What part of what this graph says don't you understand?

[WilliamL]

On 9/21/2021 at 7:56 AM, Starise said:

A LOT of the chips fall in favor of  government cover up of a pre planned event. Part of that plan included certain men getting very wealthy off of this. Men who were already very wealthy to begin with. While I don't think the primary agenda of the hidden plan was for these men to get wealthy, being the opportunists they are, they took full advantage of the situation. The primary agenda isn't fully known, but it looks to be pushing the world into a very government controlled future.

Agreed.

On 9/21/2021 at 7:56 AM, Starise said:

Is the vaccine effective? If you won't admit any effectiveness then there's nothing else to discuss. OTOH, if you believe it is even partially effective while also believing the good outweighs the bad so far as I believe, then the solution means I might live a few more years. I might be saved from being in a hospital on a ventilator or even worse, my life might be cut short due to COVID as it has for so many others. Many many people died before the vaccine during the time you quote on the graph. Many of them were never vaccinated. We have millions of people who were supposedly vaccinated. Most of these people are doing just fine. Many of us are here on Worthy. To me thus far this is a virus however you choose to see it came about. There is a vaccine for it that while not perfect works pretty well according to all of my sources.

No, I don't believe that the mRNA treatment is effective viewed in toto: the good does not outweigh the bad, and far from it.

"Many people died before the vaccine" because the CDC et. al. denied and suppressed and lied about other effective treatments. (They had to do this, because if they admitted to other effective treatments for Covid, then the EAU for the experimental mRNA treament could not have been issued so quickly.) If those effective treatments, published in March 2020, had been followed, 80%+ of the deaths would have been prevented. Therefore, the medical establishment's sole focus on developing a vaccine, while suppressing all other treatments, amounts to mass murder. When you are able to understand and confess to this, then and only then will I believe that you are weighing the evidence in balance. And the ends to which the global deep state is willing to go to push their agenda.

Edited September 26, 2021 by WilliamL

[one.opinion]

@WilliamL VAERS death reports reached 7899 on September 20th (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html). Do you know why there is such a discrepancy between the official VAERS report number and the number on the graph? It is also important to remember that the VAERS system cannot confirm the cause of any of the adverse health reports. Investigators that follow up the reports have linked a much smaller number than 7899 to the vaccines. I suspect that you also believe there is a planetary-wide cover-up of data that is being reported here and across the world. If that is the case, then there really isn't anything I (or anyone else) can say that will convince you otherwise.

Also, can you imagine a reason why the massive cover-up has NOT included the VAERS data that is such a rallying cry for opponents of COVID vaccines?

Edited September 27, 2021 by one.opinion
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[Starise]

19 hours ago, WilliamL said:

"Many people died before the vaccine" because the CDC et. al. denied and suppressed and lied about other effective treatments. (They had to do this, because if they admitted to other effective treatments for Covid, then the EAU for the experimental mRNA treament could not have been issued so quickly.) If those effective treatments, published in March 2020, had been followed, 80%+ of the deaths would have been prevented. Therefore, the medical establishment's sole focus on developing a vaccine, while suppressing all other treatments, amounts to mass murder. When you are able to understand and confess to this, then and only then will I believe that you are weighing the evidence in balance. And the ends to which the global deep state is willing to go to push their agenda.

Even though I agree with you on the idea. It still makes no sense to me not to get the vaccine here's why:

I don't believe the deep state would create a problem and then offer an ineffective solution if it was the ONLY solution they are allowing. To offer an ineffective solution is to hurt their aims and objectives ( If you believe this).

To make this theory feasible we would need to accept that 'they' had a plan to make a virus and put it out to the public, they would then make a vaccine to combat the virus, but only after lots of people are already dead which is exactly what happened. If the vaccine is touted as a solution, why would they then put out something that had no positive effect on the virus. This would essentially make them look like fools to condone a solution and then come back with a shrug saying it didn't work.

The other possibility is they never really planned for a vaccine en masse to the public but maybe things were much worse than expected essentially halting society. I don't tend to believe this because I have read elsewhere 'they' were not only working on a virus 'they' were also working on a vaccine for it.

If I thought they took us for stooges and used the vaccine to implant a chip or nanotechnology I would be the first to reject it.We have NO proof of anything even remotely like that happening here, and this is after independent interests studied the vaccine.

My take on this has always been this was for two reasons. Population reduction and preparation for future compliance to something else more nefarious in the future. If for no other reason having the ability to make free societies into hoards of people compliant to big bother was probably means enough to an end. To have an ineffective solution though. I think that one is off the board.

 

[other one]

We just got our booster shots this morning...   I'll have the kids tell you if we die.

