Does water baptism precede regeneration?

[Charlie744]

15 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

Then water baptism has no bearing on ones eternal salvation. Which means it is not required to be saved.

 

You cant have it both ways.

With all due respect @Waggles I don't see Jesus telling us that.... He was quite clear in His command to be "born again" in the Holy Spirit..... and be "baptized" in the Holy Spirit........ He did not tell us to be also baptized in water......... 

Just my thoughts, Charlie

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

 

Ahh. Charlie for pope. All in favor, let's grab him and throw him in the river, pond, baptismal font, car wash, whatever will stop him for a bit.

[Eternally Gratefull]

5 hours ago, clancy said:

I am quoting scripture....who ever the Father gives to Jesus he will never lose one of them....how that equates to OSAS....please explain?

 

OSAS....what does that mean even?

OSAS is a term I guess used by those who support calvinist tulip. Since it does this. Alot of people who hate calvinism hate this term. Because they think like Calvinism it is a false term.

 

I personally prefer to use the tern eternal life (as apposed to conditional) or the seal of the spirit or perfected forever. All terms used by scripture.

[Eternally Gratefull]

5 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Correct. It is the Holy Spirit fire he is talking about.

holy spirit fire?

[Eternally Gratefull]

5 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Water baptism and circumcision are the same. Tell me where circumcision had any real effect on the sinning Israelites that opostacise? Similarly, many murderers and rapist are baptised I am certain. They are COMMUNITY events and in the early church the WB rite included denouncing all evil accoutrements. It was a 'one upmanship' against the principalities and powers, thumbing the nose at the workers of iniquity. The best kind of spiritual warfare is by attrition - one person at a time transferred into the kingdom of light. So if your WB rites include a good sermon on the Deut 32 worldview, It may be of use. Otherwise it is just a 'club thing' very often.

amen, it is the spiritual circumcision done without hands. Which is accomplished by the baptism of the spirit (col 2)

[Justin Adams]

2 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

holy spirit fire?

To differentiate (tongue in cheek) with the water.

[Eternally Gratefull]

2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

To differentiate (tongue in cheek) with the water.

I believe as John the baptist said, Everyone will be baptized By God, either with the HS or with fire. the fire that shall never be quenched!

 

I chose to be baptized with the HS. Not fire.. Amen!

 

 

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

I believe as John the baptist said, Everyone will be baptized By God, either with the HS or with fire. the fire that shall never be quenched!

 

I chose to be baptized with the HS. Not fire.. Amen!

 

 

I certainly agree here... and I would recommend to all that believe in WB ... it will be much more effective and comfortable for you to get in the pool AFTER the fire... not before.... just saying.

   (just kidding of course), Charlie

[Justin Adams]

3 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I certainly agree here... and I would recommend to all that believe in WB ... it will be much more effective and comfortable for you to get in the pool AFTER the fire... not before.... just saying.

   (just kidding of course), Charlie

And having read all this. I lost something. So please, if you find my mind someplace, please return it unused...

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Heb 6:1

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

 Heb 6:2

Of the doctrine of

baptisms,

and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.