As in the Days of Noe.

[Heleadethme]

19 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

You just claimed "before Christ" God required Works but "after" it changed.

 

My Bible tells me God is the [SAME] yesterday, today, forever.

 

So, HOW did God change before/after Christ if He is the Same yesterday, today, forever?

 

You're making God out to be a liar!!

Amen, God does not change.....salvation has always been by faith.  Hebrews 11 is a good read about that, the saints of the old testament who had faith became inheritors of eternal life.  No one was saved by Law keeping but by faith.  However, as James speaks about it, their faith wrought with their works...if they had faith but were completely disobedient and reprobate (ie, no good works/fruit) their faith would not have saved them in that case.  Same with us under the new covenant. 

[Cntrysner]

18 hours ago, Josheb said:

Covering a sin is not salvation. You have not proven your claims. You claimed folks were saved by works. That is not true. 

Old testament remission was temporal remission and required obedience on the part of the sinner and God passed over their sins. The obedience required a physical act therefore it was a work of the flesh as seen in sacrifice, baptism, circumcision, etc.

The truth in Christ is that we can now access eternal remission without a work of the flesh but spiritually by the faith and works of Christ in who all at this time not before his death have eternal remission of sins. 

Mat_26:28  For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Heb_9:16  For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb_9:17  For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

When we read the words remission and saved they have different meanings in the context of whether they are before the cross ( work of the flesh required) or in Christ Jesus by faith (no work required).

Salvation has always been by the grace of God but now in Christ it is attained without the need of works of the flesh therefore it is a free gift and it must be received freely or it is void and is of no effect. The Jews rejected Christ and slew Him because in their hearts they believed salvation was of the Jews through their obedience to sacrifice and other rituals of purification under the law. This type of self righteousness was ingrained in them and they could not turn away from it because God had in the past by His grace granted them a temporal salvation through their works. They took the shadow of things to come and perverted it in to self righteousness in the sense that it was their forbidden fruit but God still saved (temporal) them from the penalty of sin which is death as he did Adam in the garden. Through sacrifice they were to have the knowledge of their evil (sin) but they perceived it as their good (self righteousness). 
 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Cntrysner
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[AandW_Rootbeer]

53 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Amen, God does not change.....salvation has always been by faith.  Hebrews 11 is a good read about that, the saints of the old testament who had faith became inheritors of eternal life.  No one was saved by Law keeping but by faith.  However, as James speaks about it, their faith wrought with their works...if they had faith but were completely disobedient and reprobate (ie, no good works/fruit) their faith would not have saved them in that case.  Same with us under the new covenant. 

I love to make things and people enjoy buying them.   It's not WORK because I love what I do.

 

If we LOVE God, we naturally share Him with Others.  Some will say that is WORK, and it is, but I am not doing out of a Requirement, I am doing it out of Love for God.   But, even if I did not share Christ with Others, I am still going to Heaven.   So WORKS, has [no bearing], on my Eternal Salvation!

 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by AandW_Rootbeer

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Josheb said:

And what does the New Testament say about that? Oh wait; I already posted that information. 

 

Tell me, Ycf, what do you do to keep from Judaizing Christianity? 

Philippians 3:1-21
"Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you.  Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;  for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,  although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more:  circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee;  as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.  But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.  More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,  and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,  that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;  in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.  Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.  Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,  I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.  Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you;  however, let us keep living by that same standard to which we have attained.  Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us.  For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ,  whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things.  For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;  who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself."

 

Beware of the dogs. 

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

***I posted Genesis 17:14

It was the word of the Lord before the Covenant of Sinai.

It is about the history of the matter conserning the Patriarch with the imputed righteousness and armed with the Covenant of Circumcision this is Abraham.

Not Abram but Abraham.

That day God made a New Man and he named him Abraham and he bestowed on him a special blessing he put in him the seed of Issac, he did not change his seed only he put in him the chosen seed of Isaac. He emphasized to him that this is to be use with Sarah (God also change her name from Sarai to Sarah) because he also put a special blessing on her to give birth to the chosen seed and he told them that his name is Issac. 

