I'm Encouraged to See....

[enoob57]

4 hours ago, teddyv said:

That's a rather Platonic view.

God did not tell us things that we should ignore them...

John 8:32 (KJV)

[32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

To know God is to have the same value system as He...

[Tammy Roesch]

12 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

Are you saying I have to eat vegetables?

I'm saying that a vegetarian diet is healthier than a meat diet, it was the diet God gave to us when He created us...meat was not added to the diet until AFTER the Flood and the life span dropped from 950+ BEFORE the Flood to 150 AFTER the Flood in just 10 generations. When the Lord returns and takes His own to Heaven, they will be Vegetarians, as NOTHING is ever going to die in Heaven...the more we can get back to the ORIGINAL PLAN now, the healthier we will be.

Sadly, it seems that many Christians today are just like those who came out of Egypt...who wished they had died in Egypt where they could sit by the flesh pots.  They would rather remain in SLAVERY and have their MEAT than be FREE and eat a PLANT BASED diet.  Sad.

Exo 16:2  And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness:

Exo 16:3  And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

[appy]

There are no food restrictions in the New Testament other than abstaining from eating blood.

 

Timothy 4:1-5
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.  They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.  For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,  because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

Romans 14:16
Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil.  For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,

Romans 14:20
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean,

[johnthebaptist]

3 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

I'm saying that a vegetarian diet is healthier than a meat diet, it was the diet God gave to us when He created us...meat was not added to the diet until AFTER the Flood and the life span dropped from 950+ BEFORE the Flood to 150 AFTER the Flood in just 10 generations. When the Lord returns and takes His own to Heaven, they will be Vegetarians, as NOTHING is ever going to die in Heaven...the more we can get back to the ORIGINAL PLAN now, the healthier we will be.

Sadly, it seems that many Christians today are just like those who came out of Egypt...who wished they had died in Egypt where they could sit by the flesh pots.  They would rather remain in SLAVERY and have their MEAT than be FREE and eat a PLANT BASED diet.  Sad.

Exo 16:2  And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness:

Exo 16:3  And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

The problem I have with becoming a vegetarian is that I find it hard to get the protein I need without meat, and the protein content in my blood is already low, according to my doctor.

[Alive]

Let's not let food choices become a morality or spirituality ruler.

This is an old and tired discussion.

[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

I'm saying that a vegetarian diet is healthier than a meat diet, it was the diet God gave to us when He created us...meat was not added to the diet until AFTER the Flood and the life span dropped from 950+ BEFORE the Flood to 150 AFTER the Flood in just 10 generations. When the Lord returns and takes His own to Heaven, they will be Vegetarians, as NOTHING is ever going to die in Heaven...the more we can get back to the ORIGINAL PLAN now, the healthier we will be.

Sadly, it seems that many Christians today are just like those who came out of Egypt...who wished they had died in Egypt where they could sit by the flesh pots.  They would rather remain in SLAVERY and have their MEAT than be FREE and eat a PLANT BASED diet.  Sad.

Exo 16:2  And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness:

Exo 16:3  And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

So, what you're actually saying is: at the wedding feast when I place my order; "steak, medium rare" with mushrooms and onions, A-1 Steak Sauce. I'll be waiting until the cows come home LoL?

But I agree with you, one would be hard pressed to prove a vegan diet is not healthier. Looking at the Jewish dietary restrictions in hindsight, and our modern scientific times of knowing food disease and contamination. The enhanced risks of under cooked pork, cloven vs. un-cloven animals and the diseases / worms they can carry. I would think God established them probably in part, for a healthier life and longevity? 

As far as life spans pre and post flood; I have a different theory, that makes sense to me and doesn't involve food. I think sun and solar radiation [x-ray, gamma] is detrimental to our genome and DNA, and is passed down from generation to generation. Based on the fossil record, that everything was humongous in size pre-flood. Most insects are limited in size based on the amount of oxygen they can absorb through their exoskeletons. Three foot long dragonflies have been found in fossils. Try messing with one of those with your fly-swatter 

The only biological way [proven many times with experiments] animals, insects and plant life to grow to the size they did, is and increase in the percentage of oxygen, CO2, and atmospheric pressure. It makes scientific sense the earth must have had some sort of water / ice canopy protecting the earth? 

