Does water baptism precede regeneration?

[Guest clancy]

We must be baptised in the Holy Spirit, to be born again, without that, we are useless, in understanding the Bible, 

We must be baptised, then the Holy Spirit will lead us through His word.

without it, the human ,unregenerated,carnal, would not understand it..we must be reborn in the Spirit...that is my belief.

Edited February 10, 2021 by clancy

[Waggles]

1 hour ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

Explain what it means as you see it.

It means what is written - a person must be born of water baptism - death, burial and resurrection - and born of the Holy Spirit (the fire that burns up all the chaff). 

[Brother Duke]

38 minutes ago, clancy said:

We must be baptised in the Holy Spirit, to be born again, without that, we are useless, in understanding the Bible, 

We must be baptised, then the Holy Spirit will lead us through His word.

without it, the human ,unregenerated,carnal, would not understand it..we must be reborn in the Spirit...that is my belief.

Still some prophecy yet to be completed.

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them

[Regenerated-Adult]

34 minutes ago, Waggles said:

It means what is written - a person must be born of water baptism - death, burial and resurrection - and born of the Holy Spirit (the fire that burns up all the chaff). 

What does "flesh is born of the flesh" mean in the CONTEXT?

[Regenerated-Adult]

People are not born by water baptism!  

[Don19]

50 minutes ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

People are not born by water baptism!  

Correct.

Man's natural birth is under the law (Gal 4:1-5). Man's rebirth is apart from the law; it's when we receive the Holy Spirit of adoption that we're born again (or regenerated). The Spirit is life because of righteousness (Rom 8:10). We must die to the law by the body of Christ (Rom 7:1-4).

And Paul's gospel clearly tells us that a man receives the Holy Spirit by faith (Gal 3:2, Gal 3:14, Eph 1:13-14). This is also clearly seen in Acts 10, and has been the way we receive the Holy Spirit ever since.

So to be dead to the law means that there is literally nothing that can separate us from the love of God. It means that you're eternally secure. Christ has fulfilled the law on our part, and was made sin for us, and we are clothed in His righteousness.

Edited February 10, 2021 by Don19

[Guest clancy]

5 hours ago, Waggles said:

It means what is written - a person must be born of water baptism - death, burial and resurrection - and born of the Holy Spirit (the fire that burns up all the chaff). 

That doesn’t make sense to me, no offence, 

And born ofThe Holy Spirit ,( the fire that burns up all the chaff) what does that mean?

[Waggles]

2 hours ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

People are not born by water baptism!  

Correct - they are born new again or rather born from above by obedience to God's commandments to undergo water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism (with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues).

You can do it your way (self will) but I prefer to do it God's way. 

Have a nice day. 

Edited February 10, 2021 by Waggles

[Waggles]

39 minutes ago, clancy said:

That doesn’t make sense to me, no offence, 

And born ofThe Holy Spirit ,( the fire that burns up all the chaff) what does that mean?

Matthew 3:11  “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 
12  His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.” 

[Waggles]

3 hours ago, Josheb said:

Does anyone here know someone who has never been born of flesh becoming born of the Spirit? If so do please explain to me how a human who has never been born can be born anew. 

That is precisely why Jesus is NOT referring to being born humanly in order to be born anew again.

He was responding to Nicodemus' question "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" Jesus is admonishing Nicodemus for being a leader of Israel but being a spiritual ignoramus;

John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 

Here Jesus is telling Nicodemus that natural birth is of the flesh (Nicodemus' mindset) BUT to enter the kingdom of God requires birth by water (baptism) and holy Spirit (baptism). 

Romans 6:3  Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 
4  We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. 

Edited February 10, 2021 by Waggles