The Sabbath

[Waggles]

Just now, johnthebaptist said:

I'm trying to make the point that if you sin, you get yourself into trouble. The Ten Commandments help define sin. You seem to condemn the Law of Moses, which brings us the Ten Commandments.

No you are interpreting my posts from your point of view. I have not condemned Moses nor the Law -

BUT the NT is not about Moses and the Law in the requirements of the Levitical priesthood and Temple worship.

The moral principles and moral intent of the Law still applies to Spirit-filled Christians but not in in ordinances written on tablets of stone. Thus we are free to worship on Sundays and remember the sacrifice and mercy freely given by God on our behalf.

Here it is not the particular day of the week that is important, but the equivalent moral purpose of putting aside one day to have fellowship with God and with our brothers and sisters. 

Also the indwelling Holy Spirit and praying in tongues is the sabbath - the rest - the refreshing. 

[Waggles]

18 minutes ago, Tammy Roesch said:

Colosians 2:16 has NOTHING to do with the SABBATH and everything to do with the CEREMONIAL HOLY DAYS...

Wow that is an extraordinary interpretation of NT scripture.

Sorry do not agree with you on this. 

Sundays are quite OK.

Also what is a Saturday sabbath but a ceremonial holy day !!

Edited August 3, 2021 by Waggles

[johnthebaptist]

25 minutes ago, Waggles said:

No you are interpreting my posts from your point of view. I have not condemned Moses nor the Law -

BUT the NT is not about Moses and the Law in the requirements of the Levitical priesthood and Temple worship.

The moral principles and moral intent of the Law still applies to Spirit-filled Christians but not in in ordinances written on tablets of stone. Thus we are free to worship on Sundays and remember the sacrifice and mercy freely given by God on our behalf.

Here it is not the particular day of the week that is important, but the equivalent moral purpose of putting aside one day to have fellowship with God and with our brothers and sisters. 

Also the indwelling Holy Spirit and praying in tongues is the sabbath - the rest - the refreshing. 

There are people who use the teachings of Paul to convince themselves that it's okay to sin. It's not.

And so to this thread: One of the Ten Commandments is that we should rest on the sabbath. I believe it is good advice. As for which day a person chooses as the sabbath, it doesn't matter to me.

[Waggles]

1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said:

As for which day a person chooses as the sabbath, it doesn't matter to me.

Well that is good to know - and we are in agreement here.

But some would make this a salvation issue and perdition awaits those who do not honour Saturday. 

[johnthebaptist]

15 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Well that is good to know - and we are in agreement here.

But some would make this a salvation issue and perdition awaits those who do not honour Saturday. 

That seems a little extreme just for choosing the 'wrong" day to rest, it seems to me.

[OneLight]

7 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

We should be in contant prayer (1 Thessalonians 5:17), wouldn't you say?

Communing with God, which is what prayer really is, can be done in many ways.  I wish I knew the secret of communing with God while asleep or when communicating with others.  I don't see this as praying as most people think, on their knees at an alter.  Even 1 Thessalonians 5:14-20 tells us to pray always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit.  This within the context of the whole armor of God.

[johnthebaptist]

4 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Communing with God, which is what prayer really is, can be done in many ways.  I wish I knew the secret of communing with God while asleep or when communicating with others.  I don't see this as praying as most people think, on their knees at an alter.  Even 1 Thessalonians 5:14-20 tells us to pray always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit.  This within the context of the whole armor of God.

Having an all day, everyday, conversation with the Lord would be a good habit to get in to, it seems to me.

[walla299]

3 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

I understand Walla, that it's not always easy to get the Sabbath off. I am a big believer in being in business for yourself, then YOU get to call the shots :). But, I do not believe that God is going to tell us to do something that is impossible for us to do.  Whatever He asks us to do, He will make away.  Sometimes He might be testing us, and see if we are really willing to give up whatever it might be that is stopping us from obeying Him. 

Kind of like when Daniel and the 3 Worthy's were in Babylon and commanded to bow down to the idol.  That was something they had been raised not to do, and they knew it would be disobeying God....so they stood firm....and were rewarded with being put into the fiery furnace....and God blessed them and they witnessed for Him.  Whatever God asks us to do, we just need to determine to do it, and ask God for strength and courage to do it...and DO IT.

I've had 3 businesses over the years . . . same thing. You can't always be in church on Sunday - at least not if you're on call and are a diesel mechanic. Don't get me started on the oil field side of things. Ugh. Life doesn't work that way. I do what I can to avoid work on Sunday, but there are times when it cannot be avoided.

On Daniel: I was thinking more about when Daniel and crew asked their keeper to test them on their diet because they didn't want to eat from the king's table and defile themselves. They didn't have that much choice about things. Rather than go the rebel route I believe Daniel used the wisdom and good sense God gave him . . . test us and see if we don't look better in a few weeks . . . and God blessed that. It really was a win-win for the guard chief - his head wouldn't be in danger, and Daniel and crew didn't have to defile themselves. He did what he could to obey the Lord and He honored that. 

[Marathoner]

14 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I've seen people argue endlessly about whether the sabbath should be Saturday or Sunday. The sabbath is supposed to be the last day of the week, and if you look at a calendar, that would be Saturday. On the other hand, when I get up on Monday morning, it feels like a new week.

You're quite right about the endless argumentation, John. I've shared passages of scripture wherein the apostle Paul explains how we died with Christ and because we died and were buried with Him, the law no longer has dominion over us. The dominion of the law ends with death. The ordinances and those letters graven in stone passed away with our Lord's crucifixion.

Ah, but I've also pointed out that at no time was the Sabbath day changed to a different day of the week, speaking only of Sabbath observance. Because we who are in Christ are no longer under the law nor bound to observe the ordinances, this is a matter of liberty. Let no one forbid any from observing the Sabbath day, and let no one condemn those who do not observe the Sabbath day.

As others have shared in this topic, the above sums up the apostle's words from different passages of the NT letters. I've shared these passages many times before on the forum, so there's no need to copy and paste them again.  

[Sower]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

Communing with God, which is what prayer really is, can be done in many ways.  I wish I knew the secret of communing with God while asleep or when communicating with others.  I don't see this as praying as most people think, on their knees at an alter.  Even 1 Thessalonians 5:14-20 tells us to pray always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit.  This within the context of the whole armor of God.

For myself,   'praying without ceasing' is like practicing the presence of God. An (on going) awareness of his presence.
I have tried praying/talking with God as I fall to sleep, hoping for some God like dreams.
Don't know if I had any success though,  I rarely remember my dreams.
 Being grateful and giving thanks throughout the day really keeps our conversation going...

Rejoice always, pray without ceasing,  give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.