The Sabbath

[Waggles]

11 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

Why is it that so many Christians today believe it's OK to break the 4th Commandment but it's wrong to break 1-3 and 5-10 of the 10 Commandments?

We now live under a NEW covenant - a different covenant of liberty in Christ Jesus 

Psalm 40:7  Then I said, “Behold, I have come; in the scroll of the book it is written of me: 
8  I delight to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart.” 

thus we are free to choose Sundays as our sabbath - for the moral principle of having a sabbath is fulfilled in our choice to do so - we are free under grace. 

Saturdays is for Judah and the Jews, not the Spirit-filled church.

Edited August 3, 2021 by Waggles

[Waggles]

11 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

So why do you believe it's OK to break the Sabbath?

The sabbath is now fulfilled through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. For by exercising the power and work of the Holy Spirit within me God gives me his rest.

For Spirit-filled Christians the sabbath is spiritual and 7 days a week.

Matthew 11:28  Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 
29  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest to your souls. 
Mat 11:30  For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. 

[Waggles]

John 20:18  Mariam Magdalene comes and declares to the disciples [that] I have seen the Lord, and he had said these things to her.
19  When therefore it was evening on that day, the first of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith to them, Peace to you. 
20  And on saying this, he showed them the hands and the side. The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord.

Acts 20:7  And upon the first day of the week, when we were gathered to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and prolonged his speech until midnight.

1Cor 16:2  Upon the first day of the week let each of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that when I come no collections be then made.

[Alive]

Along the way, a day was chosen and it became a practice for practical reasons. I believe the day itself is largely irrelevant other than what is agreed upon at large. Its the gathering and accountability to each other that is vital.

When two or more....folks dont always consider that two thing.

 

[Marathoner]

12 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

Marathoner, do you separate the 4th Commandment from the other 10 then, or do you thin it's OK to break all 10 of the Commandments?  

The 10 Commandments are the MORAL LAW not the CEREMONIAL LAW.  It was the Ceremonial Law that was nailed to the cross when Jesus died.  The MORAL LAW is just as in tact today as it was the day God gave it to us.

I really don't think you believe it's OK to murder, steal, lie and commit adultery.  So why do you believe it's OK to break the Sabbath?  They are all part of the SAME LAW.

As we have explained many times on the forum and even in this topic, no one is to judge according to the observance of days, @Tammy Roesch. We have presented the words of the Lord's apostles and your opposition is duly noted. Let the reader exercise discernment in these matters. 

Let it be known that the commandments graven in stone were revealed in fullness by the person of Jesus Christ, the substance of the shadow which preceded His coming in the flesh. As the Lord revealed when the disciples worked to feed themselves during the Sabbath day (Mark 2 and Matthew 12), He is the Lord of Sabbath, and yet Jews accused His chosen of violating the Sabbath. Indeed, the same also accused the Lord of working on the Sabbath day (healing others). They also dishonored the Lord by accusing Him of having a devil. 

What did the Lord say, then? We are to cease from our own labors, only we who are in Christ Jesus cease from our own labor at all times. We cease from the labors of this flesh which are indeed our own works, and submit ourselves to the Spirit of Christ each and every day we walk upon this earth. We occupy ourselves with the work of His kingdom upon this earth, not limiting ourselves to one day of the week, refraining from judging others on account of whether they observe this day or that day. 

Therefore Jesus Christ is our sabbath rest for as the apostle wrote, there remains a rest for the people of God. The Lord Himself is our rest; @Waggles shared the relevant passage from the Gospel of Matthew where He proclaims to all, "Come to Me."

In days of old, only the prophets of the Lord were given His Spirit, making it necessary for the people to seek God by petitioning the prophet for His word and judgment. Ah, but not so on the day of Pentecost in fulfillment of those words recorded by His prophets: God poured His Spirit upon all flesh and the Lord chose His people as His temple and resting place upon the earth. 

We are seated with Christ and reign with Him as the apostle tells us in the scriptures. We rest in the Lord, our Sabbath, and His Spirit rests in us. The day is revealed as a shadow of the substance to come but there are some who twist scripture to their own destruction, seeking to burden others under the Law which has no dominion over Spirit and the newness of life. 

Let the reader exercise discernment, then, and not fall under the sway of some who preach condemnation in the flesh. 

[Alive]

To add a thought...the concept and principle of sabbath is important and isnt to be discarded. As it is a precious type of the true rest that God fullfilled for us in Christ.

Sabbath for man and not man for sabbath....this is what the type pointed to way back in Genesis.

[Marathoner]

@walla299 touched upon something crucial in his contributions in this topic and I was blessed to read of it. This might appear tangential on the surface though I assure the reader it is not. 

Each one of us stands or falls by the Lord for our Father in heaven gives according to His pleasure; some are fathers and mothers, stewards of the blessing which the Lord in His goodness provides. Others, such as myself and the apostle Paul before me, aren't married. We are not fathers (or mothers as it were), nor do we own any real property beyond that which the Lord in His wisdom provides. "Give me what I need as it pleases You, Lord; nothing more and nothing less." 

