Teachers with itching ears

[enoob57]

22 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

And they overcome him (the antichrist) by the blood of the Lamb, and the word of their testimony, and they loved not their life to the death. Yes time will tell and many will shiver when the truth of the time comes. Will you be strong when you half to face it? You see there really is no  evidence to support your  belief. Jesus said "blessed are those who shall suffer for my sake" and this statement  will stand till the Lord comes again.

 

NO one should think or rejoice in being placed within the wrath of God for unregenerate man for the wrath we are presently is produced by satan’s effluence and those who follow him… also the curse God has placed on this place at the time of Adam…

[seeking the lost]

Sound doctrine is not determined by popularity.  Sound doctrine is determined by the unadulterated Word of God.  Itching ears gives credibility to the things we wish were true without regard for revealed truth.

[Mike Mclees]

5 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Hi.. forgive me OP please search more "This tells when The Pre -Trib Rapture was first preach by a man named Kim Darby in the year 830." <--this is so untrue. If you search and study we find there were many 300ad before that and after that wrote about the great tribulation and caught up happening first. One in 300-400AD a Hymn writer and preacher I saw the scroll on the INTERNET and then a TV show Grant Jeffrey showed those scrolls and you could read about how that hymn writer believed caught up would happen before the great tribulation.

I've listen to Dr Brown once pre trib now post trib say with a big smile "who has ever read the bible and come away with pre trib. Yeah no one".. here I am and many others like me. Then Jeffrey showed even more writing before 300ad. Perry Stone has share about them.. like him or not is not what were talking about. 

I don't know why "pre-trib" gets treated the way it does by some that love Jesus christ as lord. Oh man they make fun of them call them names.. that should say something right there. Fact no one is going to show that POST verse its not there nor a pre trib verse. 

A simple switch with one word will get you "The Post-Tribulation Rapture philosophy also leads to other false doctrines". 

To say "Suffering for Christ sake was not pleasing to them so the pre- Trb teaching  was just excepted and became popularized. This popularity made much money for the church that believed. this falsehood." Sorry who is "them" please tell me your not lumping ALL into one group. Again to just flip this I know off the top of my head some that have made allot of money off "POST TRIBULATION" books and talks what not.

Easy for me right now to say "I will die for you if I have to.. never deny you Jesus" Hello PETER! Now you and me don't wake up and see Jesus all day and then do SO many wonders all 12 did.. all 12 left Him. Wanna suffer for Jesus then head on over to some 3rd world nation.. yeah not gonna happen. Hundreds of thousands of our brothers and sisters suffer so much.. just awful things. Gonna head on over there and tell them .. sorry its going to get so much worse.. so bad you cant even grasp it. 

Face it we have to have faith that He went to make us a home.. we will never see taste Gods wrath. No one knows. Were you promised tomorrow? Hmm maybe do like He said. watch pray be ready now? Since this is the moment He gave us. I always share this a great man of God went home now but said "I am post Trib but! If Jesus comes pre trib? I am ready now".  He knew the word study most of his life and knew what was not written. Very wise. 

5 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Hi.. forgive me OP please search more "This tells when The Pre -Trib Rapture was first preach by a man named Kim Darby in the year 830." <--this is so untrue. If you search and study we find there were many 300ad before that and after that wrote about the great tribulation and caught up happening first. One in 300-400AD a Hymn writer and preacher I saw the scroll on the INTERNET and then a TV show Grant Jeffrey showed those scrolls and you could read about how that hymn writer believed caught up would happen before the great tribulation.

I've listen to Dr Brown once pre trib now post trib say with a big smile "who has ever read the bible and come away with pre trib. Yeah no one".. here I am and many others like me. Then Jeffrey showed even more writing before 300ad. Perry Stone has share about them.. like him or not is not what were talking about. 

I don't know why "pre-trib" gets treated the way it does by some that love Jesus christ as lord. Oh man they make fun of them call them names.. that should say something right there. Fact no one is going to show that POST verse its not there nor a pre trib verse. 

A simple switch with one word will get you "The Post-Tribulation Rapture philosophy also leads to other false doctrines". 

To say "Suffering for Christ sake was not pleasing to them so the pre- Trb teaching  was just excepted and became popularized. This popularity made much money for the church that believed. this falsehood." Sorry who is "them" please tell me your not lumping ALL into one group. Again to just flip this I know off the top of my head some that have made allot of money off "POST TRIBULATION" books and talks what not.

Easy for me right now to say "I will die for you if I have to.. never deny you Jesus" Hello PETER! Now you and me don't wake up and see Jesus all day and then do SO many wonders all 12 did.. all 12 left Him. Wanna suffer for Jesus then head on over to some 3rd world nation.. yeah not gonna happen. Hundreds of thousands of our brothers and sisters suffer so much.. just awful things. Gonna head on over there and tell them .. sorry its going to get so much worse.. so bad you cant even grasp it. 

Face it we have to have faith that He went to make us a home.. we will never see taste Gods wrath. No one knows. Were you promised tomorrow? Hmm maybe do like He said. watch pray be ready now? Since this is the moment He gave us. I always share this a great man of God went home now but said "I am post Trib but! If Jesus comes pre trib? I am ready now".  He knew the word study most of his life and knew what was not written. Very wise. 

 

  

John Nelson Darby - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby

 

John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Da…

Is it Kim or John nelson. I must have it wrong some how . I do agree we should always be ready. Doctrinally  I'm not sure where you are at. Exsplain more about some hymn writer. Is the writer spoken of in the New Testament. or Old Testament?