[other one]

4 hours ago, Starise said:

To make this theory feasible we would need to accept that 'they' had a plan to make a virus and put it out to the public, they would then make a vaccine to combat the virus, but only after lots of people are already dead which is exactly what happened.

How about the Chinese Communist party create the virus to destroy the economies of most of the countries of the world because their economy was in serious trouble....    And we made the vaccine to help that not to come to fruition.   The progressives realized what had happened and mess with the election in an attempt to destroy the economy anyway...   and here we are....

[Starise]

14 minutes ago, other one said:

We just got our booster shots this morning...   I'll have the kids tell you if we die.

I know that was a tongue in cheek statement. I certainly hope all is well. I have no reason to believe it won't be.

13 minutes ago, other one said:

How about the Chinese Communist party create the virus to destroy the economies of most of the countries of the world because their economy was in serious trouble....    And we made the vaccine to help that not to come to fruition.   The progressives realized what had happened and mess with the election in an attempt to destroy the economy anyway...   and here we are....

One day we will know what really happened. Might not be until we are in glory. By then, will it really matter? I could condense it by saying "bad guys doing bad things". 

The main issue I have with that theory is it all started right in their own country and affected their own people. There is always a counter argument. We could say the Chinese leaders care so little for their own people it didn't matter that it started there. To me it seems more likely it was something that was supposed to happen somewhere else in a different way but there was some kind of an accident that released it early. If the Chinese were developing it, they were weaponizing it for other countries in my opinion. If the ventures in the lab were co managed by other countries and even Fauci himself, only them and God  knows the original intent. 

Countries who play with viruses with the intent to make more of them are surely up to something. Of that much we can be certain. "If" they had been looking at ways to help alleviate existing viruses this would be much different than making new ones. 

One way the Chinese have prospered over the last 20 or 30 years was to use either very low payed or forced labor to make all kinds of products we buy. They call foreigners who go to China to make money 'white monkeys'. The US has probably been responsible in a very large way for their economic expansion. So they suck our economy dry by selling us things we can't afford to make for the same price here. We lay off workers and close factories because we have a labor force of Chinese worker ants. Then when our economy is tanked because of greedy business men who favored profits over the US job, a virus suddenly makes it way around the world.....sounds about right. 

There were secret meetings between Obama and the Chinese held at the north pole or it might have been in Antarctica, in any case no one knew what the meetings were about and the media never reported it. 

Several people claimed to have had prophetic dreams that Donald Trump would be our last president. I would say this has come true. He was our last legitimate president. I'm not sure we'll ever see another fairly elected man in office. The deep state has  managed to hoodwink the American people. By the time they wake up it will likely be too late.

I begged people to consider the POLICY over the PERSON. Trump has to go Trump has to go......ok. You got what you wanted. Now we can all live with the consequences. What people don't realize- This isn't just a whiff of smoke that will go away in four years. We will live with this from now on.

[teddyv]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

There were secret meetings between Obama and the Chinese held at the north pole or it might have been in Antarctica, in any case no one knew what the meetings were about and the media never reported it

Where does this stuff come from? If no one reported it, how do you know? I saw that Obama visited a small town in the Alaskan Arctic in 2015. There was something I could not access about Obama and Clinton meeting the Chinese in Copenhagen during a climate conference or something. Maybe conflated a couple events?

[one.opinion]

On 9/27/2021 at 12:59 PM, other one said:

We just got our booster shots this morning...   I'll have the kids tell you if we die.

Two questions:

What was your reaction like after your second shot?

and…

How are you feeling today, in comparison?

[other one]

8 hours ago, one.opinion said:

Two questions:

What was your reaction like after your second shot?

and…

How are you feeling today, in comparison?

The first 24 hours I didn't notice any reaction at all.   about 24 hours later my arm got a little sore and I felt kind of tired all day. After that day just normal.  It was the same after this booster shot.

 

This morning I feel just fine. BP 113/61 HR 61....   Temp 98.2   Glucose 104 and O2 level 95%.     BP was a little low yesterday at about the 24 hour time period. 100/55 but that's not uncommon for me these days early in the morning.  I don't have any symptoms of low BP when it's that low, just not a lot of energy.   As far as I know my temperature remained stable at my normal of 97.6 to 98.2  My watch checks my temperature off and on all day and reports to my phone, and my phone averages it out.   If it gets over 99 it will send me a notice.

Edited to add about the temp.

[one.opinion]

14 hours ago, other one said:

My watch checks my temperature off and on all day and reports to my phone, and my phone averages it out.   If it gets over 99 it will send me a notice.

Ok, Mr. Fancy Watch! ?