The Temple of Flesh or the Temple of Stone?

[Diaste]

1 Cor 3

"Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple."

1 Cor 6

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God?"

2 Cor 6

"What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God."

The above is indisputable fact.

But so is this:

2 Thess 2

"So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

So if the body corporate is the only Temple of God  then the 'he' of 2 Thess 2 will have to unseat God in His own Temple by invading the physical existence of every believer and in effect possessing millions of individuals.

It's more than obvious the 'he' in 2 Thess 2 has no such power or authority to body check the Holy Spirit out of His own house, a house and home decreed by our Father to be His dwelling place. Ergo, this Temple of the body corporate and individual is not the Temple in which the 'he' of 2 Thess 2 will seat himself and declare himself God.

So which Temple is it? Since the Holy Spirit and our Father do not any longer inhabit a Temple of stone, as in ancient times, this 'he' can only ascend and seat himself in a Temple of stone. Therefore there must be a stone Temple ostensibly dedicated to God, but not sanctioned by our Father, a Temple of pretense and unapproved ritual wholly outside God's desires, intent, purpose and the truth of the real Temple and it's natural existence.

So 'when' is the 2 Thess 2 Temple? I would offer a parallel. If it's been established the true Temple of God and the dwelling of the Holy Spirit is the body corporate and individual, and that was true in the 1st century and it is true today, then it must be the true Temple exists now in 2021. If the truth Paul taught about the real Temple spans 20 centuries the prophecy of 2 Thess 2 can also span the centuries; and did not require a 1st century fulfillment.

That and the fact the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement has been working on this since 1967 and has everything required to build another Temple, is quite telling.

Bless the Lord!

He is coming!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Marilyn C]

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

 

So 'when' is the 2 Thess 2 Temple? I would offer a parallel. If it's been established the true Temple of God and the dwelling of the Holy Spirit is the body corporate and individual, and that was true in the 1st century and it is true today, then it must be the true Temple exists now in 2021. If the truth Paul taught about the real Temple spans 20 centuries the prophecy of 2 Thess 2 can also span the centuries; and did not require a 1st century fulfillment.

That and the fact the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement has been working on this since 1967 and has everything required to build another Temple, is quite telling.

Bless the Lord!

He is coming!

Hi Diaste,

I believe God is NOT going to allow Satan through the A/C to desecrate His third Temple. That temple will be built in the millennium as the prophet Ezekiel reveals. (Ez. 40 - 48) It will have the glory of God there, so NO Satanic interference.

`And behold, the glory of God of Israel came by the way of the east. His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory....` (Ez. 43: 2)

The Temple that the A/C sets up his image is where Israel worships today.

 

 

 

People will be able to see the `image,` abomination,` as it is all open. 

[WilliamL]

On 11/6/2021 at 3:49 AM, Diaste said:

Since the Holy Spirit and our Father do not any longer inhabit a Temple of stone, as in ancient times, this 'he' can only ascend and seat himself in a Temple of stone. Therefore there must be a stone Temple ostensibly dedicated to God,

While I agree with your general premise, in regards to the necessity of a "temple of stone" I disagree.

The word in question is naos, which refers to a holy sanctuary. (Heiron refers to a whole temple complex The two terms were never mixed up in the NT.) The original Mosaic sanctuary, as well as original Davidic sanctuary, was a tent, and there has been some discussion among the Jews that such a tent might be sufficient at the get-go.

[Diaste]

13 hours ago, WilliamL said:

While I agree with your general premise, in regards to the necessity of a "temple of stone" I disagree.

The word in question is naos, which refers to a holy sanctuary. (Heiron refers to a whole temple complex The two terms were never mixed up in the NT.) The original Mosaic sanctuary, as well as original Davidic sanctuary, was a tent, and there has been some discussion among the Jews that such a tent might be sufficient at the get-go.