 

[Mike Mclees]

Hi.. forgive me OP please search more "This tells when The Pre -Trib Rapture was first preach by a man named Kim Darby in the year 830." <--this is so untrue. 

Even if Pre - trib books were wrote long before Darby. I find no authentication for them. Therefore they could and they are just as  false then as they are today. The same argument exists. False teaching is always false teaching no matter the time period. Were these books popularized by named persons, and a specific time given. Where is the credibility?  

[JohnD]

I'm repeating myself...

The scriptures are infallible. And I used to get very puzzled by how scholars who held to the three traditional camps of eschatology (pre / mid / post tribulation rapture) could all three quote scriptures to support their held beliefs. Then one day the Spirit showed me they are all three correct about the rapture and all three wrong about the 70th Week of Daniel which is not one seven-year tribulation but is a seven year period of two three-and-a-half year tribulations: the first for the saints (the wrath of the devil and man) and the second (the wrath of God) for the devil and the world.

And the purpose for both is to once again bring the Jewish people back to their Messiah Jesus.

Tribulation #1

Revelation 13:5–18 (AV)
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Tribulation #2

Daniel 9:27 (AV)
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 12:11–13 (AV)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Jeremiah 30:7 (AV)
7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

The one rapture will take place PRE great tribulation MID 70th Week of Daniel POST tribulation of the saints.

This is not traditional Mid trib eschatology (which believes in one seven-year tribulation).

[JohnD]

This is not date setting either... to know when any of these events will take place, humanity will already be halfway through them when the temple sacrifice is abated.  We can rest assured that until the Jewish Temple again stands on Mount Meriah, these things are not yet. The generation that sees the fig tree (Israel ~ Hosea 9:10) grow tender and put forth leaves (human religion ~ Genesis 3:7) will not pass till all these things are accomplished.

Matthew 24:32–34 (AV)
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

But the dates will have to be back dated once the temple sacrifice is abated. This is when the beast makes his ultimate move believing the Christians are already exterminated...

2 Thessalonians 2:1–11 (AV)
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

He will desecrate the holy of holies and sit upon the ark of the covenant and declare himself to be God. Then he will renege on his covenant with the Jews and revert to his "Jerusalem" which is Babylon.

Zechariah 5:5–11 (AV)
5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.
6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork*: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

* storks were unclean birds according to Law

[Mike Mclees]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

This is not date setting either... to know when any of these events will take place, humanity will already be halfway through them when the temple sacrifice is abated.  We can rest assured that until the Jewish Temple again stands on Mount Meriah, these things are not yet. The generation that sees the fig tree (Israel ~ Hosea 9:10) grow tender and put forth leaves (human religion ~ Genesis 3:7) will not pass till all these things are accomplished.

Matthew 24:32–34 (AV)
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

But the dates will have to be back dated once the temple sacrifice is abated. This is when the beast makes his ultimate move believing the Christians are already exterminated...

2 Thessalonians 2:1–11 (AV)
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

He will desecrate the holy of holies and sit upon the ark of the covenant and declare himself to be God. Then he will renege on his covenant with the Jews and revert to his "Jerusalem" which is Babylon.

Zechariah 5:5–11 (AV)
5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.
6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork*: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

* storks were unclean birds according to Law

Thank you very much John D for clearing up much confusion about the final seven years. I have also a graph that is more simplified. I would l start my graph with  Jesus telling the Disciples." These things I have spoken that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shave tribulation."

They were having tribulations even as they spoke. The church has had tribulations from its founding right up to the Abomination of Desolation  3&1/2 years into the final seven  years  which then changed the final 3&1/2 yrs to  the great Tribulation.  

Edited October 11, 2021 by Mike Mclees

[Mike Mclees]

On 10/11/2021 at 9:38 AM, Mike Mclees said:

Thank you very much John D for clearing up much confusion about the final seven years. I have also a graph that is more simplified. I would l start my graph with  Jesus telling the Disciples." These things I have spoken that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shave tribulation."

They were having tribulations even as they spoke. The church has had tribulations from its founding right up to the Abomination of Desolation  3&1/2 years into the final seven  years  which then changed the final 3&1/2 yrs to  the great Tribulation.  

How many believe that what I have said is truth. Does this offend many who have been taught differently? I since a certain silence. Is this because they have no agreement or enlightenment concerning what i said? I have  not come here to fight with anyone, only speak what I know to be reveled truth. Have i spoken truth? In my spirit I know I have. Would any speak up? Even just one

[Justin Adams]

If you do not take into account the ancient cosmology of scriptural prophesy then burn your prophesy books and start over.

No one has a true handle on it all and to claim you do is wrong. It is disingenuous.

The first advent was obtuse and veiled. Why? So the spiritual apostates could not fathom it. The apostle said: " if they had known they never would have killed the Lord of Glory". Did we not read and understand what he was getting at?

Do you really think that giving the aberrant powers and principalities a 'heads up' would be what God wants?

He told us what to do: "Go into all the world and make disciples.."  Why do we not do just that and let the chips fall where God wants them to? We will never figure it out anyway and just spin our wheels pretending we do.

Edited October 13, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Mike Mclees]

Could you rephrase your first comment. I do not see where you are coming from. What does cosmology  of scriptural prophesy have to do with the subject matter that I am speaking of. I have spoken of nothing deceptive or fraudulent. I wonder if we are on the same page. Please explain what you are saying in terms to what I have said.