The size of New Jerusalem

[Retrobyter]

On 12/31/2021 at 11:13 PM, Spiros said:

Hello Retrobyter,

We know this information because science has evolved the last 2260 years from Eratosthenes time. I thus don’t  think it is fair to say that he made faulty assumptions.

Hi, Spiros.

And yet, that's what YOUR source tells us! Here's an excerpt highlighting the assumptions:

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Eratosthenes' method to calculate Earth's circumference has been lost; what has been preserved is the simplified version described by Cleomedes to popularise the discovery.[5] Cleomedes invites his reader to consider two Egyptian cities, Alexandria and Syene, modern Assuan:

Cleomedes assumes that the distance between Syene and Alexandria was 5,000 stadia (a figure that was checked yearly by professional bematists, mensores regii).[6]

He assumes the simplified (but false) hypothesis that Syene was precisely on the Tropic of Cancer, saying that at local noon on the summer solstice the Sun was directly overhead.

He assumes the simplified (but false) hypothesis that Syene and Alexandria are on the same meridian.

Under the previous assumptions, writes Cleomedes, you can measure the Sun's angle of elevation at noon of the summer solstice in Alexandria, by using a vertical rod (a gnomon) of known length and measuring the length of its shadow on the ground; it is then possible to calculate the angle of the Sun's rays, which he claims to be about 7°, or 1/50th the circumference of a circle. Taking the Earth as spherical, the Earth's circumference would be fifty times the distance between Alexandria and Syene, that is 250,000 stadia. Since 1 Egyptian stadion is equal to about 157.7 metres,[7] the result is roughly 39,425 km, which is 1.5% less than the real circumference, 40,008 km.

Eratosthenes' method was actually more complicated, as stated by the same Cleomedes, whose purpose was to present a simplified version of the one described in Eratosthenes' book. The method was based on several surveying trips conducted by professional bematists, whose job was to precisely measure the extent of the territory of Egypt for agricultural and taxation-related purposes.[2] Furthermore, the fact that Eratosthenes' measure corresponds precisely to 252,000 stadia might be intentional, since it is a number that can be divided by all natural numbers from 1 to 10: some historians believe that Eratosthenes changed from the 250,000 value written by Cleomedes to this new value to simplify calculations;[8] other historians of science, on the other side, believe that Eratosthenes introduced a new length unit based on the length of the meridian, as stated by Pliny, who writes about the stadion "according to Eratosthenes' ratio".[2][9]

 

So, there WERE faulty assumptions made in his calculations.

On 12/31/2021 at 11:13 PM, Spiros said:

I quote from Wikipedia:

The Romans adopted the Greek Ionian foot. It’s length was 296 mm. The Roman cubit was thus the Ionian cubit which had a size of 444 mm. By taking multiples they came up with the Roman mile. I am not disputing the fact that the Romans used a mile measure. A great number of experts have proposed that a short stadion measure was used in the Roman Kingdom at the time of Apostle John. My mathematical\geodetical calculations on Apostle John’s  12,000 stadion New Jerusalem idea proves that these experts are or were correct(right on the spot). The only question that arises regards the size of the cubit being used. Did John use the Roman/Ionian cubit, did he use the geographic/Parthenon cubit, or did he use a Mesopotamian cubit. It is less probable that other cubit lengths were used. But this is another subject. It relates to the walls of New Jerusalem.

At first glance one would think that it would be better if it read “twelve thousand furlongs”, but remember: New Jerusalem relates to the 12 Apostles plus Christ adding up to 12,000 units. This is a number with no units of measure. No furlongs, no nothing. Therefore 12,000 is a more complete identification of New Jerusalem.

Take another look:

 

Revelation 7.5

1550 Stephanus New Testament

εκ φυλης ιουδα ιβ χιλιαδες εσφραγισμενοι

New King James Version (NKJV)

of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;

The isopsephy value of “12 thousand”:

 

ιβ χιλιαδες = ΙΒ ΧΙΛΙΑΔΕΣ = 12 ΧΙΛΙΑΔΕΣ  = 12 + (600+10+30+10+1+4+5+200) = 12+860 = 872

 

We compute the isopsephy value of Jerusalem in Greek with the article:

 

Η ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ = (8)+(10+5+100+70+400+200+1+30+8+40) = 872

No. Again, you're trying to use numbers without units! Even in Revelation 7:5, there ARE units! These are 12,000 INDIVIDUALS or 12,000 PERSONS who were sealed!

