Who gave the devil permission to assault Job?

[Riverwalker]

Okay its time to stir the pot again  but I am going to put forth an idea about Job, that I see in the scriptures that flies in the face of traditional teaching.  It is just an idea and I am more than willing to be wrong about it...but it just makes me go hmmm

Yes God does point out Job to satan,

9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”

But when God  says

12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.”

Is he tearing down that hedge of protection, or is he revealing a breach in it? A breach that Job Created by fear.

When Job says in chapter 3:

25 For the thing I greatly feared has come upon me,
And what I dreaded has happened to me.

Has he given place to the devil? The case can be made that fear and faith are complete opposites and that one is ceding power to God and one is giving it to satan.

I am interesting in any and all thoughts.

[Justin Adams]

5 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

I am interesting in any and all thoughts.

Firstly, haSatan as mentioned in the Tanakh means, adversary, opposer and other similar ideas. It is NOT a proper noun. Even the Angel of the Lord is referred to as haSatan when He speaks thru the donkey. The later second temple period and on into the NT personifies 'Satan' as a distinct being or Adversary. It is better to think of the Nacash in the Tanakh, as when he opposed Eve and deceived her.

Edited April 1, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Who me]

Job has lost his family, his wealth and his health.  He is suffering and he is not shy about letting us know he is suffering.

We all fear that something will happen to those we love, but that doesn't open the door to something happening to them.

Job is an object lesson that in trouble we can moan, but we still can and should trust God.

[missmuffet]

God gave Satan permission to assault Job. Satan needs permission sometimes to attack and sift a person. 

Job 38:11 There are boundaries of which Satan has to abide by to attack and harrass a person. 

[missmuffet]

Satan still has restricted access to heaven Job 1:6. But perhaps that is another thread. 

[Walter and Deborah]

31 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Okay its time to stir the pot again  but I am going to put forth an idea about Job, that I see in the scriptures that flies in the face of traditional teaching.  It is just an idea and I am more than willing to be wrong about it...but it just makes me go hmmm

Yes God does point out Job to satan,

9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”

But when God  says

12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.”

Is he tearing down that hedge of protection, or is he revealing a breach in it? A breach that Job Created by fear.

When Job says in chapter 3:

25 For the thing I greatly feared has come upon me,
And what I dreaded has happened to me.

Has he given place to the devil? The case can be made that fear and faith are complete opposites and that one is ceding power to God and one is giving it to satan.

I am interesting in any and all thoughts.

Great post, I believe there is a time for everything as the LORD permits as with Job.

This is why I think it is important to earnestly contend with the faith and do that work in which He told us to do.

Love always, Walter and Debbie

 

[Justin Adams]

21 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Satan still has restricted access to heaven Job 1:6. But perhaps that is another thread

Since the death and resurrection of Yeshua, all the opposing host have had their power rescinded. "He disarmed the principalities and powers". 

[missmuffet]

45 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Since the death and resurrection of Yeshua, all the opposing host have had their power rescinded. "He disarmed the principalities and powers". 

Not entirely:

Question: "Does Satan still have access to Heaven? Why does God allow Satan to enter Heaven, as recorded in the Bible?"

Answer: Satan was originally one of God’s holy angels, but he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven (Luke 10:18). That was only the first stage of his judgment. Satan’s kingdom was vanquished at the cross (John 12:31–32). Later, he will be bound in the abyss for one thousand years (Revelation 20:1–3) and then will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity (Revelation 20:10).

Until his final judgment, Satan is "the prince of this world" (John 14:30), but it seems that he still has restricted access to the heavenly realms. In Job 1:6, Satan stands in the presence of God. There is a similar situation in 2 Chronicles 18:18–21 involving a "lying spirit."

Since God is holy and absolutely without sin (Isaiah 6:3), and since He will not even look on evil (Habakkuk 1:13), how can Satan be in heaven? The answer involves God’s sovereign restraint of sin. In Job 1, Satan stood before God to give an account of himself. God initiated the meeting, led the proceedings, and remained in absolute control (verse 7). The result was that Satan’s power was limited (verse 12) and God was glorified.

Here are some other facts to note: 1) Satan does not have open access to God’s presence. He is summoned by God. 2) The visits are temporary. His time before God’s throne is limited. 3) In no way is the purity of heaven tainted by the brief, God-ordained presence of a sinful being, "quarantined," as it were, by God’s regulatory power. And, 4) Satan’s access is only granted prior to the final judgment. After the judgment, God creates a new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21:1), wipes away all tears from our eyes (verse 4), reveals the New Jerusalem (verse 10), and promises the complete absence of sin (verse 27).

When we say, "God cannot allow sin into heaven," we simply mean that God cannot allow human beings who are still in their sin to live in His presence. But it is possible for God to command a sinful being to stand (temporarily) in His presence in order to commission him (Isaiah 6), to exact an account from him (Job 1-2), or to judge him (Revelation 20:11–15) without compromising His holiness.

God’s holiness will eventually consume all sin. Until that day, His holiness regulates sin, and that means that Satan, on certain occasions, is briefly summoned before his Creator to give an account of his actions.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-access.html

Edited April 1, 2021 by missmuffet

[leah777]

48 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Since the death and resurrection of Yeshua, all the opposing host have had their power rescinded. "He disarmed the principalities and powers". 

Who is driving the sin and evil in this world if not satan? So much evil, including against Christians. 

[Justin Adams]

8 minutes ago, leah777 said:

Who is driving the sin and evil in this world if not satan? So much evil, including against Christians. 

It all goes back to Deut 32 and the Psalm 82 indictment. To get a good handle on this read or watch Dr. Heiser's "Unseen Realm" videos or books. Got Questions has it all incorrect mostly.