Biden: Door to Door Vaccination Outreach Plan

[one.opinion]

35 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Good, then we are done.   You always deny evidence.

On the contrary, I love evidence. I do, however, ask for evidence to support claims and show where faulty conclusions have been drawn from evidence.

What I don't understand is why you think every health care organization in the US (and the world, for that matter) is lying and covering up the fact that fatalities are only 6% of what officials claim. It makes no sense.

51 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Remember when you said VAERS reporting was not accurate?   Here the CDC itself is saying that the Covid 19 deaths were not accurate and were greatly inflated

However, the CDC never said this. You are repeating a completely false claim based on dramatically skewed information.

This is what the CDC actually said:

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Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200817174827/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

To understand more of what this actually means, here is an article explaining this. Since it is unlikely you will read the link, I've copied and pasted the contents here.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/cdc-6-percent-covid-deaths

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The CDC's 6% COVID-19 Deaths Stat Is Causing Confusion on Social Media—Here Are the Facts

No, 94% of coronavirus deaths were not actually caused by something else.

By Claire Gillespie 

September 02, 2020

Last week, data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) revealed that only 6% of people who died of COVID-19 actually have COVID-19 on their death certificate. This has led to accusations that the agency has “back-pedalled” on the number of deaths caused by COVID-19. 

The conspiracy theory spread over the weekend, with “Only 6%” trending widely on Twitter. Even President Trump jumped on board, retweeting the suggestion that the CDC had updated its records to show that only 6% of US deaths linked to COVID-19 were genuine.

The original post from "Mel Q” was copied from someone else's Facebook post, which claimed that the CDC had "quietly" updated its numbers "to admit that only 6%" of people listed as coronavirus deaths "actually died from Covid," since "the other 94% had 2-3 other serious illnesses." It was later taken down by Twitter for violating rules of the platform.

The truth is, the data was part of the CDC’s latest regular update to a public statistics page on the pandemic—and it wasn’t published any “quieter” than normal. 

The so-called “back-pedaling” is also easily explained. “Death certificates list any causes or conditions that contributed to the death,” the CDC/NCHS Mortality Statistics Branch tells Health in a statement. These causes are entered into the death certificate by a physician, medical examiner, or coroner, and there may be more than one cause or condition listed.

“Any clinician who has had experience deciding on what to list as cause of death on a death certificate, as I have had to do for the past 15-plus years, understands that the diagnoses chosen involve a great deal of discretion and judgement,” Scott Braunstein, MD, medical director of Sollis Health LA, a concierge medicine provider, tells Health. “In most cases, there are multiple contributing diagnoses, and it is common practice to list more than one factor.”

This isn’t just an issue when COVID-19 is a factor. “Underlying diabetes or coronary artery disease are common diseases that contribute to mortality, even when the immediate trigger for death was pneumonia, influenza, or some other infectious process,” says Dr. Braunstein. 

While it’s true that in 6% of COVID-19-related deaths, COVID-19 was the only diagnosis listed on the death certificate, that’s only part of the picture. 

“Many clinicians will list the physiologic process which caused death,” says Dr. Braunstein. “For example, 55,000 of the death certificates had ‘respiratory failure’ listed as cause of death—we know that this is one of the most common mechanisms by which COVID-19 leads to death. We also know that in over 160,000 of the 180,000-plus deaths caused by COVID-19 in the US, COVID-19 was one of the diagnoses that was listed on the death certificate, and was felt to be the trigger for mortality.”   

The CDC has never hidden the fact that pre-existing health conditions can cause people to experience serious complications from COVID-19. 

If you look beyond the 6%, you’ll learn that as of August 22, there were 161,392 death certificates that listed COVID-19 as a cause of death. And if you do the math, you’ll see that in 94% of deaths with COVID-19, other conditions are listed in addition to COVID-19, including chronic conditions like diabetes or hypertension as well as acute conditions that occurred as a result of COVID-19, such as pneumonia or respiratory failure. 

“The reality is that COVID-19 likely has led to even a larger number of deaths than what is being reported, due to secondary effects of patients being isolated, unable to see their primary care physician or cardiologist in person, or being fearful to present to the ER for evaluation of their chest pain, dyspnea (shortness of breath), or even stroke symptoms,” says Dr. Braunstein. “It’s critical that we don’t allow misinformation to diminish the perception of the toll taken by the pandemic, most prominently the 180,000-plus lives lost in the US due to COVID-19.” 

Whatever is shared on social media, the advice from the CDC remains crystal clear. The best way to protect yourself and help reduce the spread of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 is to limit your interactions with other people as much as possible, wear a face mask and practice physical distancing when you do interact with others, wash your hands frequently, and seek medical attention if you start feeling sick and think you may have COVID-19. These precautions are even more important if you’re at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

 

Finally, you can look at these CDC numbers any time you wish (click here). The comorbidities include things like pneumonia, respiratory failure, and several categories of cardiac issues that are frequently and directly caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection. Other comorbidities include hypertension and diabetes, that are typically manageable, but are a bad combination with COVID.

