Futurism

[Riverwalker]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

That is not what the Bible says.  The Bible never says that salvation by grace through faith is dependent upon the choice of sinful man.

If Says it A Hundred times....here is one

Romans 10: 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus said that when he was 33 years and two months old. 

The Son of God is timeless, for He Created time as He Created Everything

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

And we know the Word is Jesus

John 1:¹⁴ And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

[David1701]

25 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

If Says it A Hundred times....here is one

Romans 10: 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 

 

You are assuming what you need to prove!  This verse says nothing about believing unto righteousness being produced by the choice of sinful man.  The Bible does not say, anywhere, that faith in Jesus Christ is produced by sinful man's choice; but, it does say that faith is a gift from God.

[Your closest friendnt]

12 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

If Says it A Hundred times....here is one

Romans 10: 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 

The Son of God is timeless, for He Created time as He Created Everything

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

And we know the Word is Jesus

John 1:¹⁴ And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Hello Rwalker, thank you for the John one 1-14.  I understand what John is saying.

Is he not talking about Jesus? 

A man like one of them born from Mary who was unique in that not having a human Father. 

A human but not having a human Father. 

A human in everything as he was conceived and he was born in the same way we are born after the nine months gestation period. 

Do we need anything else to prove that he was a man? 

But John also tells us that he was different from any other man in that he existed before Adam was created but not in the form of Adam who was formed out of the earth because he existed before the earth was created.  

He came into our world just like us.

How much do we know when we come to this world borned from our mothers, that much Jesus knew. 

The same like us the only difference is his pre-existence but not as a man. 

   ************

This is what we were discussing with Alive that not only John but many others witnessed the death of Jesus the Lamb of God who shed the blood of the knew Covenant. 

And Jesus Christ testify to that when he raised the glass of wine and said, this is the blood of the new Covenant about to be shed for the forgiveness of sins. 

And this is what Alive gave us for discussion with the question. 

Does Rev 13:8 says that the Lamb of God was slain and shed the blood of the new Covenant before the world was created? 

Or is talking about the book of the one who was predestined to be the Slain Lamb of God. 

And not that the Lamb of God was stained at that time? 

Rev 13: 1-9 

13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

² And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

³ And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

⁴ And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

⁵ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

⁶ And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

⁷ And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

⁸ And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

⁹ If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 

Edited April 3, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Retrobyter]

On 4/1/2021 at 1:54 PM, Josheb said:

No, I take offense when posters fail to keep the posts about the post and write about others. This is particularly so when posters do so negatively. It has nothing to do with whether I agree with the position or not. The problem is practice or method, not content. I was just attacked even while being told I wasn't being attacked!!! I take offense at hypocrisy, too. And that happened while being wished peace! So take a minute and look as objectively as possible at how that post reads, Roy. 

"Hi Josh. Peace be with you while I off-topically attack you falsely by telling you what it is offends you."

All the op-relevant content of the post could have been posted without mentioning me at all. 

But in two out of two posts that proves to be problematic. Look at your own posts, Retro. 

I take offense at these sort of things because they violate the tou! They are offenses. The solution is simple: 

 

Keep the posts about the posts and not the posters.  

 

Especially if there's an authentic desire to trade posts with me. You fix those problems, Retro, and I will be happy to discussed all the problems with modern futurism. Fix them so I can see they've been fixed.

Wow. I had no idea that even the short thing I said would be that offensive to you. I need to publicly apologize to you for attacking you when I didn't even know I was doing so. I've been told that I come off being "preachy" sometimes, but I never really understood how that could be until this post. Therefore, I also thank you for your candor and the revelation that came with it. I'm truly sorry to have attacked you; thank you for enlightening me to my fault.

I now see that saying "Shalom, Josh. First, I'm not on the attack against you, although you always seem to take offense when someone disagrees with you" = "Hi Josh. Peace be with you while I off-topically attack you falsely by telling you what it is offends you." Again, I apologize and will try to keep it about the subject and not the person. Thanks again for the enlightenment.

[Retrobyter]

17 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Who was the one who Slain the Lamb before the foundation of the earth? 

Shalom, your closest friendnt.

Are you asking "Who was the one who was slain as the Lamb before the foundation of the earth?" or "Who was the one who slew the Lamb before the foundation of the earth?"?

[Riverwalker]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hello Rwalker, thank you for the John one 1-14.  I understand what John is saying.

Is he not talking about Jesus? 

