Polycarp

[Alive]

The tone of this conversation has changed from one that presents scriptural evidence and interpretation of 'end times' stuff, to a judgmental attitude that diminishes ones that don't agree. This stuff is not salvation dependent. In my 46 years or so up until today, I have met folks who are equally convinced that God taught them eschatology and yet those people were taught by God---very different things.

So---who then is spiritual? Who then is right?

As soon as one member says that they are more spiritual than another or that another is less than they are---you have diminished yourself, have entered the realm of the flesh. You may be fully convinced and be wrong.

Beware of these things.

[Diaste]

Still...the Spirit is one voice, not many.

[Alive]

4 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Still...the Spirit is one voice, not many.

That is the point isn't it? Don't be so sure you are correct.

Present your case and respect another brother doing the same.

We ought to all assume that our brother is equally desirous to understand correctly as we study. That is key.

[Guest kingdombrat]

3 hours ago, electlady said:

Breaker...breaker....

So some of you are saying that Jesus has returned?  I hate to break it to you, but no, our Savior has not returned yet.  Okay, okay... I want y’all to do something for me...  Pinch yourself really hard...ouch...did you draw blood? Yes?  Well then, the Millennium has not happened yet!!  Because, you see, when the true Messiah returns, we who are alive and remain will instantly, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, be changed from our flesh bodies into our spiritual bodies.  In other words, this flesh age we’re in right now ENDS when Christ, the King of kings, returns.  ....and the Millennium begins (the Day of the Lord).

1 Corinthians 15:52

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

—electlady 

It's quite hilarious because they claim there is [NO PROOF] showing the first Church into the 2nd Century was not living in the Mill Reign.   But they're quick to use Josephus as a historical account but refuse to use John the Apostles most famous Disciple, Polycarp's, word that literally has historical value written 80 years AFTER 70 A.D. Destruction.

 

From Polycarp 80 years after 70 A.D.

chapter 5

If we please Him in this present world, we shall receive also the future world, according as He has promised to us that He will raise us again from the dead, and that if we live worthily of Him, [we shall also reign together with Him].

^

Polycarp tells us the Reign with Christ has [NOT YET HAPPENED] and he is writing in 150 A.D. 80 years after 70 A.D. that some believe kicks off the Reign.

 

 

Polycarp let's us know Christ HAS NOT returned a Second Time like they're trying to claim.

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 hours ago, Uriah said:

We missed the Second Coming? This is preterist propaganda. Gentry has been debunked many times. 

I've debunked him myself.

 

Look what Polycarp states some 80 years [150 A.D.] after 70 A.D.

 

chapter 5

If we please Him in this present world, we shall receive also the future world, according as He has promised to us that He will raise us again from the dead, and that if we live worthily of Him, [we shall also reign together with Him].

^

Polycarp tells us the Reign with Christ has [NOT YET HAPPENED] and he is writing in 150 A.D. 80 years after 70 A.D. that some believe kicks off the Reign.

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

The tone of this conversation has changed from one that presents scriptural evidence and interpretation of 'end times' stuff, to a judgmental attitude that diminishes ones that don't agree. This stuff is not salvation dependent. In my 46 years or so up until today, I have met folks who are equally convinced that God taught them eschatology and yet those people were taught by God---very different things.

So---who then is spiritual? Who then is right?

As soon as one member says that they are more spiritual than another or that another is less than they are---you have diminished yourself, have entered the realm of the flesh. You may be fully convinced and be wrong.

Beware of these things.

I believe if we're able to use Ancient Writings as historical value such as Josephus to build a Biblical Doctrine, we surely are allowed to use a DISCIPLE of John for the same thing.

 

I believe Polycarp tells us the Second Coming has not happened in 70 A.D. and his writings are historical proof of just that.

 

chapter 5

If we please Him in this present world, we shall receive also the future world, according as He has promised to us that He will raise us again from the dead, and that if we live worthily of Him, [we shall also reign together with Him].

^

Polycarp tells us the Reign with Christ has [NOT YET HAPPENED] and he is writing in 150 A.D. 80 years after 70 A.D. that some believe kicks off the Reign.

[Uriah]

7 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

I've debunked him myself.

 

Look what Polycarp states some 80 years [150 A.D.] after 70 A.D.

 

chapter 5

If we please Him in this present world, we shall receive also the future world, according as He has promised to us that He will raise us again from the dead, and that if we live worthily of Him, [we shall also reign together with Him].

^

Polycarp tells us the Reign with Christ has [NOT YET HAPPENED] and he is writing in 150 A.D. 80 years after 70 A.D. that some believe kicks off the Reign.

That's right. And here is a scriptural truth that, if we are able only to count to two, shows the impossible Gentry has put himself into. His teaching makes it necessitate a 3rd coming. Still I say there is sincerity in him as well as those who follow his teachings. But as the Bereans, he needs to see if these things are so.

Heb 9:28- So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

[Diaste]

29 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

I believe if we're able to use Ancient Writings as historical value such as Josephus to build a Biblical Doctrine, we surely are allowed to use a DISCIPLE of John for the same thing.

 

I believe Polycarp tells us the Second Coming has not happened in 70 A.D. and his writings are historical proof of just that.

 

chapter 5

If we please Him in this present world, we shall receive also the future world, according as He has promised to us that He will raise us again from the dead, and that if we live worthily of Him, [we shall also reign together with Him].

^

Polycarp tells us the Reign with Christ has [NOT YET HAPPENED] and he is writing in 150 A.D. 80 years after 70 A.D. that some believe kicks off the Reign.

I think it odd that according to some then the millennia reign and Christ's kingdom on earth looks suspiciously like business as usual. That can't be good or right. 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Diaste

[Uriah]

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

I believe you were the one that broke into this conversation. It was your statement about preterists that is ad hominin as I stated.

 

But this is an open discussion, for everyone, right. I t r u l y mean no offense toward you.

As for preterism, it is open for criticism like any other ism.

[Uriah]

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

So pre-mil and Dispensational stuff by Darby and Scofield is NOT false??

Dsrbyism ( to me) is a false teaching too.