The problem with Homosexuality

[teddyv]

4 hours ago, Abrielle said:

 

Please, forgive me if i misrepresented your post with mine.

I think that homosexuality is not any different than being a celibatarian, or even a married person, or single person. The animalistic nature of sexuality exists for all. Even a married couple can make wrong choices with each other, together. The topic is about homossexuals, so i get that you would mention them in particular, but i added my post thinking about the kid who is struggling with what he/she hears in the media/school/etc. and what the Holy Spirit tells them in their conscience. Their burden is heavy, we all have a burden, so they are not alone, they are able to surpass this, God didn't create them to be miserable, we are all the same, we all deny ourselves so Jesus can live in us.

 

 

No worries. In fact, I understand why you initially responded. I could have been clearer.

[Mozart's Starling]

I always figured homsexuality is a sin because it is sex divorced of its purpose to reproduce and bring glory to God with your children. Homsexual sex can only ever be about pleasure making it an issue.

[DeighAnn]

The problem for me is THOSE who are demanding I accept it as ok.  Those who make sure every show I watch I have to be subjected to it.  I don't go around trying to make everyone accept and say MY SINS are ok.  I fight against them.  Sure we are all sinners but THIS is taking sin to a whole OLD level and bad things happened.  

I also take issue because of what is it doing to our country.  Just like the Houses that came before they turned from Gods commands and turned to their own ways.  It was bad enough with Abortion becoming legal, then took God out of the schools, now taking it out of the Government and now same sex marriage.  ANY ONE CARE TO GUESS HOW GOD ACTS TOWARDS THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR?  WE are all going to pay the price.  Makes me understand why God said (not in these words) 'kill them all or they will infect you till you drive me away'.  Christians by nature aren't very aggressive.  Stand up and fight for God, no.  Live and let live.  Well we always live and let live until we get so lost we don't know who we are.  So,  as GOD HAS ALWAYS DONE, He lets us go.  Anyone notice the changes taking place in America?  Any of them good?  Wonder why?  It's all our own fault for not STANDING UP AND CRYING OUT 'IN GOD WE TRUST' this is a NATION founded UNDER GOD.  We let every other religion trample all over us. 

I remember back when Calif started bringing all these laws against God into being.  I told everyone YOU WATCH, they are gonna burn.  I am stopping right now.    D

Edited October 25, 2021 by DeighAnn
my sins

[OneLight]

Sexual sin seems to be the one sin that affects us the most as it is taken personally.  From homosexuality to NAMBLA to bestiality (the list can go on), what is not of God turns the stomach of those who follow God.  Christians have been warned that this would happen since the letters of the early church had been passed around.  Take the words from 2 Timothy 3:1-5

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

The world is fulfilling this prophecy to the letter.  This fits all sin. not just sexual sin, but sexual sin is different than any other sin, as we read from 1 Corinthians 6:18-20

Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

What about those who are drawn to sexual sins?  Should we turn them away because of their sin, or should we love them enough to show them their sin?  That's a hard one to answer due to how sexual sins affect us spiritually.  It takes the love of Christ working through us to even be able to sit down in a discussion with these people.  It takes the leading of the Holy Spirit to know how to approach the subject and to have the words to say to them.  Remember the words Paul wrote to the church of Corinth about love found in 1 Corinthians 13:3-13

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails ... snip ...

And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

We know that many are turning away from God, which was also spoken about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, before the return of Jesus, and we are seeing this unfold right before our eyes.  With all the warnings from scripture, the body of Christ should not be shocked as what the world is doing, but prepared for we were forewarned.  My only advice is to seek His leading as to what He would have you do for Him about these issues we now face and not spend a lot of time wasted complaining about it.

[Starise]

19 minutes ago, OneLight said:

What about those who are drawn to sexual sins?  Should we turn them away because of their sin, or should we love them enough to show them their sin?  That's a hard one to answer due to how sexual sins affect us spiritually.  It takes the love of Christ working through us to even be able to sit down in a discussion with these people.  It takes the leading of the Holy Spirit to know how to approach the subject and to have the words to say to them.  Remember the words Paul wrote to the church of Corinth about love found in 1 Corinthians 13:3-13

I believe there is a point where people go too far and God gives them over to their sinful desires, and the reason for the seared conscience. There is a point where God pursues and a point where God stops pursuing. I maybe falsely assume all who willingly go into this sin, even going so far as to have pride days about it,  have probably been ticked off the list. 

> This person has already decided to do something they know God is against.Not just once but in a "relationship" over a long period of time or with multiple partners. This more than implies the willingness never to confess, never to acknowledge it's a sin, and instead to go the completely opposite direction.

What kind of dialog can you have with a person like that? If God gave them up there is certainly nothing I can attempt to do for them.

This is why Sodom and Gomorrah left God no other choice. These people were beyond reckoning.

Occasionally someone will, by miracle of miracles, begin to sober up out of the sin sleep. Doesn't seem to happen very often though and I see it as truly a miracle of God. I can see where it would really play with a person's head who A. Has this  sinful attraction and B. Is being told by society it's all ok and they should be proud of it.

At some point they realize this part of them isn't a good thing. It's a self destructive thing, but by then they are past caring. They didn't want God in their knowledge, or they attempted to make a God who would allow their behavior. This never works. It's simply denial. They can't stay in the 'middle' or grey area. So most of them just get deeper and deeper into it becoming more and more blind, hardened and seared.

