to let that part of the scripture from Rev. 13:17, go as well.  Perhaps, I finally settled on, this mark has nothing to do with buying or selling, not because I say so, but because I can't find a way to incoporate it into any ideas we have, logically.  I mean no one is dying or being stopped from buying or selling right now.  Though you can see that might actually occur, but it hasn't.  Not in relation to any of the mark ideas I just mentioned (chip, vaccine, bar code/tattoo).

If that is so, that buying and selling are not part of this mark's features, then what now is it exactly?

That brought me full circle back to a spiritual mark designating someone has received for served Satan.

In other words, my final verdict is people who have a mark of the beast on their right hand, actually service to Satan.   They work for him, body and soul.

What do you think?

Does the term "on the right hand" mean 'works for satan'?

 

 

We do not know exactly what the MOB is. The book of Revelation tells us that the Antichrist will want everyone to have this mark. It will not be implemented until the 7 year tribulation. If you are a genuine born again believer you will not experience the MOB. 

[Charlie744]

This is a great topic and there are no shortage of interesting comments; some focusing on the spiritual and others more physical - chips, other methods of identification and control measures.

My initial ATTEMPT is to try and identify the specific pieces in this verse (try and break down the individual components and then hopefully put it all together). They might be:

1) Just who is this beast?

2) What might the verse mean by "free and bond, rich or poor....etc."?

3) Mark on the hand and forehead?

IF I have identified these correctly, then what might be the answers?

I believe this "beast" is the same entity identified in Daniel 7. This is the 4th kingdom which can not be compared to any animal on earth. It is a composite of all types of animals - leopards, tigers and bears, etc., and all kingdoms on earth. I do not believe God is interested in man's drawing of his legal boundaries or property lines. Man, whether he is physically in Germany, the US or China is not important or relevant to Him and the end time. This beast represents all mankind and its practices - militarily, economically, religiously, etc. We are ALL completely involved in the same WORLDLY exercise that more and more excludes God. This "beast" surfaced after Alexander and began as pagan Rome but has continued to grow and spread their worldly ways for the past 2,000 years. Names of countries, people and legal boundary lines are meaningless..... we are ALL quite wordly.

Consequently, this "beast"is the same as in Daniel 7... which essentially means it all what the world has morphed into regardless of language, religion, economics and physical location on the planet. 

2) Free or bond, rich or poor.... etc. Once again, these terms are putting all of this together. An individual's wealth, position, location, hierarchy, etc., are of no importance. This brings me to MY understanding of the parable of the 10 virgins. To me, this certainly does not mean the "buying and selling" process. It means at that time we will not have any time to acquire the Spirit needed to be saved -  no second chances, and we can not obtain salvation with or through anyone - our choice of accepting Jesus as our Saviour has been made. Consequently, these terms in Revelation do not speak to a physical "buying and selling" as many contend, but regardless of our earthly position or situation, this "mark" speaks to our ability to be saved and not purchase goods or services.

3) Mark on hand or forehead (for me) does not mean a physical mark on either of the two places on man. I believe this is a spiritual marking. Going back to the identity of the "beast". It is my opinion this beast began as pagan Rome and as mentioned in Daniel there arose OUT OF THIS BEAST 10 horns AND THEN another "little horn". This little horn would gain power over the 10 and dispose of 3 of the 10. This same little horn in my opinion was the conversion of pagan Rome to papal Rome with the Papacy as the "little horn". This organization or power would definitely meet the prophecies in Daniel 11 - essentially he would not only take on God but claim to be God on earth. This power would corrupt the Word of God over the next 2,000 years. And one of their important beliefs is that it is NOT enough to be saved by faith alone but one must have WORKS. Therefore, for those who believe in "faith alone" they would have their "mark" on /  in their foreheads (their spiritual beliefs). Should they follow the "beast" practices and beliefs which require faith AND works, they would be symbolically represented with a mark on their hands and forehead.

Just some quick thoughts and look forward to anyone's response, Charlie

 

 

[Gary Loger]

On 1/6/2021 at 6:52 PM, suzan344 said:

In other words, my final verdict is people who have a mark of the beast on their right hand, actually service to Satan.   They work for him, body and soul.

What do you think?

Does the term "on the right hand" mean 'works for satan'?

 

 

That's exactly what it means. It's a spiritual mark. It's not meant to be physically seen. 

[Mystic_Pizza]

I personally think it is some sort of actual, identifying 'mark' that will either be...applied on, or in, like a chip or something of some sort. I say that because of the whole 'no man can buy or sell without the mark or the number of his name (?)'....

Because how has anyone ever, anywhere (as a whole) 'bought or sold' anything at all without some sort of system of...cash, payment, barter, etc.? There has always been some sort of exchange, as it were- my own thoughts on it, and again, these are MY thoughts- is that we can look at this, and look at this, and look at it some more- and come up with as many ideas as there are people looking, no two the same, and on it goes. Or...we can look at it and take it, simply,  at face value and understand that it means pretty much what it says it means- that without this particular mark, or the number of the beast's name, people will be unable to buy, sell, or pretty much navigate around in society at all. And to take this number or name will identify a person as having given allegiance to the antichrist, not only here in this life but in the afterlife as well, and ending a person's chance of salvation. I believe it will be a knowledgeable choice that is made, but I don't think it's something that isn't....real, and physically tangible- sort of like our credit cards, etc.- just because we don't completely understand how this would be implemented, doesn't mean that it couldn't go down that way- sort of like..the Nephilim, I sure don't get that one at all, but just because I don't understand it sure doesn't mean it isn't the way things were, lol. It just means...I can't see the big picture, and I can't understand the way that I wish I could...which causes faith to come into play. Sorta the same deal here- we come up with various things that make 'sense' to us, because it's sort of a...comfort thing, we want to understand- we're uncomfortable when we don't- therefore, we constantly try to come up with things that sort of 'jibe' with what we think- hey, I'm just as guilty as the next person, lol~

It would seem that our biggest problem, is not knowing exactly what sort of 'form' this mark is going to take- microchip, tattoo-type, who knows- it would seem to be an identifying system, a total control system where everyone- EVERYone, is accounted for ('all people)-

Rev. 13, 16-18

  It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,  so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.

Sometimes, the answer is much simpler than we think, and sometimes we're unable to see it because of that. I'm not saying that this is one of those times, but it could be. But that's just me, lol.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Mystic_Pizza