Why Is The Antichrist Coming?

[Waggles]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

You don't agree there is one major opposer of Christ in all blasphemy and self exaltation popularly called The Antichrist, but known in scripture as the beast, that is yet to come?

Let us stick to scripture - where are the verses that contain the word(s) anti-Christ??

I cannot read of The Anti-Christ anywhere in Revelation.

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, Waggles said:

Let us stick to scripture - where are the verses that contain the word(s) anti-Christ??

I cannot read of The Anti-Christ anywhere in Revelation.

The Antichrist in Revelation is "The Beast". That word is in the Bible. 

[Waggles]

5 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The Antichrist in Revelation is "The Beast". That word is in the Bible. 

BUT scripture does not use the word "The Anti-Christ" nor even "anti-Christ" in Revelation so you are guessing and putting your speculation into scripture.

Edited September 5, 2021 by Waggles

[Waggles]

Revelation 13:11  Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. 
12  It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. 

As an ex Roman Catholic and having come out of her by the truth of the full gospel of salvation I can read directly what the above verses allude to:

verse 11 is a good description of the Popes - ministers of righteousness but inwardly a dragon;

and verse 12 is about the fall and rise of Rome whose mortal wound was healed: the destruction of the old imperial Rome and Empire and her restoration through the Bishop of Rome to become the seat of a new world power - the holy Roman Catholic Church (now worldwide). 

Why a beast? Because a beast kills and devours its prey - and the RCC has slaughtered and burned millions of "heretics" and women over the centuries. 

Rev 13:7  Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,

Rev 17:5  And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.” 
6  And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marvelled greatly.

[missmuffet]

34 minutes ago, Waggles said:

BUT scripture does not use the word "The Anti-Christ" nor even "anti-Christ" in Revelation so you are guessing and putting your speculation into scripture.

The Bible also doesn't use the word "rapture" or "trinity" . That does not mean that they don't exist. 

[Marilyn C]

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

So your take is that the pressure brought to bear is to turn the unbeliever toward belief in salvation through Christ?

Is that all? 

I would put it this way. The judgments are what a righteous ruler does to the rebellious, and as those judgments are coming upon the world and people are affected then they are shown to be at their most vulnerable, without hope. So who do they turn to for `hope,` salvation from the awful judgments? 

`Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!` (Joel 3: 14) 

That of course refers to the valley outside Jerusalem, just before the Lord comes, but it is a good symbolic picture of what is happening throughout the judgments.

God or Satan?

[Waggles]

38 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The Bible also doesn't use the word "rapture" or "trinity" . That does not mean that they don't exist. 

Red herring. You are avoiding the issue that there is no anti-Christ in Revelation. 

[DeighAnn]

On 8/31/2021 at 3:05 AM, Diaste said:

Is he coming for sinners? If not, what's his purpose?

Is he coming for believers? If not, what's his purpose?

His purpose is to accomplish Gods will.  

He is being sent, not coming on his own. 

He is coming so that Gods final judgment is a JUST one and to make sure everyone receives their JUST rewards or punishments.    

When the final battle has ended, and the White Throne set, every single soul will be held responsible for the decisions they made no matter who they let influence them

and I also believe that 

ESPECIALLY for THIS GENERATION in which ALL KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH ARE AT our fingertips and simply found the 'SEEKING' ALONG WITH having been gifted the Holy Spirit to lead and guide and having been given warning after warning after warning and example after example of what to look for what to do what not to do what to believe etc. I don't believe there is going to be any EXTRA mercy coming our way aka pre trib rap for all the demonations    

I understand what I believe is very different but I do have scripture for all of it and I have no unanswered questions as all who do not believe this way do.  

God created the heavens.
God created the sons of God, morning stars, cherubs etc.
God created the earth. 
There was a 'society' very much like the one we live in today except without any souls in flesh bodies (as there was no earth until after they were created)
There was one made the full pattern.  Beautiful and wise and at one point was a protector of the mercy seat.  
He was in charge of a kingdom that was ruled by 7 kings that became very prosperous and he became very powerful.  He became so full of himself (pride) that instead of protecting the mercy seat he wanted to sit upon it and he went about convincing/deceiving many of Gods children that he could do all he said he would.  He deceived a full 1/3 of them before 

GOD stopped it all. 

NOW FOR SOME PURE SPECULATION
God was hurt.  God was mad.  God was sad.  God had to do something.  GOD rendered the earth null and void and left it in darkness to make a new plan (think Ice age and death to dinosaurs, Grand Canyon, separation of the land masses, North Pole slightly off earth becoming wobbly, the firmament coming down...)