On 12/31/2021 at 11:13 PM, Spiros said:

I would beg to disagree with you here. I’m sure that in the heart of all Christians who believe our triadic God, that the three settlements where Jesus was conceived, born, crucified, resurrected, and where he ascended onto heaven are especially important.

In this latitude range though we do have Bethany where Jesus was baptized.     

How to define New Jerusalem. Use:

 

1. Orthodox Church of the Annunciation - Nazareth

2. Church of the Nativity - Bethlehem

3. Holy Monastery of Saint John the Baptist - Bethany

4.  Church of the Holy Sepulchre – Jerusalem

 

4 defines the size of the New Jerusalem cube. But you average out the size of “New Nazareth”, “New Bethlehem”, “New Bethany”, and “New Jerusalem” you can compute the position of New Jerusalem in Greece. If you use the Nazareth, Bethlehem, Jerusalem triad you obtain a second solution.

 

Best Regards

Spiros

Don't base your numbers on CHURCH locations! That's not rational. Furthermore, Yeshua` was NOT baptized in Bethany! He was baptized in the JORDAN RIVER!

Matthew 3:13 (KJV)

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

Mark 1:9 (KJV)

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

Just because there's some monastery somewhere that bears John the Baptist's name, it doesn't mean that Yeshua` was there to be baptized!

[Spiros]

On 1/5/2022 at 1:02 AM, Retrobyter said:

Hi, Spiros.

1. And yet, that's what YOUR source tells us! Here's an excerpt highlighting the assumptions:

So, there WERE faulty assumptions made in his calculations.

2. No. Again, you're trying to use numbers without units! Even in Revelation 7:5, there ARE units! These are 12,000 INDIVIDUALS or 12,000 PERSONS who were sealed!

3. Don't base your numbers on CHURCH locations! That's not rational. Furthermore, Yeshua` was NOT baptized in Bethany! He was baptized in the JORDAN RIVER!

Matthew 3:13 (KJV)

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

Mark 1:9 (KJV)

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

Just because there's some monastery somewhere that bears John the Baptist's name, it doesn't mean that Yeshua` was there to be baptized!

Hello Retrobyter,

 

1. You wrote 3 times “assumes” for things that Eratosthenes - the scientist – did not assume but rather Cleomedes supposedly assumed.   Therefore we do not know what Eratosthenes assumed or if he made any logical errors. What we do know is that his calculation is very precise. So what we do know for sure is that he computed the earth to have a Meridian perimeter of 252,000 stades. Therefore what is important is to find out what this means. As I have pointed out one deduction is that a short stadium was used as a unit of measure and that the New Jerusalem geodetic methodology proves this is correct.

 

But let’s look at Cleomedes information again.

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Taking the Earth as spherical, the Earth's circumference would be fifty times the distance between Alexandria and Syene.

 

What if, 50 times the distance between Alexandria and Syene is actually 252,000 stades? What would be the repercussions of this?

 

252,000 Stades divided by 50 is:

 

252,000 stades / 50 =  5,040 stades

 

What if 5,040 stades is equal to the distance between Alexandria and Asuan? I used Google Earth Pro to compute the distance between the III dynasty pyramid of Elephantine to ancient Alexandria. The distance comes out to approximately 840,558 meters. 1 stade is thus:

 

1 Stade = 840,558 m / 5,040 = 166.777 meters

 

So, was this stade used to define the dimensions of New Jerusalem? If it was then the cube width of New Jerusalem would be 12,000 stades or:

 

w = 166.777 m x 12,000 = 2,001,329 m

 

So is this the size of New Jerusalem? According to my geodetic theory no. But according to my theory the size of New Nazareth is:

 

y = 1,999,770 meters

 

 