This has happened for the first time, never before has happened something like that. 

Ismael was the first  born thirteen years old at the time borned to Abraham before ttheLord change his name and before the Covenant of Circumcision. 

The first born to Abraham within the Covenant of Circumcision from the Circumcised Abraham was Issac.

The Lord settled the rivalry between the two first born Ismael and Issac in a spectacular way, He blessed Ismael so much and earlier in his life way earlier than Issac as he was fourteen years older to Issac with a lot of children and a lot of wealth and he made him an "arhon" and a ruler over his own people, he was blessed so much and a lot earlier than Issac and independent to Abraham that he had everything his heart decided and he was not in any rivalry with Issac. 

He did not have to result in what Absalom did against his Father David to become a ruler and a King. God settle this matter in the heart of Ismael, He satisfy him to the core with everything that..

When Abraham died he came to Issac and they mourned their Father together. 

[Your closest friendnt]

Abraham was the Patriarch of righteousness but he was not the Patriarch of Holiness. And definitely not the Patriarch of Life, that's why Abraham could not be the Mediator he could not stand in the presence of God. 

All the time God was coming to him everytime he wanted to tell him something and that was in a safe way and with a safe distance between the two of them. It was always a safe cushion between him and the Lord.

Abraham could not stand in the presence of God he was without Holiness and could not go where God was. 

All the time a safe distance separated the two of them. 

The only exception was made later on with Moses and one time with Joshua when he stand with Moses in the shadowed of Moses by the entrance to the Tent of Testimony far far away from the people, every one was pull far away let's they be consumed by the presence of the Lord. What a glorious day that was for Moses and Joshua. 

The deal of the Lords approval of Joshua, his seal that he was under his protection and if one comes against him it is if he comes against the Lord, the same protection that was upon Moses. 

[Your closest friendnt]

@Josheb we were discussing the history of Abraham the Patriarch of the imputed righteousness (the first ever man with imputed righteousness, and armed with the Covenant of Circumcision so he can include his descendants in the imputed righteousness through Issac and Jacob and all the house of Jacob whom God change his name to Israel because he included all his household, giving Jacob what he had asked him or what he long for his children. 

We were talking about how God made Abraham and his descendants ONE through the blessing of the Covenant of Circumcision. 

And we cover the period till the ten commandments and the Sinai Covenant. 

Without prejudice you have posted scriptures from the epistolary of Paul to the church of the Philippians.

(Philippians in greek it originates from the Macedonian King Philip the Father of Alexander the great and it consist of two words the first is philos (friend) and the other ones is ippos (horse) Philippos the friend of horses, the one who loves and protects the horses, then we have the English "Philip".

I do not see the need to venture in the rein of the Patriarch of God's righteousness in Jesus Christ the Son of God after his sacrifice on the Cross and his resurrection and glorification and that too but not before we discuss Abraham as the Patriarch of the imputed righteousness to his descendants in two settings, the first till the Sinai Covenant and the second within the Sinai Covenant and then we can make the distinction from one period to the other and proceed to make the distinction between everything inclusive in the Law

(and the significance of the circumcision within the Law and before the Law was given) 

And then we may proceed to understand how Paul is distinguish everything in the Law from the Grace period of God in Jesus Christ in which the whole world now stands since the sacrifice of the Lamb of God on the Cross outside of the permeters of the Holy place in the Temple and without the need of the Priesthood.

In which Grace period we also live as Paul and the disciples lived, with the exception that they were born and raised and lived part of their lives in the Law and the later part of their lives in the Grace period of God in Jesus Christ.  

Abraham was the first man God imputed righteousness to him and through the Covenant of Circumcision the righteousness was bestowed upon his descendants the Nation of God in righteousness by the Circumcision but not in Holiness as the Holiness came to Nation of God through the Priesthood and the Temple worshiped. 

