Diaste Posted February 14, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) Is it really 7 years? I don't see it. Edited February 14, 2021 by Diaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Duke Posted February 14, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 255 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 92 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/03/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Diaste said: Is it really 7 years? I don't see it. No. That is taken from a wrong interpretation of Daniel. 3.5 Years only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted February 14, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Diaste said: Is it really 7 years? I don't see it. That is because it is not 7 years, it is seven times, which are not years. The 7 times are the same time as the period as the statue in Dan. 2. The statue shows the time from Babylon until Jerusalem is restored. It is divided into 2 parts of 3 1/2 times each. The first part is from Babylon until 70 AD when the people of Israel were scattered among the gentile nations, Dan. 12:7. The second part is from 70 AD until Jerusalem is restored. (1967) When Jerusalem is restored to the control of the people of Israel, then the 7 times is ended and the toes of the Dan. 2 statue have also ended. The Revelation is centered on the second 3 1/2 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted February 14, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,205 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted February 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Diaste said: Is it really 7 years? I don't see it. Hi Diaste, It is 6.11 months. It is short of the 7 years. (3. 5 & 3. 6 years.) The last part of the 70 x 7, ( seven years) refers to the cleansing the Temple which is longer than the tribulation. Two different timelines for two different purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted February 15, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Diaste said: Is it really 7 years? I don't see it. Hello again D, I agree. I am seeing time periods in Rev. as describing events that happen in the same period. At best, perhaps happening in a slightly offset manner. This means, as an example, the ministry of the two witnesses begins and the AC rises to power within a few months etc. Overlapping mostly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted February 15, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 17 hours ago, Brother Duke said: No. That is taken from a wrong interpretation of Daniel. 3.5 Years only. Do you think it's a full 3.5 years? I don't see 'tribulation' in Rev except for 'tribulation 10 days' in the letters to the churches. I see great tribulation in Matt 24. Is it possible it's even shorter than 3.5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted February 15, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 11 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Diaste, It is 6.11 months. It is short of the 7 years. (3. 5 & 3. 6 years.) The last part of the 70 x 7, ( seven years) refers to the cleansing the Temple which is longer than the tribulation. Two different timelines for two different purposes. Hi, It that 6-11 months? I apologize...it looks like 6 months and 3.3 days. But yes, 'great tribulation' is only mentioned as later, after the A of D, yet there is no duration. Can we know how long GT lasts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted February 15, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Uriah said: Hello again D, I agree. I am seeing time periods in Rev. as describing events that happen in the same period. At best, perhaps happening in a slightly offset manner. This means, as an example, the ministry of the two witnesses begins and the AC rises to power within a few months etc. Overlapping mostly. Hey Uriah, Yes. I have to agree as I see the same thing. Certainly there isn't a 7 year 'tribulation'. A time period of 7 years? Sure. All of it 'tribulation'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie744 Posted February 15, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,667 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 857 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2021 Diaste, I believe the 7 year tribulation time period originated from a gross misinterpretation of a verse in Daniel. Many / most contend the 70 weeks or 490 year prophecy, which began when the Jews were allowed to leave Babylon has this one 7 year (last week) period has yet to happen. Rather than a continuous 490 years, they believe there is a "gap" between the ending of the 483 years and the beginning of this last 7 years - so, they (again, most) are awaiting this last week to begin.... Unfortunately, this "concept" was conceived by the Jesuits around the 1500's to provide a strong counter to the coming or beginning Reformation. Prior to this time, the papacy was believed to be the "little horn" of Daniel. The RCC commissioned the Jesuits to come up with a new interpretation of Daniel that would "get this off their shoulders" and remove their identification as the "little horn" of Daniel - which I certainly believe they are. Consequently, there were two new concepts / interpretations presented - they both would counter the "little horn" label but the one that was accepted and tremendously marketed and pushed throughout the Christian world was this "futuristic" approach where this "little horn" character would not arrive until some 2,000 years or so in the future, thus removing ANY connection with the papacy since this "little horn" figure would arise out of the "beast" (4th kingdom - pagan Rome) after the City, the Temple and the Jewish people were desolated by Titus in 70 AD. This was and still is a very successful campaign by the RCC where almost all now accept this antichrist figure coming at the beginning of this remaining 7 year period and who will also sit in a 3rd Temple who will make an agreement with the Jews only to turn on them in the middle of the 7 years. In order for all of this to make any sense, this futuristic counter argument to the papacy being this "little horn", it required more than a few verses in Daniel 9 to be re-interpreted or more correctly grossly misinterpreted and promoted in a huge way ----- and it has worked so far... So, my opinion is the 70 weeks were certainly continuous and the last week of this 70 weeks began when the Messiah was baptized by John in the Jordan. This started HIS ministry and as we all know, Jesus was indeed "cut off" in the "midst of the week" when He was crucified. But all of this was also prophesied in both Daniel 9 and 11...... where this "little horn" will think to change times and laws, he will think himself to be god on earth, he will corrupt HIS Word and on and on...... This is what the "little horn" has been doing for some 1500 years. But as I mentioned, almost all have been drinking this coolaid for some 500 years and it is now perceived as "gospel" - so difficult to argue with such blind acceptance moving down a hill at great speed...... but it will come to the surface before HIS second coming..... In Daniel 12, we see the second mention to Daniel that he is to "seal up or shut up" this book (verses that will only be made known at the end of times) when knowledge will increase, etc. This may also be applicable to man's increase in their knowledge base (medicine, communications, engineering, travel, etc., and it certainly has), but God is speaking about our increase in the knowledge and understanding of HIS Word! Thanks Charlie 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted February 15, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 15 hours ago, abcdef said: That is because it is not 7 years, it is seven times, which are not years. The 7 times are the same time as the period as the statue in Dan. 2. The statue shows the time from Babylon until Jerusalem is restored. It is divided into 2 parts of 3 1/2 times each. The first part is from Babylon until 70 AD when the people of Israel were scattered among the gentile nations, Dan. 12:7. The second part is from 70 AD until Jerusalem is restored. (1967) When Jerusalem is restored to the control of the people of Israel, then the 7 times is ended and the toes of the Dan. 2 statue have also ended. The Revelation is centered on the second 3 1/2 times. So is Jerusalem restored to the people of Israel right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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