The error is less than a mile! But that’s not all! If instead of 12,000 Nazareth stadiums we use 10,000 Nazareth stadiums we compute the size of “New Jesus”. Here Jesus as IHSOYS defines the pyramid “New Jerusalem” geometrical prototypes. Jesus here encodes a place, a place in Egypt. This place links to the New Jerusalem encoding and also points to the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

 

“New Jesus” cube size = 1,667,108 meters

 

2. We can use numbers to express units that are dimensionless like "individuals" or we can use them to express units that have a dimension the definition of which is arbitrary. For example if a number, the number let's say 5 expresses length, then we can express it in miles or kilometers. But the definition of the size of the mile or the kilometer are arbitrary.  We need to know it's exact size so as to make sense of 12,000 furlongs. But 12,000 units or 12,000 individuals are easy to contemplate. It's clear what it means.

 

3. According to Wikipedia:

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Al-Maghtas (Arabic: المغطس, meaning "baptism" or "immersion") is the traditional site of the Baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist and venerated as such since at least the Byzantine period.

 

To compute the size of the New City cube you basically only need the latitude of a place. It's nice to use it's altitude for better accuracy but if we are not dealing with large fluctuations like moving from a city to the top of a tall mountain it does not make a large difference on the outcome. Therefore, in regards to Bethabara, it's East - West placement is not important. It's proximity to the river Jordan is also not important. What is important is the North - South placement of the baptism of Jesus in relation to that of the two sites Al-Maghtas and Qasr al-Yahud. I believe that through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the approximate position of the baptism has been preserved. 

 

I believe that for Nazareth, the landmark corresponds to the exact position of the Annunciation which is North-East of Nazareth at the Orthodox Church of the Annunciation. We thus have only one geodetic point of interest at Nazareth. The same thing holds for Bethlehem where the birth of Jesus is marked by the position of the Church of the Nativity. In regards to Bethabara and Jerusalem , we can take Al-Maghtas and Qasr al-Yahud on one hand, and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and the Chapel of the Ascension on the other. We thus have four solutions for the mean 4 city -  New City cube width. If we multiply this by the square root of two(square diagonal) we end up in Greece at a modern settlement. These 4 solutions intersect the settlement and create a zone with a maximum North - South distance of roughly 230 feet. It is inside this zone that a feature of "New Jerusalem" lands, it is the central "square".

 

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Revelation 21.21

The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

και η πλατεια της πολεως χρυσιον καθαρον ως υαλος διαφανης

Great street, in the Greek text "plateia". In modern Greek, plateia usually refers to a place of gathering, a "square". To arrive to this square you naturally follow a street that crosses this square. 

 

Best Regards

Spiros

Edited January 8, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

On 12/28/2021 at 12:27 AM, OneLight said:

Really?  How do you read this scripture then?

Revelation 20:11

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

Now, continue on to Revelation 21:1 and read

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

Sure looks to me like the earth we now know will be no longer and we will have a new earth.

Hello OneLight,

 

Revelation 21.1

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Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

και ειδον ουρανον καινον και γην καινην ο γαρ πρωτος ουρανος και η πρωτη γη παρηλθεν και η θαλασσα ουκ εστιν ετι

 

New heaven and new earth in Greek is "kainos ouranos kai kaine ge":

 

ΚΑΙΝΟΣ ΟΥΡΑΝΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΙΝΗ ΓΗ = (20+1+10+50+70+200)+(70+400+100+1+50+70+200)+(20+1+10)+(20+1+10+50+8)+(3+8) = 1373

 

Using the New City geodetic methodology, we compute the mean half square diagonal of "New Nazareth" and "New Bethlehem". This symbolizes the pregnancy of Virgin Mary, when Jesus was an embryo. The isopsephy value of "embryon" in Greek is equal to that of "Virgin Mary"(Parthenos Maria):

 

ΕΜΒΡΥΟΝ = 5+40+2+100+400+70+50 = ΠΑΡΘΕΝΟΣ ΜΑΡΙΑ = (80+1+100+9+5+50+70+200)+(40+1+100+10+1) = 667

 

This diagonal is equal to 1,372,428 meters or 8,711 Stades. If we use isopsephy for "New Nazareth Bethlehem" we can compute the name of the "New Jerusalem" place in Greece.