A man like one of them born from Mary who was unique in that not having a human Father. 

A human but not having a human Father. 

A human in everything as he was conceived and he was born in the same way we are born after the nine months gestation period. 

Do we need anything else to prove that he was a man? 

But John also tells us that he was different from any other man in that he existed before Adam was created but not in the form of Adam who was formed out of the earth because he existed before the earth was created.  

He came into our world just like us.

How much do we know when we come to this world borned from our mothers, that much Jesus knew. 

The same like us the only difference is his pre-existence but not as a man. 

   ************

This is what we were discussing with Alive that not only John but many others witnessed the death of Jesus the Lamb of God who shed the blood of the knew Covenant. 

And Jesus Christ testify to that when he raised the glass of wine and said, this is the blood of the new Covenant about to be shed for the forgiveness of sins. 

And this is what Alive gave us for discussion with the question. 

Does Rev 13:8 says that the Lamb of God was slain and shed the blood of the new Covenant before the world was created? 

Or is talking about the book of the one who was predestined to be the Slain Lamb of God. 

And not that the Lamb of God was stained at that time? 

Rev 13: 1-9 

13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

² And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

³ And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

⁴ And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

⁵ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

⁶ And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

⁷ And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

⁸ And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

⁹ If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 

While everything He did on the earth, he did as a man. He was/is Still God

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, your closest friendnt.

Are you asking "Who was the one who was slain as the Lamb before the foundation of the earth?" or "Who was the one who slew the Lamb before the foundation of the earth?"?

Shalom to you too,

This is my thought, first we know when the Lamb of God was slain and the Lamb of God knows that also. 

To someone who insist (if I understood correctly that actually it happened before the foundation of earth and the blood of the New Covenant was shed that time there are a number of questions that need to be answer. 

Yes I asked who was the one who slew him. 

And we must have many other things that only are found at the time of creation of man. 

And if the Lamb was actually Slain that time then what about Jesus and the Covenant with Abraham, with the question .

And what about Jesus the Lamb of God descending in the heart of the earth and Abraham knowing of that day.

I asked because I was seeking to define the truth meaning of Rev 13:8 thinking that is taken out of context from 13: 1-7.

13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Edited April 3, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

While everything He did on the earth, he did as a man. He was/is Still God

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 

Hello Riverwalker, the posted scriptures of Philippians 2:5-8 are relevant to the issues at hand, to the point that Jesus Christ was a man in the Life of God the Father.  

Looking at Moses who did the miracles a God would do, and he also did greater miracles than the God's of the Egyptians which was to heavy for the Egyptians and their Priest who boasted of having the Greatest Gods. 

And Moses having fellowship with the Lord God Almighty speaking to him face to face and in the presence of the people.

But still Moses was still a man and remained a man. 

The scriptures posted finish with " Jesus died as a man". 

And other scriptures say that he was raised as a man. 

And he never stopped being the Son of God, in Birth, in Life in Death and when he was raised from the dead. And when he was ascended as a man, and till to day and forever more. 

The Heavenly Father made the man Jesus Lord over all. 

[Riverwalker]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hello Riverwalker, the posted scriptures of Philippians 2:5-8 are relevant to the issues at hand, to the point that Jesus Christ was a man in the Life of God the Father.  

Looking at Moses who did the miracles a God would do, and he also did greater miracles than the God's of the Egyptians which was to heavy for the Egyptians and their Priest who boasted of having the Greatest Gods. 

And Moses having fellowship with the Lord God Almighty speaking to him face to face and in the presence of the people.

But still Moses was still a man and remained a man. 

The scriptures posted finish with " Jesus died as a man". 

And other scriptures say that he was raised as a man. 

And he never stopped being the Son of God, in Birth, in Life in Death and when he was raised from the dead. And when he was ascended as a man, and till to day and forever more. 

The Heavenly Father made the man Jesus Lord over all. 

Jesus, The Son, Never stopped being God. 

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

Jesus, The Son, Never stopped being God. 

**Colossians 2:9

For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

**Colossians 1:19
Verse Concepts
For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him.

**Hear are some verses from Colossians which tells how the Father gave everything he had to Jesus Christ and he also gave him the Holy Spirit.  

 Jesus Christ is the Lord of all, we are accountable to him.

Anything we need we go to Jesus Christ. 

The Father gave everything to Jesus Christ. 

All authority has been given to Jesus Christ. 

In the name of Jesus people are heal and the evil spirits stay away. 

 God bless