That is interesting. I guess I could see that as reasonable seeing how Matthew records Jesus as saying 'standing in the holy place' and Mark records, 'where it should not be". As long as that place, whatever it is, exists and is that certain spot sacred to the Jews where an abominations occurs and a person claims to be God inside the structure...I'd be convinced.

[Michael37]

On 11/6/2021 at 10:49 PM, Diaste said:

1 Cor 3

"Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple."

1 Cor 6

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God?"

2 Cor 6

"What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God."

The above is indisputable fact.

But so is this:

2 Thess 2

"So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

So if the body corporate is the only Temple of God  then the 'he' of 2 Thess 2 will have to unseat God in His own Temple by invading the physical existence of every believer and in effect possessing millions of individuals.

It's more than obvious the 'he' in 2 Thess 2 has no such power or authority to body check the Holy Spirit out of His own house, a house and home decreed by our Father to be His dwelling place. Ergo, this Temple of the body corporate and individual is not the Temple in which the 'he' of 2 Thess 2 will seat himself and declare himself God.

So which Temple is it? Since the Holy Spirit and our Father do not any longer inhabit a Temple of stone, as in ancient times, this 'he' can only ascend and seat himself in a Temple of stone. Therefore there must be a stone Temple ostensibly dedicated to God, but not sanctioned by our Father, a Temple of pretense and unapproved ritual wholly outside God's desires, intent, purpose and the truth of the real Temple and it's natural existence.

So 'when' is the 2 Thess 2 Temple? I would offer a parallel. If it's been established the true Temple of God and the dwelling of the Holy Spirit is the body corporate and individual, and that was true in the 1st century and it is true today, then it must be the true Temple exists now in 2021. If the truth Paul taught about the real Temple spans 20 centuries the prophecy of 2 Thess 2 can also span the centuries; and did not require a 1st century fulfillment.

That and the fact the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement has been working on this since 1967 and has everything required to build another Temple, is quite telling.

Bless the Lord!

He is coming!

Some have speculated that the ultimate endtimes false prophet man of sin son of perdition is someone who rises up from within the historically established Christian community . . . appearing supernaturally anointed to all nations.

[AdHoc]

On 11/6/2021 at 10:49 AM, Diaste said:

1 Cor 3

"Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple."

1 Cor 6

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God?"

2 Cor 6

"What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God."

The above is indisputable fact.

But so is this:

2 Thess 2

"So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

So if the body corporate is the only Temple of God  then the 'he' of 2 Thess 2 will have to unseat God in His own Temple by invading the physical existence of every believer and in effect possessing millions of individuals.

It's more than obvious the 'he' in 2 Thess 2 has no such power or authority to body check the Holy Spirit out of His own house, a house and home decreed by our Father to be His dwelling place. Ergo, this Temple of the body corporate and individual is not the Temple in which the 'he' of 2 Thess 2 will seat himself and declare himself God.

So which Temple is it? Since the Holy Spirit and our Father do not any longer inhabit a Temple of stone, as in ancient times, this 'he' can only ascend and seat himself in a Temple of stone. Therefore there must be a stone Temple ostensibly dedicated to God, but not sanctioned by our Father, a Temple of pretense and unapproved ritual wholly outside God's desires, intent, purpose and the truth of the real Temple and it's natural existence.

So 'when' is the 2 Thess 2 Temple? I would offer a parallel. If it's been established the true Temple of God and the dwelling of the Holy Spirit is the body corporate and individual, and that was true in the 1st century and it is true today, then it must be the true Temple exists now in 2021. If the truth Paul taught about the real Temple spans 20 centuries the prophecy of 2 Thess 2 can also span the centuries; and did not require a 1st century fulfillment.

That and the fact the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement has been working on this since 1967 and has everything required to build another Temple, is quite telling.

Bless the Lord!

He is coming!