Then we start to understand why there is "no more sea".

 

From Wikipedia I quote:

 

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The amniotic fluid is the protective liquid contained by the amniotic sac of a gravid amniote. This fluid serves as a cushion for the growing fetus, but also serves to facilitate the exchange of nutrients, water, and biochemical products between mother and fetus. For humans, the amniotic fluid is commonly called water or waters (Latin liquor amnii).

Nazareth in the North and Bethlehem in the South thus encompass the Holy Land which is the New Heaven and New Earth, enclosing Jerusalem, Bethabara/Bethany, and mount Tabor.  

 

Best Regards

Spiros

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

On 12/27/2021 at 5:40 PM, Marilyn C said:

That is a nonsense.

Hello Marilyn,

 

It makes sense.

12 Apostles

1 Christ

number  12

number 12+1 = 13

size of New Jerusalem = 12,000 furlongs

isopsephy sum of the names of the 12 Apostles plus Christ =  12,000 units

 

Revelation 21.11-12

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And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God.

 

A great and tall mountain. We use mount Helicon.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Helicon

 

We compute the isopsephy value of the name “Helicon” including the aspirate ‘H’:

 

ΗΕΛΙΚΩΝ = 8+5+30+10+20+800+50 = 923

12,000/13 = 923.0769..

 

 

The width of each one of the 6 square faces of the cube is 12,000 furlongs. If Jerusalem is stationed in the center of one face, then the distance to each one of the 4 corners of the same face is 12,000 furlongs divided by the square root of 2 which equals 8,485 furlongs. The distance between Jerusalem and Helicon is 8,488 furlongs.

 

New Jerusalem face half diagonal = 12,000 furlongs / 1.414213562 =  8,485 furlongs

Jerusalem Church of the Holy Sepulchre to mount Helicon distance = 8,488 furlongs

1 furlong = 1 Stadion  = 157.555 m

 

In the same geographical region there is another mountain, mount Cithaeron.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cithaeron

 

We compute the isopsephy value of the word “Cithaeron”:

 

ΚΙΘΑΙΡΩΝ = 20+10+9+1+10+100+800+50 = 1,000

12,000 / 12 = 1,000

 

Best Regards

Spiros

Edited January 9, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

JohnR7 brought up Apostle Paul’s words regarding Abraham:

 

Galatians 3.5-9

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Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

 

I draw the “New Hebron” cube centered at the Cave of the Patriarchs – Hebron. Using the geodetic “New Jerusalem” methodology yeilds a width for the cube of 11,814 Stadions.

 

The corner of the square base aligns with New Jerusalem in Hellas. This thus relates to Gentiles by faith being the sons of Abraham.

 

https://i.postimg.cc/kXnbcGwF/kaine-hebron1.jpg

 

Hebron is the Judaism's second holiest city.

 

Quoting Wikipedia:

 

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The Cave of the Patriarchs or Tomb of the Patriarchs, known to Jews as the Cave of Machpelah and to Muslims as the Sanctuary of, is a series of caves situated 30 kilometres south of Jerusalem in the heart of the Old City of Hebron in the West Bank. According to the Abrahamic religions, the cave and adjoining field were purchased by Abraham as a burial plot, although most historians believe the Abraham-Isaac-Jacob narrative to be primarily mythological.

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

Jews in Brooklyn(I use Google Earth data):

 

The Northern border of Brooklyn New York

 coordinates: 40.739144° N, 73.954569° W , altitude = 2 m

 

The New cube size of this point is 3,059,054 m.

 

The Southern border of Brooklyn New York

 coordinates: 40.569838° N, 74.002097° W , altitude = 0 m

 

The New cube size of this point is 3,034,681 m.

 

The average (North-South) New Brooklyn cube width is therefore 3,046,868 meters.

