Walking in the Spirit

[Guest clancy]

6 minutes ago, Paul James said:

The idea of a "sin nature" is a misnomer.  Before conversion to Christ our nature was totally sinful and followed the works of the flesh as listed in Galatians 5.  When conversion took place we received a new heart and spirit and had the righteousness of Christ bestowed as a free gift from God.  Along with that we have the indwelling Holy Spirit.  Therefore we started to live in the Spirit as described in Galatians 5.

But we still have our physical bodies still blighted by sin and condemned to die.  Paul called it "the flesh".   He says that those who walk in the flesh, that is, according to the demands of our physical bodies, we cannot please God.  He says that seeing that we live in the Spirit, we should walk in the Spirit.   Paul says that there is nothing good in him, that is in his flesh.   This is what people mistakenly call the sin nature.  But there is no two natures fighting for supremacy in us.  Paul never taught that.   He says that the conflict is between the Spirit and our flesh.

 

We still have the sinful nature, which is the flesh, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but out sinful nature ,is still there, as we walk with the Lord,His Spirit helps us overcome our sinful nature/ flesh.

[Justin Adams]

25 minutes ago, clancy said:

We still have the sinful nature, which is the flesh, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but out sinful nature ,is still there, as we walk with the Lord,His Spirit helps us overcome our sinful nature/ flesh.

Yes, the apostle berates himself and says, "oh wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me" etc.

[Waggles]

25 minutes ago, clancy said:

We still have the sinful nature, which is the flesh, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but out sinful nature ,is still there, as we walk with the Lord,His Spirit helps us overcome our sinful nature/ flesh.

Jude 1:20  But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 
21  keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. 

Yes praying daily in the Spirit (tongues) helps me to stay the course and to confront my wrongdoings when I do fail or backslide.

The enemy knows my sinful history as the old previous person I was and continually stirs up temptations of desire or provokes me to bad behaviours in the flesh (like getting upset and cursing). 

But when I confront myself and pray in the Spirit about what is troubling me or as to what I have wrongly done then spiritually the power of the Holy spirit cleanses me from all of this and sets sets me free from condemnation.

1John 3:18  Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth. 
19  By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; 
20  for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 

[Peterlag]

7 hours ago, OneLight said:

By telling people they cannot understand you because you are speaking above them does not show the humility that come through the new man created in a believer, but the ego of the old man, the flesh.

By reviewing only the last couple of posts you make, you do not seem to address how we must live in this flesh until we die, and that the old man, which is in the flesh, continues to live also; nor did I see where you say that we must continue to take up our cross daily in order to walk in the Spirit.

Both Colossians 3 and Galatians 5 address this.

I disagree. Paul did the same thing I'm doing. Telling folks they cannot bare him teaching them the meat because they are still on the milk. And that all most seem to understand is Jesus Christ and him crucified. It's not about my ego. I'm just telling the truth.

[OneLight]

51 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I disagree. Paul did the same thing I'm doing. Telling folks they cannot bare him teaching them the meat because they are still on the milk. And that all most seem to understand is Jesus Christ and him crucified. It's not about my ego. I'm just telling the truth.

Disagree all you want, but you sound like you are setting yourself on the same level as Paul, able to judge people on this site as Paul was able to judge the churches he ministered to.  There is a huge difference between Paul's ministry to the churches and you with this site.  First, and foremost, Paul knew them first hand, in person, for a long time before he ever wrote to them.  You have never met anyone here and have only been a member for 6 months.  You have absolutely no way of knowing who knows what nor do you know at what level anyone's maturity is. 

Sure sounds to me like you are saying that you are above many here in knowledge and wisdom of scripture.  Grant you that people are at different levels in their growth in Christ, but who are we to judge such matters about those you do not know?  Wise leaders lead by example, not by demeaning others.

[steve morrow]

RECEIVING  THE  SPIRIT

ACTS 5:32  AND  WE  ARE  HIS  WITNESSES  OF  THESE  THINGS  AND  SO  IS  ALSO  THE  HOLY  SPIRIT  WHOM  GOD  HATH  GIVEN  TO  THEM  THAT  OBEY  HIM 

 

JOHN 3:3  JESUS  answered and said unto him verily verily I say unto thee except a man be born again he ---CANNOT  SEE  THE  KINGDOM  OF  HEAVEN---

1 PETER 1:22 seeing you have purified your souls in --OBEYING  THE  TRUTH-- through the spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently

--1:23-- BEING  BORN  AGAIN  NOT  OF  CORRUPTIBLE  SEED  BUT  OF  INCORRUPTIBLE  BY  THE  WORD  OF  GOD  WHICH  LIVETH  AND  ABIDETH FOREVER

 

JOHN 3:5  JESUS  ANSWERED  VERILY  VERILY  I  SAY  UNTO  THEE  EXCEPT  A  MAN  BE  BORN  OF  WATER  AND  OF  THE  SPIRIT  HE  ---CANNOT  ENTER  INTO  THE  KINGDOM  OF  GOD---

EPHESIANS 5:26  THAT  HE  MIGHT  SANCTIFY  AND  CLEANSE  IT  WITH  THE  WASHING  OF  WATER  BY  THE  WORD 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you are spirit and they are life