But don't get me wrong, I'm not against a vegan diet; as a matter of fact, I practice it myself. A nice chef salad; just before my carnivorous teeth chomp into that sizzling beef steak, smothered in mushrooms and onions. And don't forget my A-1 steak sauce please. The waitress asked me how my steak was, and I told her wonderful. She then asks, "what would you like for desert?" An order of 'crab legs'. 

Would you agree that our Lord Jesus will be physically here on earth, ruling with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, during the millennial reign of 1,000 years. That so where God is, is also the Kingdom of Heaven? 

That the Jews will again practice animal sacrifice in the millennium? And if you agree with that; what happens to all that meat?

[Tammy Roesch]

25 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

The problem I have with becoming a vegetarian is that I find it hard to get the protein I need without meat, and the protein content in my blood is already low, according to my doctor.

Anytime you combine BEANS with GRAINS, NUTS or SEEDS, it's a COMPLETE PROTEIN.  We actually need far less protein than what we've been told for many years. I'm a vegan, been one for nearly 50 years...never have had a protein issue....it's a very healthy way to go

[Tammy Roesch]

4 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

So, what you're actually saying is: at the wedding feast when I place my order; "steak, medium rare" with mushrooms and onions, A-1 Steak Sauce. I'll be waiting until the cows come home LoL?

But I agree with you, one would be hard pressed to prove a vegan diet is not healthier. Looking at the Jewish dietary restrictions in hindsight, and our modern scientific times of knowing food disease and contamination. The enhanced risks of under cooked pork, cloven vs. un-cloven animals and the diseases / worms they can carry. I would think God established them probably in part, for a healthier life and longevity? 

As far as life spans pre and post flood; I have a different theory, that makes sense to me and doesn't involve food. I think sun and solar radiation [x-ray, gamma] is detrimental to our genome and DNA, and is passed down from generation to generation. Based on the fossil record, that everything was humongous in size pre-flood. Most insects are limited in size based on the amount of oxygen they can absorb through their exoskeletons. Three foot long dragonflies have been found in fossils. Try messing with one of those with your fly-swatter 

The only biological way [proven many times with experiments] animals, insects and plant life to grow to the size they did, is and increase in the percentage of oxygen, CO2, and atmospheric pressure. It makes scientific sense the earth must have had some sort of water / ice canopy protecting the earth? 

But don't get me wrong, I'm not against a vegan diet; as a matter of fact, I practice it myself. A nice chef salad; just before my carnivorous teeth chomp into that sizzling beef steak, smothered in mushrooms and onions. And don't forget my A-1 steak sauce please. The waitress asked me how my steak was, and I told her wonderful. She then asks, "what would you like for desert?" An order of 'crab legs'. 

Would you agree that our Lord Jesus will be physically here on earth, ruling with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, during the millennial reign of 1,000 years. That so where God is, is also the Kingdom of Heaven? 

That the Jews will again practice animal sacrifice in the millennium? And if you agree with that; what happens to all that meat?

Sorry Dennis, I can't agree with 

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Would you agree that our Lord Jesus will be physically here on earth, ruling with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, during the millennial reign of 1,000 years. That so where God is, is also the Kingdom of Heaven? 

That the Jews will again practice animal sacrifice in the millennium? And if you agree with that; what happens to all that meat?

 

I don't see that taught in the Bible at all.  I do appreciate your humor though....

[Alive]

Col. 2:16 (NAS20S)   Therefore, no one is to   act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—

An interesting an informative exercise is to do a search on the word 'food' in the NT.

A good picture of its importance emerges.

[Dennis1209]

25 minutes ago, Tammy Roesch said:

Sorry Dennis, I can't agree with 

I don't see that taught in the Bible at all.  I do appreciate your humor though....

Hi Tammy,

May I ask which part(s) you disagree with and not taught in the Bible?

(1) Jesus ruling with a rod of iron in the millennium (Rev. 2:25-29).

(2) Millennial Jewish sacrifice (Ezek. 45:17-20).

(3) Kingdom of God (Matt. 26:29; 6:33; 8:3).

(4) Or if there is a millennial reign at all (Isaiah 2:4; 42:1).

In the millennium, because of sin, anyone dying at 100 years old is considered a child (Isaiah 65:20). "All" death, plant, animal and human; seems to perish after the millennium entering eternity (Rev. 20:14).