Isaiah 24:23

[LearningToLetGo]

I came across the following in my reading today:

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Isaiah 24:23

Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, for the Lord of
hosts reigns on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and his glory will be
before his elders. (ESV)

Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord
of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his
ancients gloriously.(KJV)

The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed; for the Lord Almighty will
reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders—with great
glory. (NIV)

ESV and KJV use "his", which confuses me. It seems to suggest that the elders or ancients are the Lord's, i.e. the Lord's elders, but that's not right. It's one thing for there to be a heavenly host/council upon which the Lord presides, but it's something else entirely to say that the Lord has elders.

NIV seems to clarify this by suggesting the elders belong to Mount Zion and Jerusalem, but if that's the case why use "its" when "their" would have been grammatically more precise.

 

[R. Hartono]

The book of Revelation speaks abt 24 elders, they are holy people who bow n worship God's glory face to face. They too shall see Jesus glorious millennium government on earth from Jerusalem new Zion.

Edited February 21, 2021 by R. Hartono

[Diaste]

"And round about the throne [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

"The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

I view the elders as part of the administration. The term 'his' is possessive so they belong to His kingdom, not elders as in older or wiser or greater but as a council of authority in the kingdom and the seats in which they sit granted by the Lord. 

It has to be something like this as none are higher than the Holy Trinity.

[LearningToLetGo]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I view the elders as part of the administration. The term 'his' is possessive so they belong to His kingdom, not elders as in older or wiser or greater but as a council of authority in the kingdom and the seats in which they sit granted by the Lord. 

This makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

[luigi]

 The song Kashmir, by Led Zeppelin also mentions a group of elders from a gentle race.

[CaptWalker]

Well not sure how "prophetic" the number 24 is, but i do recall somewhere hearing that 2024 would be the year of Christ's return and it was mainly because of the Biblical significance of this number. But lately have been thinking about the so-called 70 and 120 years generations mentioned in various places, or maybe only one or two, i'm only going by what some "scholars" have stated. Either way, the 70 is easy, starting in 1948, when Israel became a nation, and the 120 in 1908, but won't mention what happened then since if no one is aware or even feels led to look it up then it must not be important...even though if it happened NOW, well lets just say it would probably be kind of a BIG deal!!! But anyway both timelines would bring it to about 2028, which i only am mentioning because of some very self-assured "prophet" of sorts i have seen on Youtube saying something about a meteor/comet hitting the earth in 2029 which would be the beginning of the END, so to speak? But am saying all this just to point out that we may not be as close as it seems we are...but just saying of course.

And btw, that guys name is Thomas Horn, and if anyone knows anything about him, such as him having already given some false "prophecies" or whatever, then feel free to share that, because from what i have seen thus far, he seems to be one of those "can do/say no wrong" kind of people, but maybe just like what's his name that predicted all kinds of crazy stuff/chaos happening back in November???

[CaptWalker]

Well i have to point out that i was wrong about the 70 year generation from 1948, since that would have ended in 2018, so then that should pretty much sum up what Mr. Horn's "prophecies" are all about, but i don't like to judge people so will leave it to someone else to do so. And Psalms 90:10 does also say that our years could be extended to 80, meaning the average life span, or a generation as some scholars believe. But either way my own opinion is that it will most likely be somewhere in between(maybe 77) but i guess that would be a real downer now to say we still have at least 4 more years after what we went through in 2020, especially to those who are/were expecting to be raptured out of here? And if 2025 will be the very END, then that would mean there is/was no rapture, but the "any dayers" (as i refer to them) cannot really be dissauded that much, and so i would assume many of them are still believing 2021 will be the year it happens?!?

Edited February 24, 2021 by CaptWalker