God is not looking for clever and smart people but those willing and obedient.

[Michael37]

9 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

Indeed. God is not looking for our ability, but our availability. Surely if he wants for a job He will equip us to perform.

Known as God's Tool Box:

1Co 1:26-31  For you see your calling, brothers, that not many are wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, and not many noble;  

• (27)  but God chose the foolish things of the world that he might put to shame those who are wise.
• God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;  
• (28)  and God chose the lowly things of the world, and the things that are despised, and the things that don’t exist, that he might bring to nothing the things that exist,  (29)  that no flesh should boast before God.  

(30)  Because of him, you are in Christ Jesus, who was made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:  (31)  that, according as it is written, “He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord."

eg. David v. Goliath, Mustard Seed, Crucifixion.

[Who me]

6 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Sure.

Just saying there r many smart clever n rich people in this world, God didnt use.

unfortunately there are plenty of Christians whose response to a question is " just have faith!" as if that is the only possible response.

Often lead by preachers who teach that because they cannot teach how to respond intelligently.

[R. Hartono]

18 hours ago, Who me said:

unfortunately there are plenty of Christians whose response to a question is " just have faith!" as if that is the only possible response.

Often lead by preachers who teach that because they cannot teach how to respond intelligently.

Faith is the first n separated from IQ. 

Peter walked on the water by faith, later he used his intelligence n sinked.

[Who me]

On 5/30/2021 at 1:52 AM, R. Hartono said:

Faith is the first n separated from IQ. 

Peter walked on the water by faith, later he used his intelligence n sinked.

 

Reread acts with a view to noting just how often it is mentioned that they debated with the Jews, proving that Jesus was the Christ and that he must suffer etc.

 

Why does Paul say that we are to defeat every contrary view, idea etc 

 

None of this is by faith but by knowledge of the Bible and through reasoning.

 

Yes we need faith, faith in the historical facts of Jesus' death and resurrection.

 

As Paul say in Corinthians if Jesus is not raised from the dead, we are still in our sins.

 

No literal factual resurrection there is no Christianity.

[Whyme]

27 minutes ago, Who me said:

 

Reread acts with a view to noting just how often it is mentioned that they debated with the Jews, proving that Jesus was the Christ and that he must suffer etc.

 

Why does Paul say that we are to defeat every contrary view, idea etc 

 

None of this is by faith but by knowledge of the Bible and through reasoning.

 

Yes we need faith, faith in the historical facts of Jesus' death and resurrection.

 

As Paul say in Corinthians if Jesus is not raised from the dead, we are still in our sins.

 

No literal factual resurrection there is no Christianity.

Is biblical knowledge intellectual? Or is it more of a moral guide in Spirituality? Its full of knowledge but if knowledge is intellectualism than a plumber is an intellectual. I dont know, just pondering it.

[Starise]

God uses all kinds of people. He used a lawyer, a fisherman, a tax collector.

The fact that God chose to send Jesus to a small manger as the very first place He would be should say something about His approach to us. The fact that Jesus ministered to and healed what society would consider to be the lowliest of men (and women) should show us He made the decision long ago to come in the back door of society. He was not to be found in palaces until he was taken to Pilot. Jesus works from the bottom up with only a few notable men who He dealt with. His focus was on the "common" man. 

This does not change once we are in heaven. God said to the thief on the cross. This day you shall be with me in paradise. He didn't say, "Hey after we get to heaven I'll hook you up with my servants to take care of you". No, He made it personal. 

I have been in the company of many men society looks up to and you know what? Once you get past the facade, the title and the money they are just like any other man. They need the Lord, they have many of the same concerns and problems.They have families and many of the same day to day concerns.  They get sick, they die.

I believe God calls all men, smart, no so smart, rich, poor and everything in between, yet Jesus Himself is a man who loves all men. To him who much is given much is expected. Intellect is a gift as any other and should be used to glorify God. God can use all men who submit to Him.

Matt 11:29-

Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle at heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

We are all different so the Lord says-

2 Cor. 10:12

For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Only God knows the measure of a man. It has nothing to do with credentials, intellect or education.

He will use whatever we have if we will get out of the way.

 

[Sower]

7 hours ago, Whyme said:

Is biblical knowledge intellectual? Or is it more of a moral guide in Spirituality? Its full of knowledge but if knowledge is intellectualism than a plumber is an intellectual. I dont know, just pondering it.

"Is biblical knowledge intellectual?"

I believe Whyme, the bible is the word.
It is light/truth. God is light.

"Thy 'word' have I hid in my heart that I may not sin against thee"

Downloading the light of the word chases out darkness, the lies of the enemy.
More light in the hard drive(mind), less darkness. True thinking evolves.
It is smart, for any IQ level..

Would work on Einstein, or a little child.

Thanks Whyme.......

PS;   Seven to ten years as (apprentice-journeyman) just to apply for  a Master Plumbing license.
  (more than some doctors/lawyers)

[Whyme]

6 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said:

There is nothing degrading about the profession of being a plumber.  Furthermore, I have the utmost respect for anyone's work no matter if it's considered to be "prestigious" or not. 

 

My goodness, i was not degrading plumbers. Show me where i did that please. They have knowledge and skill same as others do, i was just saying having plumbing knowledge doesnt make you intellectual. My point being not all knowledge is considered intellectualism. I feel as if you are falsely accusing me of degrading others.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Whyme

[Whyme]

6 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said:

PS:

Romans 12:16 "Live in harmony with each other. Don't be too proud to enjoy the company of ordinary people. And don't think you know it all!"

I am an ordinary person. 

[Whyme]

37 minutes ago, Sower said:

"Is biblical knowledge intellectual?"

I believe Whyme, the bible is the word.
It is light/truth. God is light.

"Thy 'word' have I hid in my heart that I may not sin against thee"

Downloading the light of the word chases out darkness, the lies of the enemy.
More light in the hard drive(mind), less darkness. True thinking evolves.
It is smart, for any IQ level..

Would work on Einstein, or a little child.

Thanks Whyme.......

PS;   Seven to ten years as (apprentice-journeyman) just to apply for  a Master Plumbing license.
  (more than some doctors/lawyers)

Thank you for answering my question and not accusing me of degrading others.