truth7t7 Posted December 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below 1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews) 2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church) Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple Romans 9:6-8KJV 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below Matthew 21:43KJV 3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 1 Peter 2:9KJV 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Edited January 11, 2022 by truth7t7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatwo Posted December 25, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 573 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/18/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 25, 2021 That could change somethings about "Israel's" role in the end of the age...no? Tatwo...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted December 25, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, tatwo said: That could change somethings about "Israel's" role in the end of the age...no? Tatwo...:) The only role seen in the future is the (Remnant Elect Jew) being saved and added to the church on earth as Romans 11 describes There wont be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, where Jews rule the world from a temple in Jerusalem as many claim Edited December 25, 2021 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted December 25, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,038 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 1,454 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) On 12/24/2021 at 10:08 PM, truth7t7 said: Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below 1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews) 2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church) Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple Romans 9:6-8KJV 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below Matthew 21:43KJV 3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 1 Peter 2:9KJV 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; I propose that the title of the Thread NEVER occurs in scripture. Israel is the seed of Jacob via the womb. The Church is totally different. It is the offspring of a divine birth to the Father. Israel refused Christ. the Church embraces Him. Israel remain in unbelief and blindness till Christ has finished building the Church (Act.15:14-16). Israel is under chastisement in this age as per the penalties of the Law. The Church is in favor with Jehovah. Israel hate Jesus. The Church loves Him. Israel persecute the Church. Israel is still a separate entity in the Olive Tree ("natural branches" as opposed to "wild branches") AND later in New Jerusalem. The Church is the Walls of the City. Israel are the Gates. They never mix. If an Israelite embraces Jesus Christ he is a New Creature and old is passed away INCLUDING HIS ETHNICITY (2nd Cor.5:17). There are NO Israelites in the Church (Gal.3:28, Col.3:11). To mix Israel and the Church is exactly what our Lord warned Nicodemus about. Their ORIGINS are totally different. One from the womb, one by the Holy Spirit. Well has the author of the OP said. Israel are NOT the children of God. Edited December 25, 2021 by AdHoc spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted December 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, AdHoc said: I propose that the title of the Thread NEVER occurs in scripture. Israel is the seed of Jacob via the womb. The Church is totally different. It is the offspring of a divine birth to the Father. Israel refused Christ. the Church embraces Him. Israel remain in unbelief and blindness till Christ has finished building the Church (Act.15:14-16). Israel is under chastisement in this age as per the penalties of the Law. The Church is in favor with Jehovah. Israel hate Jesus. The Church loves Him. Israel persecute the Church. Israel is still a separate entity in the Olive Tree ("natural branches" as opposed to "wild branches") AND later in New Jerusalem. The Church is the Walls of the City. Israel are the Gates. They never mix. If an Israelite embraces Jesus Christ he is a New Creature and old is passed away INCLUDING HIS ETHNICITY (2nd Cor.5:17). There are NO Israelites in the Church (Gal.3:28, Col.3:11). To mix Israel and the Church is exactly what our Lord warned Nicodemus about. Their ORIGINS are totally different. One from the womb, one by the Holy Spirit. Well has the author of the OP said. Israel are NOT the children of God. All saved believers are "Jews" as scripture clearly teaches below, and yes the Church is the "Israel" of God, just as the opinion shows. Romans 2:28-29KJV 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Edited December 26, 2021 by truth7t7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted December 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 26, 2021 11 hours ago, truth7t7 said: All saved believers are "Jews" as scripture clearly teaches below, and yes the Church is the "Israel" of God, just as the opinion shows. Romans 2:28-29KJV 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. This is correct. The Israel of God is the natural olive tree into which we are grafted. The Israel of God is the one and only group of the faithful, of the seed of Abraham and in Christ Jesus. There is no entity 'church' apart from this. The Israel of God is the congregation of which all believers are members and is of the seed of Abraham which is faith in God, not a bloodline. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted December 26, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted December 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Diaste said: This is correct. The Israel of God is the natural olive tree into which we are grafted. The Israel of God is the one and only group of the faithful, of the seed of Abraham and in Christ Jesus. There is no entity 'church' apart from this. The Israel of God is the congregation of which all believers are members and is of the seed of Abraham which is faith in God, not a bloodline. Diaste,it looks to me that the title of the tread is that the Chrch replaced Israel ? Which did not happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted December 26, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted December 26, 2021 Romans 11:13-25 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.Romans 11:13-25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted December 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, angels4u said: Diaste,it looks to me that the title of the tread is that the Chrch replaced Israel ? Which did not happen.... Truth, it did not. The church is the Israel of God and the Gentiles are grafted into that congregation. There is no such thing a 'gentile church'. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted December 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 26, 2021 Galatians 3:26-29 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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