If the question is , How do we discuss anything with these people? With most of them we probably don't. There is no discussion. We are those primitive Christian ludites who will never adopt the more modern better ways of accepting the 'new morality' which is really just old immorality. We still believe in that book the bible that has been proven to be bogus ( according to them) written by a bunch of Jews with imaginations. What can they do in response to our insistence that God calls sin sin? Make up 'homo' terms for us- like homophobe. Make us look like haters. The bearers of the truth are the enemy. No common ground. Unless God works a miracle to open their eyes and they allow themselves to see, it's sad to say there's no hope.

 

[OneLight]

9 minutes ago, Starise said:

56 minutes ago, OneLight said:

What about those who are drawn to sexual sins?  Should we turn them away because of their sin, or should we love them enough to show them their sin?  That's a hard one to answer due to how sexual sins affect us spiritually.  It takes the love of Christ working through us to even be able to sit down in a discussion with these people.  It takes the leading of the Holy Spirit to know how to approach the subject and to have the words to say to them.  Remember the words Paul wrote to the church of Corinth about love found in 1 Corinthians 13:3-13

I believe there is a point where people go too far and God gives them over to their sinful desires, and the reason for the seared conscience. There is a point where God pursues and a point where God stops pursuing. I maybe falsely assume all who willingly go into this sin, even going so far as to have pride days about it,  have probably been ticked off the list. 

> This person has already decided to do something they know God is against.Not just once but in a "relationship" over a long period of time or with multiple partners. This more than implies the willingness never to confess, never to acknowledge it's a sin, and instead to go the completely opposite direction.

What kind of dialog can you have with a person like that? If God gave them up there is certainly nothing I can attempt to do for them.

This is why Sodom and Gomorrah left God no other choice. These people were beyond reckoning.

Occasionally someone will, by miracle of miracles, begin to sober up out of the sin sleep. Doesn't seem to happen very often though and I see it as truly a miracle of God. I can see where it would really play with a person's head who A. Has this  sinful attraction and B. Is being told by society it's all ok and they should be proud of it.

At some point they realize this part of them isn't a good thing. It's a self destructive thing, but by then they are past caring. They didn't want God in their knowledge, or they attempted to make a God who would allow their behavior. This never works. It's simply denial. They can't stay in the 'middle' or grey area. So most of them just get deeper and deeper into it becoming more and more blind, hardened and seared.

If the question is , How do we discuss anything with these people? With most of them we probably don't. There is no discussion. We are those primitive Christian ludites who will never adopt the more modern better ways of accepting the 'new morality' which is really just old immorality. We still believe in that book the bible that has been proven to be bogus ( according to them) written by a bunch of Jews with imaginations. What can they do in response to our insistence that God calls sin sin? Make up 'homo' terms for us- like homophobe. Make us look like haters. The bearers of the truth are the enemy. No common ground. Unless God works a miracle to open their eyes and they allow themselves to see, it's sad to say there's no hope.

 

You give all the reasons why one should follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.  He knows when a person who lives in sin is ready to be approached about their lifestyle.  He knows who He has stopped pursuing.  This is why I clearly stated that " It takes the leading of the Holy Spirit to know how to approach the subject and to have the words to say to them. ", which includes the understanding that if there is no leading of the Holy Spirit to approach them, there will be no words to speak.

[Starise]

1 minute ago, OneLight said:

You give all the reasons why one should follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.  He knows when a person who lives in sin is ready to be approached about their lifestyle.  He knows who He has stopped pursuing.  This is why I clearly stated that " It takes the leading of the Holy Spirit to know how to approach the subject and to have the words to say to them. ", which includes the understanding that if there is no leading of the Holy Spirit to approach them, there will be no words to speak.

This is why I expounded on your thoughts to a greater degree. Because to me it wasn't necessarily clear. The leading of the Holy Spirit says a lot to a Christian, but there are those who might not pick up on what that means exactly. In any case, as almost always is the case, my posts aren't directed at individuals other than to maybe add to something I thought while I read what they posted. Not in any way intended as a correction

[DeighAnn]

23 minutes ago, Starise said:

What can they do in response to our insistence that God calls sin sin? Make up 'homo' terms for us- like homophobe. Make us look like haters. The bearers of the truth are the enemy. No common ground. Unless God works a miracle to open their eyes and they allow themselves to see, it's sad to say there's no hope.

We are witnessing and living in the times of good made evil...

Edited October 25, 2021 by DeighAnn
in the time of

[OneLight]

14 minutes ago, Starise said:

This is why I expounded on your thoughts to a greater degree. Because to me it wasn't necessarily clear. The leading of the Holy Spirit says a lot to a Christian, but there are those who might not pick up on what that means exactly. In any case, as almost always is the case, my posts aren't directed at individuals other than to maybe add to something I thought while I read what they posted. Not in any way intended as a correction

I understand, but despite this understanding, I was trying to teach others how to fish and not just give them a meal.  If I was "unclear", then this should cause them to search scripture for clarity, or ask themselves. 

[Dennis1209]

Perhaps I missed something in Genesis with the story of Adam & Steve? Or the part where Sodom & Gomorrah was told to; be fruitful and multiply? I guess I don't understand biblical teachings to be all inclusive, politically correct, not to exclude anyone based on immoral choices, conduct and behaviors. 

There was a time not long ago, where Christians and the collective body of the church influenced our laws and government. Now it is a 180-degree reversal, the government is mandating, dictating and influencing the body of Christ. 

Can anyone say, "in the last days?"

I didn't mean to be sarcastic, but what many churches are now doing and teaching, makes my stomach churn. Barf in my mouth would be more poignant.