One is not superior to the other. Every son and daughter of the Most High walks in those works which God ordained for us before the foundation of the world, and so we are faithful in these things before the Lord and our fellow man. It pleased the Lord that I would be unfettered so I might devote myself entirely to the work of His kingdom, going wherever He sends me, taking no thought for myself along the way. This is the work which He intended me to walk in and so I do this very thing with thanksgiving and joy, for the Lord delivered me with a mighty hand and lifted me up from the shadow of death.

He accomplished this work so I might serve God and walk with Him for the rest of my days, a gift from our Father in heaven and a blessing beyond compare. This was the desire of my heart from the beginning when I heard His voice, that I would live each day as holy to the Lord who had regard for me, a stupid and terrible man who made a complete mess of his life. 

Thus I am "free" to come and go as the wind blows, and this is both God's purpose and will with regard to me and others who walk in a similar way. 

But to the brother who has been given much, owning a business, a father of children and husband of a wife, his responsibility is toward those whom the Lord purposes him to serve. He is indeed free in Christ Jesus just as I am, but the honor of his calling requires him to manage his time in such a way which is pleasing the Lord. Therefore my brother who gathers with brethren on Sundays --- or Saturdays if he is so moved --- is honorable for he stands or falls by the Lord. 

If the Lord indeed purposes us to observe a certain day, then rest assured He will provide us with the means to do so. Yes, He has done so for the sake of my brothers who are fathers and employers (or employees), just as He provides for me to live each day as holy to Him. 

The Lord blessed me abundantly in this regard, providing work in a vocation which serves the needy, the fatherless, and the widows. He has made it possible for me to occupy myself with the work of His kingdom every day of the week, resting when it is expedient as well as needful. My schedule changes from time to time so my days off are subject to change, but this is neither troublesome nor indicative of disobedience on my part. The Lord would not cause me to be disobedient to Him... that's preposterous!

The Lord is not served by human hands nor does He well in structures made by human hands. He sends us into the world to serve our neighbor and brethren alike, and so each of us serves Him in a fitting manner. We are not bound by the trappings of this flesh and obedience to ritual and hollow religion. 

We listen to His word and walk in His Spirit instead.  

  

[R. Hartono]

On 8/3/2021 at 7:00 AM, Waggles said:

Colosians 2:16  Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 

17  These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 

Stick with scripture.

Some Jews tried to teach gentiles church in Colosse to follow sabbath n clean  food, Paul taught them not to fear the Jews judgment of clean food n sabbath days which Colossians didnt follow alrdy.

Everyday shud be sabbath in Jesus.

Edited August 4, 2021 by R. Hartono

[Tammy Roesch]

20 hours ago, Alive said:

Yup--

Rom. 14:1 (NAS20S)   Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not to have quarrels over opinions.   One person has faith that he may eat all things, but the one who is weak eats only vegetables. ³ The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.   Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Rom. 14:5 (NAS20S)    One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. ⁶ The one who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and the one who eats, does so with regard to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat, it is for the Lord that he does not eat, and he gives thanks to God. ⁷ For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; ⁸ for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. ⁹ For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

ALIVE, please show me from the Bible where the MORAL LAW (the 10 Commandments) talks anything about what we EAT or DRINK.  And where does the MORAL LAW speak about different holy days?  

I see no where in the 10 Commandments where it does EITHER.  The 10 Commandments ONLY speaks about THE SABBATH - ONE HOLY DAY....not MULTIPLE HOLY DAYS.  But if you go and read about the CEREMONIAL LAW, you will find that it mentions HOLY DAYS and MEATS & DRINKS.   You are confusing the two laws.  The Ceremonial Law was done away with at the Cross, that is why it is no longer necessary to keep the HOLY DAYS - the Feast of Tabernacles, the Passover, Feast of Trumpets, etc.  But THESE DAYS have NOTHING to do with THE WEEKLY SABBATH in the MORAL LAW.

ALIVE, do you believe it's OK to LIE?  STEAL? MURDER? etc?  those are all Commandments in the MORAL LAW and I'm sure you do not believe Christians should be breaking those Commandments.  So then why do you think you have the RIGHT to separate the 4th Commandment from the other 9 (which you still believe you should obey) and break the 4th Commandment????  Especially when THAT is the very Commandment that God said to REMEMBER???  I think you are walking on very dangerous ground.

[Tammy Roesch]

20 hours ago, appy said:

There is the impression that some folks just know that others are sinners because those others do not do as they do or do not feel as they do.  God see's our hearts and knows who is or who is not, his child.   We humans on the other hand can not see into another person's heart and know that God is displeased with them or that they are not obeying God.  

 We are NOT called to be morality cops, but to share the gospel message with the lost.  

Do as the Lord leads "YOU, YOURSELF",(collective you, no one here specifically) and let God do the leading of others.

John 21:21
When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”  Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you? You follow Me

Romans 14:3-4
The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.  Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

Romans 14:22
So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God.

 

Appy, if we see our brother doing something we believe is not right, should we say nothing and let him go on his way?  Or should we show him the right way?