Some Bible Stories as Representative

[David1701]

29 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

Thank you for your question.  I've indeed thought on that, but again, I focus on the overall arch of truth of the Bible.  The Bible has proven itself trustworthy through archaeology, prophecy, science, and experiential knowledge.  

Then on what do you base your claims that it contains error?  What are the claimed errors and how do you make that assessment?

[David1701]

19 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

Thank you again for your thoughts.  That's actually my point.  There's a danger in focusing on the literal nature of each word because if a Christian is confronted with a genuine error, then one may panic.  My point is that there is no need to panic because the Bible is trustworthy, and those small errors or however you choose to describe them are not salvation issues.

What "small errors"?  You have not provided anything except vague doubts, so far.

[BeyondET]

10 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

I was studying the other day and came to a realization that I haven't really given much thought to in the past.  I believe some Christians focus too much on inerrancy or perfection of the scriptures instead of the overall arch of truth of those scriptures.  Is every story in the Bible accurate and without error.  I don't believe so.  Do I trust the Bible?  Yes I do because I don't want to get caught up on the weeds.  

However, we must remember that the Bible is a collection of stories that were written down after centuries and maybe a millennium.  Before that they were orally transmitted.  God is perfect, but humans are not so there will always be a degree of imperfection in anything that we touch.  However, that's ok.  God does use imperfect and flawed people to get his message to the world.  It's good to have an answer to well informed skeptics and those who will challenge you.

interesting topic, ironically Luke speaks about perfect understanding of all things from the very first that is quite a bold statement, did he have perfect understanding or is the text human translation over reach, one or the other I’d assume. But I wonder if Theophilus will get settled on who the person was.

Luke 1:3

It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

[R. Hartono]

10 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

Is the book of Jonah literal or a  parable of sorts.  Was there a worldwide?  Yes, I believe there was due to the untold number of flood stories across all cultures and background.  Is the Bible's version the most correct?  I believe it sounds the most logical, but it may represent a real world event that occurred before written language was created.  Did the flood destroy all except for a few souls.  I don't know.  Maybe a hundred people survived.  Maybe it was a thousand. Maybe a million.  I don't know.  However, the Biblical story represents a truth that really occurred at some point regardless if the details.

2 Cor 3:6 ...for the letters kill but the Spirit gives life.

We need Holy Spirit annointment n discernment instead of letters reading.

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by R. Hartono

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, Jayne said:

Ah, here is the problem - your misunderstanding of the word "inspired" when it comes to the Bible.

It is not inspired as in a beautiful sunset inspired [or gave you the motivation] to paint it or that events in your family's history inspired you [or gave you the idea] to write a book.

The word "inspired" in 2 Timothy 3:16 is the Greek word "theopneustos".  [The New Testament was written in Koine Greek].

It's found only once and it in the verse in question.  It literally means "God-breathed" or from the Holy Spirit. God has NOT inspired you to write his literal and very words.  God DID inspire the men of old to write down, via the Holy Spirit, the literal and exact words of God.  God did this supernaturally and he gave these men the literal words to say - miraculously

God may motivate someone to write a book today about Christian ideas, but today [or people may just think it's God] - but he does not dictate the exact words.  That's why we have a lot of books today that are in GREAT error.

We can be inspired today to do all kinds of things, but it doesn't mean that God is in it and it means more of along the lines of motivated in a NON-supernatural way.

If you doubt the truth of God's word by doubting the stories of the Old Testament - especially the ones that the New Testament confirm as real [Adam/Eve, Flood, Jonah, the plagues and leaving Egypt, and MUCH more]...

...then why do you think Jesus Christ is real?  Doubt the first passage and doubt creeps in and covers the rest.

 

 

Hmm "theopneustos" Theophilus nay looks similar lol...

Luke 1:3

it seemed good to me also, having traced the course of all things accurately from the first, to write to you in order, most excellent Theophilus;

[Waggles]

8 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

My point is that there is no need to panic because the Bible is trustworthy, and those small errors or however you choose to describe them are not salvation issues.

What small errors??

Identify them please.

[Waggles]

8 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

For example, did Jesus feed 5,000 or did he feed 3,000?  Before the account was written down, it was told and retold for a few decades.  When stories are told and retold, sometimes small details change.  It doesn't mean the story is not true.  I just don't think God wants us to get up on the details.

What is the point of your thread? 

Is this not what Scofield and other "Bible scholars" did back in their day - quibbling about the details and undermining the veracity of the scriptures and therefore the veracity of the gospel of salvation? 

And now we have Biblical "modern scholarship" which claims that the details are so fabricated that the first five books of Moses are merely a retelling of Mesopotamian stories, such as the epic of Gilgamesh. 

You know in both the Hebrew and the Greek every single word and its order is sealed by God through arithmetic patterns and numbers - the Rabbis called this gematria and Ivan Panin called it Bible Numerics. 

Thus Genesis 1:1 in the Hebrew has multiples of 7 in the values of the letters and the words. 

[BeyondET]

28 minutes ago, Waggles said:

What small errors??

Identify them please.

Maybe Amigo is referring to bible versions. I’m not really sure about the Contemporary English Version it is a different style of bible.

Edited May 2, 2021 by BeyondET

[Waggles]

Genesis 1:1  IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH

The number of words in this verse, in the original Hebrew, is 7 - there are seven words in the Hebrew.

These 7 words have 28 letters in Hebrew (7x4).

And these 28 letters are thus divided: the first three words - containing the subject and predicate of the sentence "In the beginning God created" have 14 letters (7x2)

The last four words, containing the object of the sentence "the heavens and the earth" have also 14 letters (7x2)

The fourth and fifth words in the verse containing one object "the heavens" have 7 letters, and the sixth and seventh words containing "and the earth" have also 7 letters.

There are still more features to this verse expressing the seal of God - perfection - through the number 7 woven throughout the Word of God. 

paraphrased from "The Shorter Works Of Ivan Panin Bible Numerics" 

[BeyondET]

 

 

20 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Genesis 1:1  IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH

The number of words in this verse, in the original Hebrew, is 7 - there are seven words in the Hebrew.

These 7 words have 28 letters in Hebrew (7x4).

And these 28 letters are thus divided: the first three words - containing the subject and predicate of the sentence "In the beginning God created" have 14 letters (7x2)

The last four words, containing the object of the sentence "the heavens and the earth" have also 14 letters (7x2)

The fourth and fifth words in the verse containing one object "the heavens" have 7 letters, and the sixth and seventh words containing "and the earth" have also 7 letters.

There are still more features to this verse expressing the seal of God - perfection - through the number 7 woven throughout the Word of God. 

paraphrased from "The Shorter Works Of Ivan Panin Bible Numerics" 

Even Prime Number

Edited May 2, 2021 by BeyondET