[Sparks]

1 minute ago, one.opinion said:

On the contrary, I love evidence. I do, however, ask for evidence to support claims and show where faulty conclusions have been drawn from evidence.

Whatever.  You get the evidence and automatically deny it.   You do this across threads.  Not falling for it, today.

[Ozarkbound]

I see no point of continuing this conversation. When one individual has absolute trust in a government agency that has been caught in faulty info numerous times, there is just no use continuing. Nothing said will ever be enough, and any refuting evidence offered will be dismissed. I think there are better uses for my time.

Have a great weekend everyone. I suggest maybe helping someone in need or studying scripture rather continuing in the silly circle this thread has become.

[one.opinion]

12 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Whatever.  You get the evidence and automatically deny it.

Since your “evidence” is a badly mangled quote from the CDC that I have since clarified, yes - I deny it.

[Sparks]

1 minute ago, one.opinion said:

Since your “evidence” is a badly mangled quote from the CDC that I have since clarified, yes - I deny it.

Whatever. 

[one.opinion]

13 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

When one individual has absolute trust in a government agency that has been caught in faulty info numerous times, there is just no use continuing.

The CDC data is based on what is reported by States and ultimately, local communities. The data is not drawn from thin air and is all verifiable.

13 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

Have a great weekend everyone.

One individual wishes you a great weekend, too! :-)

[Slug1]

On 7/9/2021 at 3:56 PM, one.opinion said:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I found this today. From page one:

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ALABAMA AMERICA’S FRONTLINE DOCTORS, et al., Plaintiffs, vs. XAVIER BECERRA, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, et al., Defendants. ________________________________________ ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) Civil Action No. 2:21-cv-00702-CLM *********************************************** PLAINTIFFS MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION

Then on page 41:

Case 2:21-cv-00702-CLM Document 15 Filed 07/19/21 Page 41 of 67

D. Whistleblower Testimony: 45,000 Deaths Caused by the Vaccines Plaintiffs’ expert Jane Doe45 is a computer programmer with subject matter expertise in the healthcare data analytics field, and access to Medicare and Medicaid data maintained by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) (see Declaration of Jane Doe at Exhibit D). Over the last 20 years, she has developed over 100 distinct healthcare fraud detection algorithms for use in the public and private sectors. In her expert opinion, VAERS under-reports deaths caused by the Vaccines by a conservative factor of at least 5. As of July 9, 2021, VAERS reported 9,048 deaths associated with the Vaccines. Jane Doe queried data from CMS medical claims, and has determined that the number of deaths occurring with 3 days of injection with the Vaccines exceeds those reported by VAERS by a factor of at least 5, indicating that the true number of deaths caused by the Vaccines is at least 45,000. She notes that in the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine campaign (in which 25% of the U.S. population at that time, 55 million Americans, were vaccinated), the Swine Flu vaccine was deemed dangerous and unsafe, and removed from the market, even though the vaccine resulted in only 53 deaths....>snip<

Here is the link which is a PDF of the form:

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrEeSW_cfdgnGoAbwcnnIlQ;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZANDMjAxNF8xBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1626858047/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fradiopatriot.files.wordpress.com%2f2021%2f07%2fcdc-45000-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-law-suit.pdf/RK=2/RS=8sUAOqx7zE47qKhr0PnYJjTPpv8-

or: https://renz-law.com/45k-whistleblower-suit

[other one]

even if your numbers are correct, 45.000 out of 55 million is .08% deaths.   The virus has killed 2% of the people that has had the infection and come to some conclusion.    It's still much safer to take the vaccine.  

 

I have a question.   Considering it's safer to take the vaccine, why is it so important to speak badly about the vaccines when no one is forcing you to take the shots?

[one.opinion]

11 hours ago, Slug1 said:

Jane Doe queried data from CMS medical claims, and has determined that the number of deaths occurring with 3 days of injection with the Vaccines exceeds those reported by VAERS by a factor of at least 5, indicating that the true number of deaths caused by the Vaccines is at least 45,000.

So the claim is that the vaccine has killed 45,000 people, but the entire medical community (including the Doctors of "America's Frontline Doctors") is involved in a MASSIVE cover-up to silence that? As we have ALL seen, there are plenty of vaccine-resistant medical personnel. They would also have to be part of this cover-up for this all to have gone unnoticed until the particular data analyst discovered "the truth".

Why would the medical community, a vast majority of which are very interested in improving patient health, be a party to this?

We have seen grave concern over vaccine safety issues, such as the TTS related to the J&J vaccine, when 39 cases and 3 deaths occurred. Somehow the ENTIRE medical community is covering up FORTY-FIVE THOUSAND deaths???

This needs a whole lot more than one data analyst to corroborate this outlandish story.

[just_abc]

4 hours ago, one.opinion said:

Why would the medical community, a vast majority of which are very interested in improving patient health, be a party to this?

 

In addition..  vaccines especially the Pfizer vaccine.. has / have also been used in other countries around the world..  

So if there were any major problems with that particular vaccine.. it might likely also be observed by medical folk etc outside the Usa..

Not just Usa alone.