 

The volume V of this cube is:

 

V = w x w x w = 28,285,308,435,506,484,032 cubic meters

 

We equate this volume to that of a sphere. The radius of the sphere is:

 

R = cubic root(3xV/(4xpi)) = 1,890,126 meters = 11,997 furlongs

 

The size of the Jerusalem Zion Gate cube is 11,996 furlongs

 

The two places in Brooklyn with the largest Jewish minority are Borough Park and Crown Heights. If we take the middle of these two coordinates we have a corresponding cube size of 3,046,726 meters. Using the same cube to sphere methodology leads to a Jerusalem cube of  11,996 furlongs.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

In this post I showed the relationship between the 12 tribes of Israel and the name Demetrios.

 

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/270878-no-holy-spirit-in-the-great-tribulation-the-sealing-and-assignment-of-144k-hebrew-and-2-witnesses-means-church-era-is-over/?page=3#comment-3471742

 

But in Revelation we find another group of 12, it is the 12 precious stones. 

 

Revelation 21.19-21

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The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.

και οι θεμελιοι του τειχους της πολεως παντι λιθω τιμιω κεκοσμημενοι ο θεμελιος ο πρωτος ιασπις ο δευτερος σαπφειρος ο τριτος χαλκηδων ο τεταρτος σμαραγδος ο πεμπτος σαρδονυξ ο εκτος σαρδιος ο εβδομος χρυσολιθος ο ογδοος βηρυλλος ο ενατος τοπαζιον ο δεκατος χρυσοπρασος ο ενδεκατος υακινθος ο δωδεκατος αμεθυστος 21 και οι δωδεκα πυλωνες δωδεκα μαργαριται ανα εις εκαστος των πυλωνων ην εξ ενος μαργαριτου και η πλατεια της πολεως χρυσιον καθαρον ως υαλος διαφανης

In Greek the isopsephy sum of the names of the 12 precious stones is 12,392.

jasper + sapphire + chalcedony + emerald + sardonyx + sardius + chrysolite + beryl + topaz + chrysoprase + jacinth + amethyst = 

ΙΑΣΠΙΣ + ΣΑΠΦΕΙΡΟΣ + ΧΑΛΚΗΔΩΝ + ΣΜΑΡΑΓΔΟΣ + ΣΑΡΔΟΝΥΞ + ΣΑΡΔΙΟΣ + ΧΡΥΣΟΛΙΘΟΣ + ΒΗΡΥΛΛΟΣ + ΤΟΠΑΖΙΟΝ + ΧΡΥΣΟΠΡΑΣΟΣ + ΥΑΚΙΝΘΟΣ + ΑΜΕΘΥΣΤΟΣ = 

(10+1+200+80+10+200) + (200+1+80+500+5+10+100+70+200) + (600+1+30+20+8+4+800+50) + (200+40+1+100+1+3+4+70+200) + (200+1+100+4+70+50+400+60) + (200+1+100+4+10+70+200) + (600+100+400+200+70+30+10+9+70+200) + (2+8+100+400+30+30+70+200) + (300+70+80+1+7+10+70+50) + (600+100+400+200+70+80+100+1+200+70+200) + (400+1+20+10+50+9+70+200) + (1+40+5+9+400+200+300+70+200) = 12,392

 

This means that the average isopsephy value of each one of the 12 stones can be found by dividing by 12:

 

avg(stone) = 12,392/12 = 1,032.66...

 

This number rounds to the integer 1033. But this is the isopsephy value of the name Anatasios(Anastasius).

 

ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΟΣ = 1+50+1+200+300+1+200+10+70+200 = 1,033

 

Quoting Wikipedia:

 

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Saint Anastasius of Persia (whose given name was Magundat), was originally a Zoroastrian soldier in the Sasanian army. He later became a convert to Christianity and was martyred in 628. Anastasius was born in the city of Ray. He was the son of a Magian named Bau. He had a brother whose name is unknown. He was a cavalryman in the army of Khosrow II (r. 590–628) and participated in capture of the True Cross in Jerusalem, which was carried to the Sasanian capital Ctesiphon. The occasion prompted him to ask for information about the Christian religion. He then experienced a conversion of faith, left the army, became a Christian, and afterwards a monk at the monastery of Saint Savvas (Mar Saba) in Jerusalem. He was baptized by Modestus, receiving the Christian name Anastasius to honor the resurrection of Jesus Christ ("Anástasis" in Greek)....Finally, with seventy others, he was strangled to death and decapitated on January 22, 628. 

