Confrontation - The imperative need and social bugaboo

[R. Hartono]

2 hours ago, appy said:

It seems to me this thread is somewhat in response to one of my posts elsewhere.

It is true that as believers, we carry an offensive message; no doubt about that. But we do NOT need to carry our offensive message “offensively”. Yes, unbeliever's need to know what sin is and what it is not, but our “message” should not be all law, judgment, and condemnation before they can see and taste God's goodness and what God has in store for them.

When we try to change an unbeliever's morals, Instead of letting the Holy Spirit change their hearts from within. They are more likely to give a false confession of faith just to get the admonisher off their back. If they don't truly believe in their heart, the confession of faith is empty because they don't truly believe.

This doesn't have anything to do with coddling them and giving their sins a nod of approval. It is NOT our job to convict people of sin, and change their moral views. It is also NOT our job to attempt to keep unbelievers from sinning, either. That is the job of the Holy Spirit.

It is important to choose our words and actions with care and compassion, so that they can see a side of Christianity they've never experienced. The message is the same for homosexuals as it is for anyone else. That God loved them, so much He sent His only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to suffer and die for them! So they could have forgiveness and eternal life with Him in heaven. That Jesus had not stayed in the grave after his death, but had risen from the dead!

 

You hv some good points for consideration.

I am not sure we can just change people to believe in Jesus by pointing our finger n tell them to repent using big speakers on the street.

Street preachers Will be arrested in this nation as its offensive to religious tolerance n radical.

Without religious tolerance nations Will be destroyed like Syria.

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by R. Hartono

[appy]

13 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

You hv some good points for consideration.

I am not sure we can just change people to believe in Jesus by pointing our finger n tell them to repent using big speakers on the street.

Street preachers Will be arrested in this nation as its offensive to religious tolerance n radical.

 

The location is not the issue Hartono, but how and the why, we as Christians speak to unbelievers when sharing the gospel.

[R. Hartono]

4 minutes ago, appy said:

The location is not the issue Hartono, but how and the why, we as Christians speak to unbelievers when sharing the gospel.

Hi

Paul was not allowed to go to Asia by Holy Spirit, location the issue ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[appy]

28 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Hi

Paul was not allowed to go to Asia by Holy Spirit, location the issue ?

Hartono,

Riverwalker opened up with unbelievers themselves refusing to hear the gospel, and wanting to remain in their sinful lives, even though as Christians we know that is the wrong choice. Unbeliever's don't like hearing the gospel, because to them, the gospel message is  offensive, because it goes against their philosophies and ideals.  It also convicts them of unrighteousness. 

 

[appy]

@R. Hartono

As for Paul not going to Asia, it wasn't a permanent command because eventually the gospel was preached in Asia, and everywhere his converts went. Not only did his converts spread the gospel in Asia, but Paul himself also preached the gospel in Asia. God wanted them to go somewhere else right at that moment instead of into Asia. The timing was of God's timing. The point of Paul not going to Asia, was that he was urgently needed in Macedonia first.

Acts 16:6 – 10

⁶ Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. ⁷ When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to. ⁸ So they passed by Mysia and went down to Troas. ⁹ During the night Paul had a vision of a man of Macedonia standing and begging him, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.” ¹⁰ After Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at once to leave for Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.

 

 

[Slug1]

3 hours ago, appy said:

It seems to me this thread is somewhat in response to one of my posts elsewhere.

It is true that as believers, we carry an offensive message; no doubt about that. But we do NOT need to carry our offensive message “offensively”. Yes, unbeliever's need to know what sin is and what it is not, but our “message” should not be all law, judgment, and condemnation before they can see and taste God's goodness and what God has in store for them.

When we try to change an unbeliever's morals, Instead of letting the Holy Spirit change their hearts from within. They are more likely to give a false confession of faith just to get the admonisher off their back. If they don't truly believe in their heart, the confession of faith is empty because they don't truly believe.

This doesn't have anything to do with coddling them and giving their sins a nod of approval. It is NOT our job to convict people of sin, and change their moral views. It is also NOT our job to attempt to keep unbelievers from sinning, either. That is the job of the Holy Spirit.

It is important to choose our words and actions with care and compassion, so that they can see a side of Christianity they've never experienced. The message is the same for homosexuals as it is for anyone else. That God loved them, so much He sent His only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to suffer and die for them! So they could have forgiveness and eternal life with Him in heaven. That Jesus had not stayed in the grave after his death, but had risen from the dead!

 

Hooah! At the end of the day, we're to plant seeds and water that seed or water seeds planted by other's who witnessed Christ. However, a person comes along pointing out sin in voice/heart of condemnation... God can't work with that because no watering was done. Many times, the greatest watering Christians can do, is just "walk" and live the message of Christ and "be" Christ-like. Such action fosters opportunity for witnessing (communicating/shining) Christ upon others.

[appy]

2 minutes ago, Slug1 said:

Hooah! At the end of the day, we're to plant seeds and water that seed or water seeds planted by other's who witnessed Christ. However, a person comes along pointing out sin in voice/heart of condemnation... God can't work with that because no watering was done. Many times, the greatest watering Christians can do, is just "walk" and live the message of Christ and "be" Christ-like. Such action fosters opportunity for witnessing (communicating/shining) Christ upon others.

True, being an example and talking about the gospel, go hand in hand.

[Riverwalker]

 

13 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Preaching the good news and convicting people of their sin is not the same thing. 

The need to repent is part of the good news. And the word is not convicting. The word is explaining

[Riverwalker]

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It seems to me this thread is somewhat in response to one of my posts elsewhere.

 

This was not aimed at anyone in particular but a growing trend I am seeing in many places. "We must not hurt their feelings or they will reject God" or "Don't say anything that might offend them, Just love them" is nonsense

Jesus called himself a stone of offense, and if they call us haters, it is because they hate the truth...and THAT is why they reject God

2 Timothy 4:2

Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Riverwalker

[Sower]

4 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

I am not sure we can just change people to believe in Jesus by pointing our finger n tell them to repent using big speakers on the street.

Street preachers Will be arrested in this nation as its offensive to religious tolerance n radical.

Without religious tolerance nations Will be destroyed like Syria.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me"

It's not complicated to go and share the truth with love. Leave the results with God.
But you have to go...