The misleading translation n interpretation of Matthew 24 : 29-30

[ChristB4us]

5 minutes ago, The Light said:

I believe the dead in Christ will rise first. This is the barley harvest. Then Christ will return for the wheat harvest, the alive believers of the Church. He will bring the dead in Christ with Him.

1 Thes 4

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

The alive are caught up to meet them in the clouds. 

Then there will be another rapture, the fall fruit harvest when the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman is caught up at the 6th seal. It is the gathering from heaven and earth.

Mark 13

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

This takes place before the wrath of God.

I understand your point of view as you apply those scripture to that end, but there is more to say to the effect that the living will be meeting those dead resurrected in the clouds together for when they will be with the Lord forever.

Verse 15 is key as if those alive are being raptured also, as not preventing those that are asleep since they will be raised up first.

[The Light]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

"The Church age ends with the soon coming rapture of the Church."

You got this part right.

"Then the seals are opened..."

Here you are miles off from the truth.

Rev. 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

What comes next? Jesus opens the first seal. WHEN? Around 32 AD.

Lightning shut me down

You aren't getting it. When those seals are opened it will be the beginning of sorrows. You will not be going down to the grocery store to pick out your favorite foods. And this little bout with covid is a small, small sample of what is to come. 

When you see these things begin to come to pass, look up. That's now. 

The rider on the white horse at the 1st seal is not Christ. If it was Christ then He would be one of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. That rider carries a bow, as in Apollo the false Christ and false savior. The world is waiting for Horus, who is Apollo who is the false savior, who is the on the back of the 1 dollar bill. 

[R. Hartono]

9 hours ago, The Light said:

Yes, they will be on earth during the tribulation. However, the tribulation is over at the sixth seal 

Imho the sixth seal doesnt end the tribulation : 

Because 1/3 of the sun shall be literally darkened by the 4th trumpet, not by the 6th seal 

Edited April 17, 2023 by R. Hartono

[The Light]

8 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Imho the sixth seal doesnt end the tribulation : 

 

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The tribulation is over when the 6th seal is opened. Then the wrath of God begins. Two completely separate events.

[R. Hartono]

7 minutes ago, The Light said:

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The tribulation is over when the 6th seal is opened. Then the wrath of God begins. Two completely separate events.

The 6th seal is global volcanic eruption so great that the smoke darkens the sun and the moon reflected red colour like the blood moon common phenomenon. 

It by no means literally darkens the sun like the 4th trumpet.

[other one]

If a person has the proper relationship with the Holy Spirit, none of this really matters.

 

If one doesn't have a proper relationship with the Holy Spirit, none of this really matters.

[The Light]

59 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

The 6th seal is global volcanic eruption so great that the smoke darkens the sun and the moon reflected red colour like the blood moon common phenomenon. 

It by no means literally darkens the sun like the 4th trumpet.

Honestly what it is, is not as important as to WHEN it is. Understanding WHEN it is proves that the tribulation is OVER before the wrath of God begins. If you want to understand Revelation, you will need to understand this.

It also proves that Jesus returns at the 6th seal and again at the end of the trumpets.

Edited April 17, 2023 by The Light

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Because 1/3 of the sun shall be literally darkened by the 4th trumpet, not by the 6th seal 

Yes, because the Fourth Trump simply FULFILLS Jesus Prophetic Utterance in the 6th Seal. Just like the Fourth Trump FULFILLS Joel 2:31 from 2500 years ago. 

 

2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

The 6th seal is global volcanic eruption so great that the smoke darkens the sun and the moon reflected red colour like the blood moon common phenomenon. 

It by no means literally darkens the sun like the 4th trumpet.

Its just Prophetic, when that Rev. 8 Asteroid hits will not the whole earth quake?  Everything in the SEALS points towards the Rev. 8 Judgment Trumps, where the first four Trumps are one Asteroid Event. 1.) Fire comes in as its breaking apart somewhat, of course 2.) We get THE IMPACT (Earthquake) which cause catastrophic events, PLUS the Fires burning via Trumpet number one. 3.) We get a simply FALLOUT on the fresh waters in 1/3 of the world (two Americas), where the impact happens. 4.) The Sun and Moon turn to darkness because the smoke filters out the sun, the moon turns blood red because of the red hue from so many trees burning. Its all tied to the first four Trumps. Seal #6 Prophesies all of this, just like Seals 1-5 Prophesies the coming 42 month reign of the Anti-Christ who will 1.) Conquers 2.)Bring forth Wars 3.) Famine 4.)And Sickness/Death 5.) And kill those who turn to Christ. ALL of this only comes to pass at the exact time that the Wrath of God falls (DOTL) because part of God's Wrath is allowing the world the King they so want. Israel wants this king because, they joining the E.U. that kicks off the 70th week of God's anger at Israel, they give God's land away basically, by joining the E.U., at this same time they give up their Nukes !!

[iamlamad]

12 hours ago, The Light said:

You aren't getting it. When those seals are opened it will be the beginning of sorrows. You will not be going down to the grocery store to pick out your favorite foods. And this little bout with covid is a small, small sample of what is to come. 

When you see these things begin to come to pass, look up. That's now. 

The rider on the white horse at the 1st seal is not Christ. If it was Christ then He would be one of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. That rider carries a bow, as in Apollo the false Christ and false savior. The world is waiting for Horus, who is Apollo who is the false savior, who is the on the back of the 1 dollar bill. 

