CAN YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION IF YOU DON’T ‘Hold Firmly’?

[Sower]

"I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that
he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."
2 Timothy 1:12

My understanding has always been,
It is not me holding on to God,
it's God holding on to me.

 "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” John 10:28-30

[Waggles]

11 minutes ago, Sower said:

"I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that
he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."
2 Timothy 1:12

My understanding has always been,
It is not me holding on to God,
it's God holding on to me.

 "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” John 10:28-30

Yes we all know of the power, grace and desire of God for his churches BUT in a marriage it takes two to be faithful; and the sad truth is that many Christians divorce their husband - or rather break off the betrothment to their intended bridegroom. 

God is ever faithful, but people are often weak and fickle; and go back into the world. Is not being destroyed by pornography as big of a problem for Christians as for worldly people??

Edited May 4, 2021 by Waggles

[Waggles]

2Tim 2:11  Faithful the saying: for if we died together, we shall also live together: 
2:12  if we endure, we shall also reign together: if we shall deny him, he also shall deny us; 
2:13  if we are faithless, he abides faithful; for he cannot deny himself. 

Here we have the teaching that God is faithful even when we are not - praise God, but verse 12 referring to saints and not to unsaved worldly people clearly instructs us that if disciples end up denying Christ then we too will in the end be denied by Jesus.

And there are plenty of scriptures in the gospels and the epistles and Revelation that uphold this teaching. 

Not everybody who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of Heaven - again Jesus is addressing disciples not unsaved worldly people. 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Waggles

[Sower]

Just now, Waggles said:

Yes we all know of the power, grace and desire of God for his churches BUT in a marriage it takes two to be faithful; and the sad truth is that many Christians divorce their husband - or rather break off the betrothment to their intended bridegroom. 

God is ever faithful, but people are often weak and fickle; and go back into the world. Is not being destroyed by pornography as big of a problem for Christians as for worldly people??

Yes, that can happen in a marriage.
I have earthly parents, and (if) I came to hate them,  I could totally disown them, change my name, and move to the other side of the world.
But they would still always be my mother and father.

And as a child, with a Father, who happens to be God,
He will always be my Father.
He will never leave me (for any reason)
He will never forsake me.
God is light. He cannot lie.
His promises are true.
All of them.

[Waggles]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

He will never leave me (for any reason)

So? But people, disciples, believers leave God. 

The scriptures warn us multiple times - a Christian must endure to the end. 

You must continue to love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and continue on to serve the gospel. Many fail and give up. 

Why does Paul warn us not to quench the Spirit if this was not a salvation issue??

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, Waggles said:

So? But people, disciples, believers leave God. 

The scriptures warn us multiple times - a Christian must endure to the end. 

You must continue to love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and continue on to serve the gospel. Many fail and give up. 

Why does Paul warn us not to quench the Spirit if this was not a salvation issue??

There is just too much said in the NT - and the OT regarding this issue. And for those who might say the OT doesn't count the same as the NT.... well, that isn't so. On both sides of the Cross do we find individuals who have lost their faith - there will be no difference in their end result ....

In the NT we do have Paul writing about keeping the faith, we have a few parables speaking about keeping the oil or not losing our salvation due to the things of this world. Also, Jesus Himself said that "it would have been better for Judas if he had not been born......". Now this comment has more than one meaning / message, but Judas was a follower for much of His ministry and made a decision to leave Jesus.

We are not to "grieve" the Holy Spirit..... He is always there for us but we do have the choice to accept or reject at ANY stage in our sanctification process.... this is not a "get a stamp on your left wrist" when you enter the club and it will never wear off.... 

Just my thoughts, Charlie

[Waggles]

2 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Just my thoughts, Charlie

[FrankIeCip]

Whoever can walk away, lose faith, or whatever were NEVER HIS in the first place. I’m not gonna go back and forth with this. I just encourage you to read your Bible carefully and prayerfully. Remember there are wheat(born again/regenerate) and tares (professing Christians). They say they are in Him but He was never in them. If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His. You guys are basing your salvation on works whether you realize it or not. 

[FrankIeCip]

We are His possession. Bought and paid for. We are now part of His own body. Will he cut off His toe and throw it away? We are not our own. Nothing can separate us from His love. Nothing can separate us from Him. We are His. 

[FrankIeCip]

We are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD.