Repentance... is it from sin or from unbelief?

[Waggles]

1John 1:6  If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 
1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 
1:8  If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 
1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 
1:10  If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 

[Charlie744]

Just saw this topic ... My initial thoughts after reading this question came to me as follows:

1) Is it from "unbelief"? If one does not believe either in the one true God or he/she believes in Buddha, or new age, or is a Muslim, from THEIR point of view there is and has been NO sin in play. In fact, they are more than likely very comfortable with their views and would rather comment on your ignorance should you be a follower of Christ. 

            a) And WITHOUT trying to understand and explain to "anyone's" satisfaction, since I have no ability to do so, there is a passage in the John 15:16---

16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.    

                           1) how the above ties in with one's ability or likeness or desire to even consider Christ is beyond me,

2) Therefore, the only purpose for one to "repent" is for them to have an understanding and acceptance of what sin is. If they do not believe in the 10 commandments, there can be no sin in their minds. Repentance can and will put our a "fire" but for those that do not or refuse to see there IS a "fire" there is no need any water or to contact the fire department.

Just my thoughts, Charlie

 

 

[Eternally Gratefull]

22 minutes ago, Waggles said:

What nonsense is this? 

No one is condemning @leah777 yes we are under grace and therefore we continue to walk in the Spirit and to walk pleasing unto God.

We are required to put the effort into becoming wise unto salvation by discerning what is good and what is evil (sin) and to be an overcomer.

Grace is not an excuse to become slothful and presume we are saved because once upon a time we got baptised or whatever. 

Remember the words of our Lord and God - not everybody who says to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of God - yes Christians can fail.

Colossians 1:28  Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 
6:6  We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 
6:12  Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 
6:13  Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 
14  For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. 
15  What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 

Ephesians 5:8  for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 
5:9  (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 
5:10  and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 

I am just going out fs what you said bro, you said she must,  I assumed you meant or else she would lose salvation?

 

what is this excuse to sin stuff?  I never insinuated this?.

 

yes, not everyone who says lord will enter,  I agree, many call him lord yet have never full repented and come to the point of the tax collector,  sadly, we have many who resemble the pharisee,

 

if we can not be good enough to earn salvation, how can you claim we must do anything? 
 

if anything we must remember, he who began a good work will complete it (not might)

 

and he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

 

do you believe these two passages my friend? 

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

But this is not why you were saved, this is not why you came to faith, this is God sanctifying you

 

in my example, unbelief is us before we came to Christ, belief is after we repented and come to faith, 

Is this Gods truth?

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[Eternally Gratefull]

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Is this Gods truth?

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Yes,

how does the word bring you to faith?

how do you go from unbelief to belief? 

 

apart from true repentance, one will not come to faith in my view, we may see pseudo faith or mere belief, but in my view true living faith comes only after true repentance 

[DeighAnn]

13 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

if we can not be good enough to earn salvation, how can you claim we must do anything? 

Because GOD expects us to do MUCH.  

And tells us we better.  

Not to receive the gift already given, not to keep the gift, BUT because of our LOVE OF HIM.  

WHY couldn't they EARN salvation UNDER THE LAW?  They DID NOT have the Holy Spirit leading and guiding them.  The veil wasn't rent. They could not boldly go unto God.  They had to follow the law of the ordinances, shed blood for the forgiveness of their sins, a blood that CANT even compare to the BLOOD of the Lamb slain.  

BUT we do.  IF WITH GOD MAKING IT ALL that easy, don't you think WE MUST say Study to show ourselves approved?  

How hard did Paul work?  Wasn't he our example?  

SURE we receive the free gift, it is not of OUR WORK but the Lords but unless we want to ARRIVE in front of God with nothing more than the thief on the cross brought, WE BEST GET TO WORK, cause our works do follow us.  Want to be a gold vessel unto honor or a wood one unto dishonor.  OUR CHOICE.  

The Lord is not going to JUDGE HOW WELL HE WORKED WITHIN US.  But HOW WELL WE WORKED WITH HIS LEADING AND GUIDANCE.  

In my humble opinion.  

[DeighAnn]

8 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

Yes,

how does the word bring you to faith?

how do you go from unbelief to belief? 

 

apart from true repentance, one will not come to faith in my view, we may see pseudo faith or mere belief, but in my view true living faith comes only after true repentance 

By the reading and hearing of Gods Truth in which Christ is formed within us.  

[DeighAnn]

 

9 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

Yes,

how does the word bring you to faith?

how do you go from unbelief to belief? 

 

apart from true repentance, one will not come to faith in my view, we may see pseudo faith or mere belief, but in my view true living faith comes only after true repentance 

I have got to sign off for a bit right now but will address the second question then.  

[leah777]

9 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Because GOD expects us to do MUCH.  

And tells us we better.  

Not to receive the gift already given, not to keep the gift, BUT because of our LOVE OF HIM.  

WHY couldn't they EARN salvation UNDER THE LAW?  They DID NOT have the Holy Spirit leading and guiding them.  The veil wasn't rent. They could not boldly go unto God.  They had to follow the law of the ordinances, shed blood for the forgiveness of their sins, a blood that CANT even compare to the BLOOD of the Lamb slain.  

BUT we do.  IF WITH GOD MAKING IT ALL that easy, don't you think WE MUST say Study to show ourselves approved?  

How hard did Paul work?  Wasn't he our example?  

SURE we receive the free gift, it is not of OUR WORK but the Lords but unless we want to ARRIVE in front of God with nothing more than the thief on the cross brought, WE BEST GET TO WORK, cause our works do follow us.  Want to be a gold vessel unto honor or a wood one unto dishonor.  OUR CHOICE.  

The Lord is not going to JUDGE HOW WELL HE WORKED WITHIN US.  But HOW WELL WE WORKED WITH HIS LEADING AND GUIDANCE.  

In my humble opinion.  

You may not be aware of this, but using capitals = shouting.

[Waggles]

24 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

do you believe these two passages my friend? 

I do indeed believe and act upon the word of God:

Romans 2:3  Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 
2:4  Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 

Hebrews 12:14  Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. 
12:15  See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; 
12:16  that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. 
12:17  For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears. 

2Peter 1:8  For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 
1:9  For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 
1:10  Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.