Having had this belief for many many many years I have given lots of thought to the ways of God and  I THINK that if you look at the number of bugs and fish alone  you can imagine that God has been in the creation business a very long time. Certainly has never been a RUSH on anything has there.  


SO, If you look at how mad God gets (wrath) you realize that with powers such as His,  that there have probably been more than 'a few' complete destructions of past 'projects' (Gods has MADE promises AND HE SWEARS BY HIMSELF as there can be no other SO our security from A COMPLETE future destruction is assured)

At that point God had to make a decision.  Was that to be the end of the "AGE OF AGES" or would there be ANOTHER chance.  AFTER all we are talking about HIS CHILDREN.  WHO HE LOVED FIRST.  Sure, He could have just 'lake of fired it all' right then BUT since those who followed Satan had been deceived (and think 'spiritual bodies' and most likely a more '6th sense' type of communication to go along with it) that instead of taking that route He would instead us the earth as an AGE ENDER and put those sons of God into 'flesh' bodies with minds that could not be 'manipulated' without that person having a say so in the situation and so ALL would be able to CHOSE God or Satan, life or death.  
THIS leaves us with 1/3 who followed Satan some willingly as they are just as bad, some who did because they were stupid and others. 
ALSO we have those who STOOD with God never wavering, never being deceived, never once finding it to be a decision at all. 
THEN there were those who, just as you see today, just don't care one way or the other.  

So there was the plan.  Get the earth back up and running and set the spirits into the flesh bodies, brand new, no memories of who they were or what they did, a clean slate for all and set the circumstances once again to CHOICE.  Accordingly as only God can know, He would place the spirits where they needed to be to 'learn or teach or whatever'. 
HENCE, I knew you, fore ordained, pre destined for those who NEVER LEFT His side and so they are PRE JUSTIFIED and have already received their eternal souls (they just don't know it yet) and THESE like all the prophets GOD CAN USE IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE BECAUSE they PASSED the test. 
We also are told of those who are vessels made for DESTRUCTION.  These are those who just like Satan find Gods righteousness not something they ever want a part of.  If Satan wouldn't have gone bad they would have found a way anyhow they are just evil spirited.  THESE will not wait to be born of woman but will instead be a part of those who 'left their habitation' who will be set in chains in darkness for eternal destruction.  
Then we are left with the MANY ARE CALLED.  These are those who didn't go one way or the other and who hopefully will make a wise choice when 'called to faith aka hear the words of God' this time.  

GOD also, knowing that Satan will not be sitting idlely by has set aside 'the LORDS day' for any souls who find themselves 'not ever hearing truth' or maybe because of the 'freewill nature' of things die to early, or maybe never even make it out of the womb the what ever contingency plan.  

Enough Speculation

So God brought light back upon the earth and separated the waters from the land and the light from the dark and placed the stars and sun and moon in the heavens to set the time and Gods plan so that NO ONE EVER WOULD not believe that GOD IS IN CHARGE AT ALL TIMES OF EVERYTHING BUT MUST LET 'LIFE' play out if in the end HE is to end up with a world full of HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE as He is a HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS GOD.  

SO what SEEMS as unfair to US, comes from a place of pure ignorance of who we were and what we did and what we need to learn and what disciplines are required so that when that JUDGMENT day comes, we will be able to stand in front of God to be judged AND RECEIVE OUR REWARDS AND that some will at least be able to stand up in front of HIM with some hope (PS  pure speculation  if one is evil without any redeeming qualities he wont even be able to get close but instead will go up in a puff of smoke turning to ashes from within just like Satan will)  

GOD IS JUST.  All the rest is on us.  

So Satan has been playing the part that God knew he would play all along.  THE SPECIFICS I don't believe he knew/knows but the OUTCOME, the Plan, the end will come out exactly as He says it will.  


Many are being called and many are trying to stop them.  

Knowing these things does not have anything to do with coming to the Lord and being saved but it sure does help to understand our Creator and why things are the way they are.  

Matthew 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong,  didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

Matthew 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

Matthew 20:15 IS IT NOT LAWFUL FOR ME TO DO WHAT I WILL WITH MINE OWN?  IS THINE EYE EVIL BECAUSE I AM GOOD?
 

16 So the last shall be first, and the first last for many be called, but few chosen.

D

[DeighAnn]

7 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Red herring. You are avoiding the issue that there is no anti-Christ in Revelation. 

We don't find 'Satan' in the garden either but we do know from 

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

that he was there. 

Just being 'addressed' by the 'role'  he was playing at the time.  At least I believe this to be so.  

[R. Hartono]

16 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

So perhaps stay far away from misinforming others of faulty theology please. 

Read Revelation 13 is abt antichrist.

Edited September 5, 2021 by R. Hartono