1 JOHN 1:7  ---BUT  IF  WE  WALK  IN  THE  LIGHT--- as  HE  is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of --JESUS  CHRIST  HIS  SON  CLEANSETH  US  FROM  ALL  SIN

1 JOHN 5:8  and there are three that bear witness in earth --THE  SPIRIT--AND  THE  WATER--AND  THE  BLOOD--  AND  THESE  THREE  AGREE  IN  ONE 

PSALM 119:130  the entrance of thy words --GIVETH  LIGHT-- it giveth understanding unto the simple 

                               --- BUT  IF  WE  WALK  IN  THE  LIGHT---

 

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REVELATION 19:10  AND  I  FELL  AT  HIS  FEET  TO  WORSHIP  HIM  AND  HE  SAID  UNTO  ME  SEE  THOU  DO  IT  NOT  I  AM  THY  FELLOWSERVANT  AND  OF  THY  BRETHREN  THAT  HAVE  THE  TESTIMONY  OF  JESUS  --- WORSHIP  GOD  FOR  THE  TESTIMONY  OF  JESUS  IS  THE  SPIRIT  OF  PROPHECY

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LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

[popsthebuilder]

22 hours ago, steve morrow said:

IS  DISOBEDIENCE  WALKING  IN  THE  SPIRIT  

ACTS 1:1  the former treatise have I made O theophilus of all that  JESUS  began both to do and teach  --1:2-- until the the day in which  HE  was taken up after that  HE  through the holy spirit had given commandments unto the apostles whom  HE  had chosen 

JOHN 12:49  FOR  I  HAVE  NOT  SPOKEN  OF  MYSELF  BUT  --THE  FATHER--  WHICH  SENT  ME  HE  GAVE  ME  A  COMMANDMENT WHAT ---I  SHOULD  SAY  AND  WHAT  I  SHOULD  SPEAK---

--12:50  AND  I  KNOW  THAT  HIS  COMMANDMENT  IS  LIFE  EVERLASTING  --- WHATSOEVER  I  SPEAK --- THEREFORE --- EVEN  AS  THE  FATHER  SAID  UNTO  ME  SO  I  SPEAK

 

JOHN 3:35  THE  FATHER  LOVETH  THE  SON  AND  HATH  GIVEN  ALL  THINGS  INTO  HIS  HAND  

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth --THE  FLESH  PROFITETH  NOTHING-- the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life 

1 CORINTHIANS 8:5  for though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or in earth as there be gods many and lords many  --8:6-- BUT  TO  US -- there is but one --GOD  THE  FATHER--of whom are all things and we in  HIM  and one --LORD  JESUS  CHRIST-- by whom are all things and we by  HIM

 

HEBREWS 2:8  thou hast put all things in subjection under  HIS  feet for in that  HE  put all in subjection under  HIM  HE  left --NO  THING-- that is not put under  HIM  but now we see not yet all things put under  HIM

 

2 THESSALONIANS 2:8  AND  THEN  SHALL  THAT  WICKED  BE  REVEALED  WHOM  THE  LORD  SHALL  CONSUME  WITH  --THE  SPIRIT  OF  HIS  MOUTH-- AND  SHALL  DESTROY  WITH  THE  BRIGHTNESS  OF  HIS  COMING 

1 TIMOTHY 2:5  FOR  THERE  IS  ONE  GOD  AND --ONE  MEDIATOR-- BETWEEN  GOD  AND  MEN  -----THE  MAN  JESUS  CHRIST-----

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

It is quite evident that walking in the Spirit is not synonymous with being in active continual habitual sin. 

How is one an ensign if they reflect the ways of the world?

 

 

[popsthebuilder]

17 hours ago, clancy said:

We still have the sinful nature, which is the flesh, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but out sinful nature ,is still there, as we walk with the Lord,His Spirit helps us overcome our sinful nature/ flesh.

Like a sanctification process? 

Growth in faith?

 

[Not me]

It is a blessed thing that scripture itself puts forth an infallible proof of what ‘in the Spirit’ means, with the words;

‘shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh’.. 

Therefore with these words, any understanding that does not produce this fruit,  is a inaccurate or incomplete understanding of what the phrase is meant to portray...

For in the Spirit produces the fruit of not fulfilling..

The degree of the one will be the degree of the other..

Be blessed in Him, Not me

[Peterlag]

13 hours ago, OneLight said:

Disagree all you want, but you sound like you are setting yourself on the same level as Paul, able to judge people on this site as Paul was able to judge the churches he ministered to.  There is a huge difference between Paul's ministry to the churches and you with this site.  First, and foremost, Paul knew them first hand, in person, for a long time before he ever wrote to them.  You have never met anyone here and have only been a member for 6 months.  You have absolutely no way of knowing who knows what nor do you know at what level anyone's maturity is. 

Sure sounds to me like you are saying that you are above many here in knowledge and wisdom of scripture.  Grant you that people are at different levels in their growth in Christ, but who are we to judge such matters about those you do not know?  Wise leaders lead by example, not by demeaning others.

You or someone brought it up. Not me. Someone said maybe too many on here are still on the milk. I simply said hey that's an idea. Maybe what I teach is over their head since I am an advanced teacher. Now you can say I have a fat head all you want. But I'm still an advanced teacher and there are still many new thinking Christians on here.