ABOMINATION is a STRONG WORD...

[Slug1]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

I also believe that the whole book of the Holy Bible is God's Word. But we are only going by the NT teachings now because Jesus Christ died on the Cross for us. We are now under the law of Christ now the OT teachings. That would make us legalistic. 

 

If I may, when the OT spells out sexually related specific sins, and in the NT, there is a term - sexual immorality... what is sexual immorality? All brethren that I know, will search both the OT and the NT for an answer. The OP's post is actually specific to what is an example of sexual immorality.

So yeah, we're in the New Covenant but when we want some detailed clarity of what we're taught by Scripture from the NT, we are allowed to find detail "anywhere" in the Word of God.

Such sin was an abomination as detailed in the OT, to say these exact same sins that are examples of sexual immorality are not an abomination today... is to disregard details provided throughout Scripture.

[OneLight]

Actually, Romans 1:26-27 gives a more detailed description than just a word.

[Marathoner]

18 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

I looked up the word ABOMINATION...it's used in 69 verses in the Bible....an example of several times....

It's impossible for me to fathom how something that was an ABOMINATION to God THEN, is APPROVED of Him, TODAY.  

Who makes the claim that it is? Be specific for the benefit of those reading this topic, my friend. I'm left wondering about the point of this OP as well. Thanks.   

[Wayne222]

3 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

I understand that is how you believe, but I don't believe that. I believe that the ENTIRE BIBLE is God's Word.  The NT does not wipe out the OT or replace it.  They are in completely harmony if understood correctly.  

There is a diffrence between the law of Moses. And the new covenant. Some things are to point to christ. Once christ rose from the dead we no longer need them. The law was a school master. We no longer need a school master. Once we were msrried to the law. Now we are married to christ. Now we have the new testament. The old can still be light too. But be careful not to be under it. 

[walla299]

3 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

I understand that is how you believe, but I don't believe that. I believe that the ENTIRE BIBLE is God's Word.  The NT does not wipe out the OT or replace it.  They are in completely harmony if understood correctly.  

Yes, because the entire sacrificial system pointed to Christ, and Christ fulfilled it. Paul goes into quite a bit of detail on that in Galatians 3 and following. 

[JohnR7]

2 hours ago, Slug1 said:

Such sin was an abomination as detailed in the OT, to say these exact same sins that are examples of sexual immorality are not an abomination today... is to disregard details provided throughout Scripture.

Not only are you talking two different words, you are talking two different languages. "Sexual immorality" is a Greek word: "pornia" We know what porn is today, it is all over the internet. It is a perversion of God's plan and purpose for the relationship between a husband and wife, man and women. People do not even understand the relationship Adam and Eve were to have. I do not know anyone that can tell us the difference between a women and a female. Even though they sing songs about the difference. 

The point is that there are things that are an abomination to us. We do not approve of it in others. That makes them very mad that we we do not approve of their sin. "Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." (Romans 1:32)

It is not being in sin that is the problem so much as the example we set for others and what we do and do not approve of. They tell me I am phobic. My answer is I am not phobic I am repulsed. They are free to do what they want. If they have problems the police will try to help them to sort it out. But for me it is an abomination and do not make public knowledge of what they are doing in their private relationships. 

So if there are shots fired and 7 police cars show up with lights flashing like the forth of July. We are to keep our mouth shut and to not put photos on social medial. They wanted acceptance and approval but now all of a sudden they want people to bury their head in the sand and ignore what is going on. It does not matter that the police want to use our car for a shield because they are afraid someone is going to shoot them. 

Even the best of neighborhoods - the hood or the ghetto sometimes finds it's way in.  

Edited August 13, 2021 by JohnR7

[JohnR7]

2 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

There is a diffrence between the law of Moses. And the new covenant.

T   There is no difference. Jesus adds to the Torah that we receive from Moses. Deut 18:15  “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen"

Even though the Rabbi teach 613 commandments. They still believe it is a sin to go beyond that. There is a limit to what God wants and expects from us. Jesus of course only teaches three, to love God, love our neighbor and to love yourself. That is the purpose and intent of the commandments that the Rabbi teach based on the Torah the first 5 books of Moses. 

People think we are to seek approval with God though the law. But the law was intended for our benefit to keep us strong and health so we could fulfill God's plan and purpose for us and our life. (Psalm 139:16)  "all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be".

Edited August 13, 2021 by JohnR7

[Michael37]

20 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

I looked up the word ABOMINATION...it's used in 69 verses in the Bible....an example of several times....

It's impossible for me to fathom how something that was an ABOMINATION to God THEN, is APPROVED of Him, TODAY.  

Strong word and strong delusion.

NZ political culture is spiritually corrupted by a host of demonic powers to the extent that some very antichristian lifestyles and perverse philosophies are normalised through our Government's legislation, its education curriculum, and media propaganda.

Currently our Opposition Party is opposing a Bill that criminalises so-called Gender Conversion practices because in its current form parents would be breaking the law by advising their children to remain content with the gender they were born with:

Quote: 

To be considered a conversion practice under the Bill, a practice must meet ALL of the following elements, which state that a practice is: 

• directed towards someone because of their sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression, AND
• performed with the intention of changing or suppressing their sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression.

Source: Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation introduced to Parliament | Beehive.govt.nz

[Tristen]

Many moral tenets were written into the Law of Moses, but God's morality does not change. That is, that which was morally wrong according to the Law, was morally wrong before the Law was penned.

For example;

It was wrong for Adam to steal fruit from God before Moses wrote; "You shall not steal" (Ex 20:15)

It was wrong for Cain to murder Abel before Moses penned; "You shall not murder" (Ex 20:13)

It was wrong for the males in Sodom to sexually desire the male messengers in Lot's house - even before Moses said; "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination" (Lev 20:13)

On top of moral laws, the Law also contains administrative laws and ritual laws. Christians are free in every respect from any subjection to the Law (the written list of rules which constituted the covenant between God and the nation of Israel). However, 1) we can still learn about God's morality through moral laws, and 2) we are not free with regards to disobedience to God's moral standards. A very high price was paid to redeem us from such corruption.

We all have ungodly desires, and commit sin. That is why we need a Saviour.

According to the Bible, homosexuality is (and always has been) an ungodly desire. And homosexual practice is a sin.

God's grace is abundantly available to those sinners who decide to turn away from their sin, and towards Him in faith.

 

[Tammy Roesch]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Strong word and strong delusion.

NZ political culture is spiritually corrupted by a host of demonic powers to the extent that some very antichristian lifestyles and perverse philosophies are normalised through our Government's legislation, its education curriculum, and media propaganda.

Currently our Opposition Party is opposing a Bill that criminalises so-called Gender Conversion practices because in its current form parents would be breaking the law by advising their children to remain content with the gender they were born with:

Quote: 

To be considered a conversion practice under the Bill, a practice must meet ALL of the following elements, which state that a practice is: 

• directed towards someone because of their sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression, AND
• performed with the intention of changing or suppressing their sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression.

Source: Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation introduced to Parliament | Beehive.govt.nz

I just can't imagine how difficult it would be for parents in that situation!  And yet, I've read articles where even PASTORS here in the US, completely change their tune on TRANSGENDERISM being a sin, when their own child declares HIMSELF a HERSELF....  How Christians can accept as NORMAL what GOD CALLS and ABOMINATION is beyond me.