 

I have shown that the position of mount Damavand, the tallest mountain in Iran, aligns with the dimensions of the New Jerusalem cube. The birth place of Saint Anastasius, Ray, on the Southern outskirts of modern day Teheran, is 46 miles away from Damavand. This distance is in the ballpark in relation to what is encoded in Revelation for New Jerusalem and the tall mountain in Greece. It is similar. 

 

The Jesus(Iesous, ΙΗΣΟΥΣ) number of 888 leads us to Egypt and to a "New City" cube size(square) width of 1,667,108 meters. 

 

If we compute the "New Ray" cube size we will see it is 2,356,188 m. If we divide this by the square root of 2 we get a square half diagonal of 1,666,077 meters. Actually, the position of the ancient city of Ray, Persia perfectly relates to the pyramid that is a geometrical depiction, an "prototype" of New Jerusalem. The Teheran name in Greek (ΤΕΧΕΡΑΝΗ), through isopsephy actually relates geodetically to Nazareth,  and also equals the value of the phrase "The Triadic God" (Ο ΤΡΙΑΔΙΚΟΣ ΘΕΟΣ).

 

[Spiros]

In another message board someone posted a photo of the increasing gas prices. I noticed how these relate to the size of a theoretical “New Bethlehem” and “New Nazareth”.

 

https://i.postimg.cc/fLHDg362/gas-New-Bethlehem-New-Nazareth.jpg

 

New Bethlehem cube size = 1,882,043 meters

New Nazareth cube size = 1,999,248 meters

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

It seem that as one can see in the Google Earth photo below, the borders of the Ukraine are pretty much well defined using the center cube to corner New Jerusalem notion and the center face of the cube to the opposite corners of New Jerusalem. In both cases the distance is measured in regards to Jerusalem. It is thus the perfect country to relate to the size of New Jerusalem.

 

https://i.postimg.cc/Cxmh9wRj/Ukraine003.jpg

[Revelation Man]

On 5/13/2021 at 8:32 PM, Spiros said:

I'd like to present my theory regarding the size of New Jerusalem. I previously posted this in a wrong section(Worthy Welcome) so I am creating a new thread here. Since it is against the  forum rules to upload photos from ones website, I will be uploading some diagrams to an image hosting site so that I can show them here.

 

Revelation 21.2,10,16

It is possible that God gave us the exact measurement, and it will stay that way forever. The way God uses numbers however, we have to understand He wants us to know but not the world, that is why Jesus stated he spoke unto the disciples in parables after all.

So, 3 is Gods number, 7 means perfect completion, 6 means man. The number 8 = New Beginnings, 10 = Completion and the number 12 = Fulness. Whenever God' times these numbers against each other, He is adding added emphasis, especially when both number represent the same thing. For instance, God says he has saved for Himself 7000 men, and He also says there will by 12,000 Jews from each tribe which are 12 in and of them selves. So, which is it? 144,000 or 7000? What of they both mean the exact same thing? 

So, 12 (fulness) x 12 x 10 (completeness) x 10 x 10 = 144,000 and imho, God is shouting t us that this is ALL Israel.  And 7 (Divine Completeness) x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000, or ALL Israel who repent.

We also have the 10 Commandments as a stand in for all God's laws. We have the 10 plagues of Egypt, we have in Rev. 2:10 the Church of Smyrna who will have tribulation 10 days (thus fir the complete church age). We have the 10 Horns and 10 Toes of Daniel, which means ALL Europe, not 10 nations. We also have the phrases of 10,000 x 10,000 in Rev. 9, which I think means the whole host of Heaven, the Angels et al. We see the 7 eyes and 7 spirits represent God seeing all and being omnipotent. 

So, from my studies, the 144,000 is simply God simplifying what we need to know from what we do not always need to know in full. In thin the 12,000 x 12,000 x 12,000 in each direction, then the 144,000 around the walls is just God telling us, its going to be as big as it needs to be, it will be complete. 

God and His codes in the book of Revelation are fascinating.