Futurism

[DeighAnn]

4 minutes ago, Diaste said:

That bar codes were the mark of the beast, now the chip, the vaccine, AI is the beast. I have even heard them say the mask is the mark of the beast. 

Back in the 70's the hydrogen bomb was Satan. oy!

Thank you.  Who did they say they were being made to worship?  or didn't they think that part was important?  ( that being the only thing that tells 'the season' so seems unreasonable to skip)

[DeighAnn]

Just now, Justin Adams said:

We are the temple. No need for another. Anyhow, Ezekiel's 'temple talk' is like no other temple and has no roof. Allegory? Perhaps.

I don't believe so.  No roof would be needed would it, when Christ returns and all have been changed?  We are going to have to reign and judge for a thousand years here on earth, and a Kingdom with a King need a place for their 'headquarters'.  Why wouldn't it be a temple.  And all the tribes are set about it all in perfect order too.   God is orderly and not into chaos and it would seem ???? without one.   

[Justin Adams]

No 'future' millennium. We are in it now..

[DeighAnn]

4 minutes ago, SONshine said:

This temple will be a spiritual one, which is the LORD.

 

I believe we are the spiritual temple now, the body of Christ,  but the one described in Ezekiel will be literal, here on earth and will last for the 1000 years till the throne judgment.  

 

[Justin Adams]

Just now, DeighAnn said:

I believe we are the spiritual temple now, the body of Christ,  but the one described in Ezekiel will be literal, here on earth and will last for the 1000 years till the throne judgment.  

 

Read it carefully. The supposed 1000 years is not all daisies and pretty. It pretty much describes what we are in right now.

[DeighAnn]

3 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

No 'future' millennium. We are in it now..

For us to be in the millennium right now, then there would be no flesh and blood because no flesh and blood in the Kingdom of God.  

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Justin Adams said:

Read it carefully. The supposed 1000 years is not all daisies and pretty. It pretty much describes what we are in right now.

How do you figure?  

When did every knee bow?  How are we reigning with Christ?  And when did the two witnesses come and prophecy?  And when were they killed and when do I go to say 'is this the man who deceived all the nations?'

[DeighAnn]

3 minutes ago, SONshine said:

I guess we’ll have to disagree on this one.  

We will have to discuss this in more detail, after I have at least taken a nap.  But I am willing to learn how you arrived at that.  

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

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Think I'll have to confine myself to generalities, I find this such an overwhelming topic and hardly know where to begin.  But here's something that I hope might be useful.  God's works as well as wisdom are MANIFOLD (Eph. 3:10, Ps. 104:24) and speaking in the spirit He often communicates in a manifold multi-dimensional way, not just in the two dimensional way of the natural man....Jesus had the spirit without measure and it says in Revelation that his voice is a voice of many waters (washing of the water of His word).  He is often saying more than one thing at the same time, and that is also why methodologies are not sufficient for understanding. 

If anyone tries to draw a line under the things Jesus was saying in what is called the 'olivet discourse'  at the 70 AD temple destruction they are doing the church a tremendous disservice.  Jesus Himself gave us a clue during that same discourse in saying His words would never pass away.  We still need that word of the things He said.  Things have only been partially fulfilled, and on one level, or in one way, with the events surrounding the destruction of the temple.....and I believe it's also a type and shadow of what is to come.  He was not only speaking and prophesying about that one event.  We still need those words of Jesus.  Please I beg everyone do not draw a line under those things that Jesus said, and believe that we can just forget about them and toss it all out...it is not over and done with.

 

[Diaste]

9 minutes ago, Josheb said:

You're arguing over the "quickly," but not the "near," or "at hand." The things would happen quickly because the time was near. The other poster said he reads the text literally where possible. I'd like to know if he does so in the case of Rev. 1:3........ not Rev. 1:1. 

I'm not inclined to a particular method except taking what is said as a whole and not isolating fragments. That's a dark path I avoided many years ago. Then if the things "which must shortly come to pass; " are things which will occur quickly in the realm in which they begin, how is it "the time [is] at hand." can be interpreted apart from the initial concept to mean tomorrow, or next week, or 70 AD?

And if it is, what is "the time [is] at hand." referring to? Many take this to mean the time is at hand for the fulfillment of the whole of Revelation. The "the time [is] at hand...to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;" is what is being said.

Can't have both.

"1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand."

9 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Not only is that a completely fallacious post-hoc argument but it's not true, either. It did come to pass; it just didn't come to pass as modern futurists wnat it to come to pass. We they mean when they say "It hasn't yet happened," is "Our version of what we imagine it will look like hasn't yet happened." In addition, that subject scripture to history, not the other way around. 

"It" did come to pass? What is "it"? You mean the entirety of Revelation? There must a vast trove of written works either supporting or detracting from the fulfilled or failed prophecies as a whole or the elements that didn't come to pass.

For instance, where are the writings about the city and the compelled worship of the King at the feast of Tabernacles once a year?  There must be at least one critic of this practice. After all, rain was withheld for failure to comply. In this snowflake infested world there should droves screaming at the sky over this.

9 minutes ago, Josheb said:

 

And it avoids the question. The "near" of Rev. 1:3 and 22:10 can be read literally. Does he?

Because if he doesn't then he's being inconsistent. If he does then his interpretation is.... inconsistent. Either way it's a problem both exegetically and logically. 

It is literal but applied to the wrong idea. And I can't speak for anyone else nor do I wish to address who does what and why unless I'm directly addressing them.