I agree in general with you. The Tabernacle was God's dwelling. So was Solomon's Temple. And our Lord Jesus called Zerubbabel's Temple "His Father's House" in John Chapter 2. It is not that God DID not dwell in a House made with hands, by that He will CHANGE His abode. This is revealed in John 4 as our Lord advises the Samaritan woman that "The hour COMES and NOW IS ... " that the PLACE where God is to be met is the human spirit. This is an eternal House and will never be given up. But the MAN Jesus will return to earth and set up His Kingdom at the end of this age. He will live somewhere. But besides being the "Most High" in other scriptures, to Israel He is called "EMANUEL" - that is, "God WITH us". The close of the age is a deciding point.

Two thousand years ago, EMANUEL was presented to Israel. He was rejected and leaves the Temple, His Father's House, "DESOLATE" (Matt.23:38). Since then, Jesus is preached to all nations including the Jews who are scattered among them. Now, at the very end they must choose. At Jesus' trial they chose Caesar. Who will they choose now after 2,000 years? So a Temple will be built. Matthew 24, 2nd Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 11 are clear. There will be a physical Temple in Jerusalem at the end of the age. And 2nd Thessalonians 2:4 calls it "God's Temple". Israel is God's people. Canaan is God's Good Land, and Jerusalem is "the city of the great King". God lays claim to anything built there - especially if Jews build it.

But Israel choose Caesar again - a Gentile king (Dan.9). And it is the final choice that provokes God. Matthew 24 advises all who "see" this event (that means that live at or near Jerusalem) to run and not stop to get their coats. Indeed, GOD'S Temple is occupied by an imposter.

The rest of the events are almost undisputed by all fundamental Bible students. Our Lord Jesus breaks forth from the clouds, frees Jerusalem and marches, with His army, to Armageddon were He has gathered the combined Gentile military power. In one battle, in one place, Christ destroys the military, and political power of the Gentiles. The prophets say that His kingdom is (i) one that will fill the whole earth and (ii) an everlasting kingdom. The question is; WHERE WILL THE KING LIVE??" The answer is - in the Temple of Ezekiel. This is for TWO REASONS;

1. The rebuilt Temple is defiled by a mere man - the Beast. God does not take second place to anyone
2. The Temple as the Jews know it does NOT reflect the finished work of Christ. Ezekiel's Temple is different to the first two because the Holy Place is no more. The Veil was torn and the way to God is open. There is no Veil and no reason for the contents of the Holy Place as EMANUEL is the fulfillment of them all.

The only question now to be answered is; What happens to the third Temple? We cannot say, but if we examine the evidence it is likely that the earthquake of Revelation 11:13 will destroy it.

Summary:

1. God has set up His House as the Church - a "spiritual House" (1st Pet.2). As the "Almighty" He does not live in a House made with hands
2. The INCARNATE God - Jesus - A MAN, will dwell in Jerusalem and will have, as His House, Ezekiel's Temple. The "greater Solomon" will not lack is glory and pomp as King of the whole earth with His House in Jerusalem.

[Diaste]

16 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I agree in general with you. The Tabernacle was God's dwelling. So was Solomon's Temple. And our Lord Jesus called Zerubbabel's Temple "His Father's House" in John Chapter 2. It is not that God DID not dwell in a House made with hands, by that He will CHANGE His abode. This is revealed in John 4 as our Lord advises the Samaritan woman that "The hour COMES and NOW IS ... " that the PLACE where God is to be met is the human spirit. This is an eternal House and will never be given up. But the MAN Jesus will return to earth and set up His Kingdom at the end of this age. He will live somewhere. But besides being the "Most High" in other scriptures, to Israel He is called "EMANUEL" - that is, "God WITH us". The close of the age is a deciding point.

