Demonic powers behind new voter suppression laws

[other one]

In oklahoma you can use a social security card as an ID when you register.  You are then given a voter card.   I don't know anyone who can legally vote that doesn't have a social security card.

[Whyme]

On 5/30/2021 at 8:37 PM, Amigo42 said:

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that in all 50 States non-US citizens can't vote.  Don't think that's a real issue.

Im not wrong and every citizen can obtain ID without a problem. having ID laws are crucial to protecting the integrity of our voting system.  Its common sense. It should be insulting to minorities to suggest they cant get an ID. They can vote but not get an ID? 

Edited June 2, 2021 by Whyme

[Amigo42]

On 5/31/2021 at 9:06 AM, johnthebaptist said:

It's not easy to catch people voting fraudulently. That doesn't mean they aren't doing it. Why are you afraid of laws that would make it more difficult to vote fraudulently?

It's not that.  It's that these laws are specifically designed to limit minority voters or at a minimum discourage them from voting.  After Obama won a surprise victory in NC in 2008, the Republican legislature commissioned a study to find out how African Americans voted in the State.  Then the Legislature made voter restrictions to target these ways.  A judge said of the law that the Republicans targeted African Americans with surgical precision.  In Georgia also a law was passed that made it illegal to give food and water to those waiting in long lines for hours.  What does that have to do with fraud?

Edited June 2, 2021 by Amigo42

[Still Alive]

On 5/30/2021 at 1:19 PM, Amigo42 said:

It's very sad to see so many States passing these new corrupt voter suppression laws, which let's all be clear, are only to suppress the votes of minority and democratic votes.  It's also so sad to see these grown up politicians being so obsequious and shaking in their pants to the point of soiling themselves by fear of the Orange man down in Mar a Lago.  This was the most secure election in US history considering the profound ways that covid changed the country.  Even so, the true patriots who love our country came together to stop four more years of a man who loves dictators and the South American style of governance.

The BIG Lie is just that a BIG lie that some sadly even in the Christian community support.  No one who doesn't want to be looked at as ignorant would believe that the President didn't win handily.  I believe God was making a major statement.  Look at the numbers.  Joe Biden won by 306-232.  It was the exact same margin the previous winner won by except he lost by the same number in 2020.  It's as if God was saying that he was making a complete reversal.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that that was sarcasm.

[Still Alive]

On 5/30/2021 at 8:37 PM, Amigo42 said:

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that in all 50 States non-US citizens can't vote.  Don't think that's a real issue.

How are they stopped from voting?

[Still Alive]

On 5/30/2021 at 8:42 PM, LadyKay said:

Do you have any prove that non citizens have voted?  You do know you have to be register to vote. You just can't show up at the poles and be allowed to vote.  You all do know how this works don't you?

The 2020 election is a bit like a bank robbery. The vault is empty, but some are arguing that it was not robbed because nobody has "proven" HOW it was robbed. But then, there seems to have been little effort to find out. But the actual stats regarding the election are proof of an "empty vault". We're still just wondering how it was done. And courts refusing to listen to arguments doesn't help.

Let us see how the AZ audit goes. Investigations of things like this don't take days or weeks. They take months or years. The important thing is that trust in our elections returns. One way to do that is to ensure people can not vote twice, or vote illegally. In many states, the "honor system" is all they have. That's not enough.

[Still Alive]

What laws are voter "supression" laws? What are the attributes of a voter "suppression" law vs a simple "voter ID" law? 

[Still Alive]

On 5/31/2021 at 2:23 AM, Omegaman 3.0 said:

From the SS website:

"Generally, only noncitizens authorized to work in the United States by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) can get a Social Security number. Social Security numbers are used to report a person’s wages to the government and to determine a person’s eligibility for Social Security benefits. You need a Social Security number to work, collect Social Security benefits, and receive other government services."

I'm old enough to remember that when SS was created, we were told that your number could never be used as a general purpose ID. It's why I only give it out to the IRS and potential employers who will be withholding SS.

[Still Alive]

On 5/30/2021 at 8:50 PM, LadyKay said:

They don't just want ID laws. (which most states already have) But they also want to limit mail, early in-person voting.  Limit  hours. Eliminate drive-through voting.  And a few other things that I don't have time to look up right now.  

I think all of those are great ideas except when limiting hours prevents the precinct voting location from serving all voters. 

The limit on mail voting is simple and practical. You only get an absentee ballot if you request one. The mailing out of millions of unrequested absentee or mail in ballots is  a massive back door for voter fraud. I understand that one of the things they are looking for in AZ is mail in ballots without a fold - which would prove they are fraudulent. I've heard rumors they've found quite a few, but only rumors. I'm watching this audit closely to see if they find any clear smoking gun there.

[Still Alive]

On 5/31/2021 at 2:19 AM, Omegaman 3.0 said:

However, it does seem to me only Democrats who want secure voting safeguards, why is that?

That statement confuses me. It seems that you meant to say "republicans" or meant to say "don't want". But correct me if I'm wrong. 

I see democrats wanting some sort of honor system regarding voting. 

BTW, where I vote, I have to show my license when I vote AND sign the lign with my name on it. And this is true even though the lady asking for my ID is my neighbor.

And that seems totally appropriate.