You are not getting this: When Jesus mentioned wars, rumors of wars, famines and pestilences, he added "the end is not yet," telling us, these things are church age, not at the end. The time of Jacob's trouble is at the end of the church age.

These wars, famines, and pestilences Jesus mentioned parallels seals 2, 3, and 4 that John wrote of. They have been occurring in that one fourth of the world  (probably Europe, the Middle East and Africa) all through the church age. Two world wars have come and gone in that one fourth of the world. Countless famines have come in that part of the world.

There is not one word at the first seal to hint of anything evil—not one word. It is only imagination that someone thinks this first seal is the the Antichrist Beast of Revelation 13. 

John used the color white 17 times in Revelation. This color white of the first horse MUST parallel the same meaning as in the other 16 times John used it, to represent righteousness, godliness, pureness, holiness, etc.

When we refuse to pull the first seal out of its context (Chapters 4 and 5), Jesus prevailing over death, then ascending and sending the Holy Spirit down, it cannot possibly be anything relating to the 70th week. There was only one entity on earth that would fit the color white when Jesus ascended: that would be the infant church. Jesus told them to take the gospel to the world. But Satan was and still is the god of this world. The church would have to overcome the principalities and powers of every new land the gospel was to reach.

The description giving of the first seal fits the church, taking the gospel to the world. Of course the rider of this white horse is not Jesus. He ascended and has stayed in heaven. It is my guess that these horses and riders are symbolic—not real horses and riders.

I will tell you what Jesus spoke to me concerning chapters 4 and 5, paraphrased: if you don't understand why Jesus was not seen in the throne room in chapter 4, if you don't understand why Jesus was not found worthy to take the book and open the seals in that first search John watched, if you don't understand why the Holy Spirit was still there in the throne room in chapter 4, long after Jesus has ascended, you will not understand John's vision. Plain and simple.

[The Light]

36 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You are not getting this: When Jesus mentioned wars, rumors of wars, famines and pestilences, he added "the end is not yet," telling us, these things are church age, not at the end. The time of Jacob's trouble is at the end of the church age.

These wars, famines, and pestilences Jesus mentioned parallels seals 2, 3, and 4 that John wrote of. They have been occurring in that one fourth of the world  (probably Europe, the Middle East and Africa) all through the church age. Two world wars have come and gone in that one fourth of the world. Countless famines have come in that part of the world.

There is not one word at the first seal to hint of anything evil—not one word. It is only imagination that someone thinks this first seal is the the Antichrist Beast of Revelation 13. 

John used the color white 17 times in Revelation. This color white of the first horse MUST parallel the same meaning as in the other 16 times John used it, to represent righteousness, godliness, pureness, holiness, etc.

When we refuse to pull the first seal out of its context (Chapters 4 and 5), Jesus prevailing over death, then ascending and sending the Holy Spirit down, it cannot possibly be anything relating to the 70th week. There was only one entity on earth that would fit the color white when Jesus ascended: that would be the infant church. Jesus told them to take the gospel to the world. But Satan was and still is the god of this world. The church would have to overcome the principalities and powers of every new land the gospel was to reach.

The description giving of the first seal fits the church, taking the gospel to the world. Of course the rider of this white horse is not Jesus. He ascended and has stayed in heaven. It is my guess that these horses and riders are symbolic—not real horses and riders.

Let me get this straight. These wars, famines, and pestilences Jesus mentioned parallels seals 2, 3, and 4 that John wrote of. Then you go on to say "There is not one word at the first seal to hint of anything evil—not one word."

Don't you think Jesus telling us that there are false Christs parallels the 1st seal? Don't you think that is evil?

Then you go to say talk about the color white and how it is good. Doesn't it occur to you that a wolf dresses in sheep's clothing to fool the sheep. Are you expecting the wolf to dress in wolfs clothing? 

36 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I will tell you what Jesus spoke to me concerning chapters 4 and 5, paraphrased: if you don't understand why Jesus was not seen in the throne room in chapter 4, if you don't understand why Jesus was not found worthy to take the book and open the seals in that first search John watched, if you don't understand why the Holy Spirit was still there in the throne room in chapter 4, long after Jesus has ascended, you will not understand John's vision. Plain and simple.

Ok. Why do you not believe Jesus? I have been telling you for some time that if you don't understand that what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 lines up perfectly with what John tells us in Revelation, you will be without understanding. The fifth seal occurs during the great tribulation and the sixth seal is the coming of Jesus for the gathering from heaven and earth before the wrath of God. Jesus even goes on to say this.

Matthew 24

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus says, hey, wake up, I have told you before, false Christs are coming. I told you that the beast of the earth is coming and now I'm telling that the beast of the sea is coming. Don't fall for these false Christs, because when I come it will be as lightning.

What Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 lines up perfectly with what John tells us in Revelation. When those seals are opened, a false Christ will come forth. Then there will be wars, famines and pestilence..........not over in Africa or Afghanistan, RIGHT HERE and everywhere. The stores will be looted in a flash and the famine will be upon the world. Then comes disease. You think this stuff has been going on since the death of Jesus, but you don't understand that the time of Jacobs trouble is the final week that takes place in the seals.

It's time you start believing what Jesus told you.