Before that the people of the Nation of God were in the imputed righteousness as their sins were not counted against them as they were not given any Law...because they did not have a way to have the excelaiosis for their sins ATONMENTS as they did not have the Priesthood the Holy Temple the Holy vessels the Arc the altar the table of shew bread the minora the burners of incense and AARON. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

I love to make things and people enjoy buying them.   It's not WORK because I love what I do.

 

If we LOVE God, we naturally share Him with Others.  Some will say that is WORK, and it is, but I am not doing out of a Requirement, I am doing it out of Love for God.   But, even if I did not share Christ with Others, I am still going to Heaven.   So WORKS, has [no bearing], on my Eternal Salvation!

 

 

Hi A and W, 

You may still be going to heaven I agree, but IT HAS BEARING on your rewards and placement or rank does it not? 

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[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Ismael was the first  born thirteen years old at the time borned to Abraham before ttheLord change his name and before the Covenant of Circumcision. 

The first born to Abraham within the Covenant of Circumcision from the Circumcised Abraham was Issac.

Of course, more of the details that I miss..., thank you again.  

 

35 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Abraham was the first man God imputed righteousness to him and through the Covenant of Circumcision the righteousness was bestowed upon his descendants the Nation of God in righteousness by the Circumcision but not in Holiness as the Holiness came to Nation of God through the Priesthood and the Temple worshiped. 

Feel free to expand if you want.  Just enjoying it all being brought together like this.


 

[Cntrysner]

6 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

They were SAVED like we are NOW!

When Christ was Crucified, His Redemption goes back to Adam/Eve and as forward until His Second Coming!

 

The Story of Lazarus proves Souls once held in a prison [before Christ's Resurrection] become freed/released [after Christ's Resurrection] the very same way when we die today, we are now Resurrected.

 

All of it, going back into time and then going opposite direction into the future, the Act upon the Cross made everything the SAME.

 

There are no differences from Old Testament, New Testament, and Today because of the One Time Death/Burial/Resurrection of Christ.

You are arguing against scripture....I offer it yet again...

Heb_9:16  For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb_9:17  For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

You can not impart to others before the death of Christ something that had no strength or effectiveness. It had no effect until His death therefore it was not effectual for them before His death.

Rom_16:25  Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Eph_3:4  Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph_3:9  And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Col_1:27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Do not fear for them before His death because Christ descended to the lower parts of the earth were they were held in bondage until the mystery of Christ was revealed to set the captives free by His gospel. 

Eph 4:9  (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 
Eph 4:10  He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Cntrysner
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[Bawb]

On 11/11/2021 at 11:25 AM, Starise said:

I think we already know that with mention of things like chimeras we will loose most of the old guard. I don't doubt it though. If you follow this and read what has been disclosed we can safely assume we are only hearing 2% of what's REALLY happening. In our time we would say men have gotten so smart in tech that we can splice and alter DNA to make new things. These things are all very secretive yet eventually I think we will see the results of these things in a more public way. There may come a time when it will be tough to figure out who the real humans are.

One key phrase sticks out in comparing then and now- 

Genesis 6:4 reads, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.”

Body modification started with piercings and tattoos. Where will it eventually end? Most of our food is already genetically modified.

Yes brother, yes! I believe you have hit the nail right on the head! They have "humanized mice", Elon Musk is bound and determined to put a chip into someone's head. He's already done it to a video game playing monkey. For all we know he may even have one in his head.

All of this "body modification" you are talking about is also demonic. The Bible mentions tattoos just once, at Leviticus 19:28, which says: “You must not put tattoo marking upon yourselves.” God gave this command to the nation of Israel, thus setting them apart from the neighboring peoples who marked their skin with the names or symbols of their gods and their dead." Who are the "gods" people are defiling themselves with today? And how many of them have their "loved ones" who have passed tattooed onto their bodies?

The Bible encourages Christians: “Present your bodies a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason.” Does any Christian honestly think YeHoVah wants all of this graffiti on His Temple?