Two thousand years ago, EMANUEL was presented to Israel. He was rejected and leaves the Temple, His Father's House, "DESOLATE" (Matt.23:38). Since then, Jesus is preached to all nations including the Jews who are scattered among them. Now, at the very end they must choose. At Jesus' trial they chose Caesar. Who will they choose now after 2,000 years? So a Temple will be built. Matthew 24, 2nd Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 11 are clear. There will be a physical Temple in Jerusalem at the end of the age. And 2nd Thessalonians 2:4 calls it "God's Temple". Israel is God's people. Canaan is God's Good Land, and Jerusalem is "the city of the great King". God lays claim to anything built there - especially if Jews build it.

But Israel choose Caesar again - a Gentile king (Dan.9). And it is the final choice that provokes God. Matthew 24 advises all who "see" this event (that means that live at or near Jerusalem) to run and not stop to get their coats. Indeed, GOD'S Temple is occupied by an imposter.

The rest of the events are almost undisputed by all fundamental Bible students. Our Lord Jesus breaks forth from the clouds, frees Jerusalem and marches, with His army, to Armageddon were He has gathered the combined Gentile military power. In one battle, in one place, Christ destroys the military, and political power of the Gentiles. The prophets say that His kingdom is (i) one that will fill the whole earth and (ii) an everlasting kingdom. The question is; WHERE WILL THE KING LIVE??" The answer is - in the Temple of Ezekiel. This is for TWO REASONS;

1. The rebuilt Temple is defiled by a mere man - the Beast. God does not take second place to anyone
2. The Temple as the Jews know it does NOT reflect the finished work of Christ. Ezekiel's Temple is different to the first two because the Holy Place is no more. The Veil was torn and the way to God is open. There is no Veil and no reason for the contents of the Holy Place as EMANUEL is the fulfillment of them all.

The only question now to be answered is; What happens to the third Temple? We cannot say, but if we examine the evidence it is likely that the earthquake of Revelation 11:13 will destroy it.

Summary:

1. God has set up His House as the Church - a "spiritual House" (1st Pet.2). As the "Almighty" He does not live in a House made with hands
2. The INCARNATE God - Jesus - A MAN, will dwell in Jerusalem and will have, as His House, Ezekiel's Temple. The "greater Solomon" will not lack is glory and pomp as King of the whole earth with His House in Jerusalem.

Sure. But I am not convinced any Temple built in Israel claimed to be dedicated to God where ritual sacrifice is held and liturgy observed exists by sanction of the Most High as sacred and holy. In fact it's a vehicle to bring the people to their knees and turn to the One True God. In that way and for that purpose God brings it to pass, not because of a requirement for animal sacrifice or worship, or a dwelling place.

[Diaste]

23 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Some have speculated that the ultimate endtimes false prophet man of sin son of perdition is someone who rises up from within the historically established Christian community . . . appearing supernaturally anointed to all nations.

Yes. I have heard that the one the Jews will accept as their Messiah must be a man born of the line of David, and that is the only messiah they will bow to. 

[Diaste]

On 11/6/2021 at 5:36 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

I believe God is NOT going to allow Satan through the A/C to desecrate His third Temple. That temple will be built in the millennium as the prophet Ezekiel reveals. (Ez. 40 - 48) It will have the glory of God there, so NO Satanic interference.

`And behold, the glory of God of Israel came by the way of the east. His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory....` (Ez. 43: 2)

The Temple that the A/C sets up his image is where Israel worships today.

 

 

 

People will be able to see the `image,` abomination,` as it is all open. 

It's possible. I have my doubts.

 

[AdHoc]

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Sure. But I am not convinced any Temple built in Israel claimed to be dedicated to God where ritual sacrifice is held and liturgy observed exists by sanction of the Most High as sacred and holy. In fact it's a vehicle to bring the people to their knees and turn to the One True God. In that way and for that purpose God brings it to pass, not because of a requirement for animal sacrifice or worship, or a dwelling place.

What then do you think of Exodus 29? It seems like that's exactly what the Tabernacle was for. In verses 43-46 the language is without ambiguity. 

But you have a good point. It is the physical Temple that is to be a "House of Prayer" for not only Israel, but the Gentiles.