Is marrying a divorcee biblical?

[Desopixi Seilynam]

23 hours ago, Josheb said:

By this reasoning the laws requiring recompense for theft "allow" theft.

"Thou shalt not steal." is a law, therefore recompense of the theft is specifically recompense of transgression. There is no "thou shalt not have sex before marriage".

 

Note also that for the verses in relation to theft, it is about punishments for the theft.
Note that in the case of Exodus 22:16 a punishment is not pronounced, but instead the man gets to marry and continue having sex with the girl he enticed.

Edited July 13, 2021 by Desopixi Seilynam

[David1701]

7 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

If two fall in love, have sex with each other and then never have sex with anyone else for as long as they live, that is fornication simply because they have not gone through a ceremony?  No it is not.

 

The verses given clearly back up that notion.

If you entice a maid that is not betrothed and lie with her,
you shall surely endow her to be your wife.
Exodus 22:16.

There it is written down in scripture; sex before the ceremony,
it's ok so long as marriage (which is not a ceremony, but rather a life long commitment to each other) happens.

The verse you have quoted says precisely NOTHING about it being "ok" to fornicate; rather, it says that, if you do, you need to "endow her to be your wife".

The wedding is the ceremony, the marriage is for life.

[David1701]

6 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

? Sex is the union. All they did is have sex? ?
Sex is the union, literally and spiritually.

Let me state it in another way, the sex itself is the marriage, as far as God is concerned, therefore the two are not to part and there should be a public marriage as well.

Good grief!  Sexual intercourse is not marriage!!!

If a married man or woman has sexual relations with someone who is not the spouse, then the sin is adultery, not bigamy!

If a man rapes a woman, does that mean that they are now married?!  No, of course not!  Would she be considered an adulteress, if she refused to marry the man who raped her, then married someone else?  No, of course not!

You haven't thought this through at all, have you?

[Desopixi Seilynam]

17 hours ago, David1701 said:

Good grief!  Sexual intercourse is not marriage!!!

If a married man or woman has sexual relations with someone who is not the spouse, then the sin is adultery, not bigamy!

If a man rapes a woman, does that mean that they are now married?!  No, of course not!  Would she be considered an adulteress, if she refused to marry the man who raped her, then married someone else?  No, of course not!

You haven't thought this through at all, have you?

"And Jacob loved Rachel and said I will serve you seven years
for Rachel your daughter.  [after the seven years]
Jacob said, give me my wife, for the seven years are over, that I may go in unto her.
And Laban made a feast.
And in the evening Laban took Leah his daughter and brought her to Jacob,
and Jacob went in unto her.
And it came to pass that in the morning behold it was Leah.
And Jacob said to Laban, what is this that you have done to me?
Did I not serve thee for Rachel? Why then have you deceived me?"
Genesis 29:18-25
 

No wedding ceremony between Leah and Jacob took place.
The intercourse determined that Leah would have to be his wife too.
And so both Leah and Rachel became his wives.

That intercourse is the primary bond of marriage is evident in scripture:

"If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger:
her husband's brother shall (1.) go in unto her, (2.) and take her to him to wife"
Deuteronomy 25:5

"When you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you have desire unto her, that you would have her as wife, then you shall bring her home to your house; and she shall shave her head and trim her nails.. 
and she shall mourn her father and mother for one month;
and after that you shall go in unto her,
and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife."
Deuteronomy 21:13

From these passages we see that intercourse
is the primary bond of the marriage, not a ceremony.

You are defining fornication as intercourse before a marriage ceremony,
but that is simply not the Bible's definition.
Regarding intercourse, according to scripture,
fornication would be intercourse without marriage,
because two who have had intercourse must also get married. Exodus 22:16
 

[Heleadethme]

6 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"And Jacob loved Rachel and said I will serve you seven years
for Rachel your daughter.  [after the seven years]
Jacob said, give me my wife, for the seven years are over, that I may go in unto her.
And Laban made a feast.
And in the evening Laban took Leah his daughter and brought her to Jacob,
and Jacob went in unto her.
And it came to pass that in the morning behold it was Leah.
And Jacob said to Laban, what is this that you have done to me?
Did I not serve thee for Rachel? Why then have you deceived me?"
Genesis 29:18-25
 

No wedding ceremony between Leah and Jacob took place.
The intercourse determined that Leah would have to be his wife too.
And so both Leah and Rachel became his wives.

That intercourse is the primary bond of marriage is evident in scripture:

"If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger:
her husband's brother shall (1.) go in unto her, (2.) and take her to him to wife"
Deuteronomy 25:5

"When you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you have desire unto her, that you would have her as wife, then you shall bring her home to your house; and she shall shave her head and trim her nails.. 
and she shall mourn her father and mother for one month;
and after that you shall go in unto her,
and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife."
Deuteronomy 21:13

From these passages we see that intercourse
is the primary bond of the marriage, not a ceremony.

You are defining fornication as intercourse before a marriage ceremony,
but that is simply not the Bible's definition.
Regarding intercourse, according to scripture,
fornication would be intercourse without marriage,
because two who have had intercourse must also get married. Exodus 22:16
 

Amen.  I think it's really the intention of one's heart that determines whether it is fornication or a marriage union (and if marriage is the intent we would want witnesses to that intention if possible, since everything is established by two or three witnesses). 

However since we happen to live in a society that has certain laws, and looks at things a certain way.....we are to avoid the appearance of evil, as well as obey the ordinances of man and governing authorities, so in our society as believers we would need to get a marriage licence and at least have a civil ceremony to make it an official and legal marriage, in my opinion.  We dont' live unto ourselves alone.

[Guest clancy]

If you are living together as man and wife, yet don’t have a marriage certificate, 

Would that be glorifying God?

[Starise]

2 hours ago, clancy said:

If you are living together as man and wife, yet don’t have a marriage certificate, 

Would that be glorifying God?

I have thought about this and wondered if a man and woman decided to be together as husband and wife if that would be a consummation in itself. As @Heleadethme stated, I think the culture comes into consideration as far as the customs, laws and property ownership are concerned.

If say, they lived 200 years ago in North America and 'hooked up' with the both of them deciding to live together and in a personal covenant they decided to live as husband and wife I think they would be technically married, but even then in a small rural settlement with no pastor to marry them her parents need to be in the loop because that's their daughter. His parents should be made aware out of respect for them.

Technically they would be consummated without all of the hoopla. There might never be a piece of paper saying they were joined. It would simply the common knowledge in that small community.  In a situation like that they would still be married in the eyes of that settlement way out in the middle of nowhere. In the beginning God told men and women to be fruitful and multiply as family units.

If a Christian couple decided to live together indefinitely I think in this culture it has a negative effect if a formal instrument of recognition is not employed. For one thing in this culture if a man doesn't follow through with the formalities it shows a lack of commitment from him since he can simply walk away at any time. At the very least agree to go to the courthouse and get the proper document giving your wife access to all of the benefits of legal marriage.

Edited July 13, 2021 by Starise

[David1701]

11 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"And Jacob loved Rachel and said I will serve you seven years
for Rachel your daughter.  [after the seven years]
Jacob said, give me my wife, for the seven years are over, that I may go in unto her.
And Laban made a feast.
And in the evening Laban took Leah his daughter and brought her to Jacob,
and Jacob went in unto her.
And it came to pass that in the morning behold it was Leah.
And Jacob said to Laban, what is this that you have done to me?
Did I not serve thee for Rachel? Why then have you deceived me?"
Genesis 29:18-25
 

No wedding ceremony between Leah and Jacob took place.
The intercourse determined that Leah would have to be his wife too.
And so both Leah and Rachel became his wives.

That intercourse is the primary bond of marriage is evident in scripture:

"If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger:
her husband's brother shall (1.) go in unto her, (2.) and take her to him to wife"
Deuteronomy 25:5

"When you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you have desire unto her, that you would have her as wife, then you shall bring her home to your house; and she shall shave her head and trim her nails.. 
and she shall mourn her father and mother for one month;
and after that you shall go in unto her,
and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife."
Deuteronomy 21:13

From these passages we see that intercourse
is the primary bond of the marriage, not a ceremony.

You are defining fornication as intercourse before a marriage ceremony,
but that is simply not the Bible's definition.
Regarding intercourse, according to scripture,
fornication would be intercourse without marriage,
because two who have had intercourse must also get married. Exodus 22:16
 

Do you see where you quoted, "And Laban made a feast..."?  That would be the wedding feast...

A wedding needs to have witnesses (by the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every matter be established).  It is about a life-long, covenant commitment between a man and his wife, as a picture of Christ and his bride.

You would cheapen marriage, to make it just about physical passion.  That is sick.

Fornication is sex before marriage.  Everybody (except you, apparently) knows this.

Fornication cannot be "intercourse without marriage", because then you would have to wait to see if the two got married, in order to know whether or not they had sinned, when they had sex.  This is insane.

"Aha, we've waited seventy years, the two of you remained single, then one of you died; so, now we know that you committed fornication, on that day, seventy years ago."

Does this make sense to you, because I very much doubt if it does to anyone else?

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by David1701
removed suspicion

[Alive]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

That is sick; and I have my suspicions as to why you are doing it.

 

Crossing the line.--keep to the topic please.

[Guest clancy]

14 hours ago, Starise said:

I have thought about this and wondered if a man and woman decided to be together as husband and wife if that would be a consummation in itself. As @Heleadethme stated, I think the culture comes into consideration as far as the customs, laws and property ownership are concerned.

If say, they lived 200 years ago in North America and 'hooked up' with the both of them deciding to live together and in a personal covenant they decided to live as husband and wife I think they would be technically married, but even then in a small rural settlement with no pastor to marry them her parents need to be in the loop because that's their daughter. His parents should be made aware out of respect for them.

Technically they would be consummated without all of the hoopla. There might never be a piece of paper saying they were joined. It would simply the common knowledge in that small community.  In a situation like that they would still be married in the eyes of that settlement way out in the middle of nowhere. In the beginning God told men and women to be fruitful and multiply as family units.

If a Christian couple decided to live together indefinitely I think in this culture it has a negative effect if a formal instrument of recognition is not employed. For one thing in this culture if a man doesn't follow through with the formalities it shows a lack of commitment from him since he can simply walk away at any time. At the very least agree to go to the courthouse and get the proper document giving your wife access to all of the benefits of legal marriage.

For me personally, I gave my life,body, spirit to God The evening I was saved.

I have been married x2 as a non believer, I had sex outside of marriage with them both, because of my commitment, I had to remain faithful to them, I went through hell with both men, I couldn’t leave because I had pledged my self to them, the first husband committed adultery and ran off with his lover.

The second committed a terrible offence, therefore I had to divorce him, if he hadn’t done what he did, I would still be with him....I chose both my husbands, God didn’t, yet he allowed it to happen ,I had 3 wonderful sons..

 

I have been saved for around 30 yrs, as a born again, I believe it to be a sin to have sex outside of marriage, God instituted marriage, one should wait for God to bring you a husband/ wife, you will know in your spirit when he does, you should also abstain from premarital sex out of love and respect for God, a Christian who is not married and living in sin without a marriage certificate is not glorifying God.

That is my belief, sorry if it upsets anyone, but I have to be true to myself and faith.?

 

Another question, if you are living with a partner for all of those years, being truly committed to the one and only, there will never be another.

Then why don’t you get married?

Edited July 14, 2021 by clancy