Will The (Two Witnesses) Of Revelation 11 Be Enoch And Elijah?

[truth7t7]

14 minutes ago, other one said:

God could give me that power if he chose me to be one of the two.   Don't give the individual doing Gods work the credit for the work.  It will be God who does those things not the two.   And that could be anyone God chooses.  If it mattered who these two are we would be told plainly.

The (Two Witnesses) "Alone" in Revelation Chapter 11 are the two olive trees and two candlesticks, they are the golden "Pipes" that will pour the golden oil/vials of Gods wrath upon the wicked world in "Plagues", this being the golden oil in vials, that is the prayers of the saints

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The explanation of Revelation 11:3-6, The Two Witnesses Are The olive trees and candlesticks, the two golden "Pipes" through which the golden oil in the vials of Gods wrath will flow in the seven last plagues

Zechariah 4:1-14KJV
1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.
7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.
10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Revelation 15:7-8KJV
7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Revelation 5:8KJV
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

[other one]

too many things put together that don't seem to me to belong.

[AdHoc]

12 hours ago, other one said:

It seems to me that Lazarus has already died twice.   Unless he's still alive.

I would think that if one has gone through the experience that it would not be a big deal to do it again.   Maybe hurt some.

I don't understand why it can't just be someone alive today filled with the Holy Spirit.
 

 

Yes. The situation is difficult for the human experience and perception. We have only little evidence to go on. I see it thus:

 

1. Our Lord Jesus. He is died, buried, risen and is IN HEAVEN  but bodily since nearly 2,000 years

2. Israel. God's threat to Israel was that they would be scattered among the Nations of EARTH and to the "four winds" of earth (Jer.49:36). So also is the prophecy of God restoring Israel again and gathering them from the four winds (Ezek.37:9). But in Mark 13:27 it reads; "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven." So also Matthew 24:31. Israel is gathered from the earth AND heaven. But notice that although the context is all things Jewish (especially in Matthew), it is not Israel that is gathered by "my ELECT". What I want to point out is that a great number of people are gathered from the Nations, but SOME must be gathered from "heaven".

3. The rapture in 1st Thessalonians 4 brings the resurrected to the "air and the clouds" for at least 3½ years if they are to miss the "wrath" of God (5:9)

4. Both Enoch and Elijah did not see death, that is, they are in their living bodies and God "took" them - Elijah to heaven.

5. The firstfruits of the Christians in Revelation 14 are *redeemed from the earth". That is, in living bodies in heaven.

I propose that the evidence shows that LIVING men can be, and ARE, in heaven. The bulk of men who were resurrected in the Bible were Israelites, but men like Enoch and Eutychus and probably Tabitha (Acts Chapter 20 & 9) were not. But Elijah, Moses and the group of resurrects on the same day as Jesus were probably Israelites. Thus God collects His "elect" from the four winds OF HEAVEN.

The last point we have to decide on is how we deal with God's Words. If He says that men die once, (i) is this His Word, and (ii) do we find a case of a man dying twice? I propose that God's Word stands and that we have not a single case documented in this Word where a man dies twice.

[Last Daze]

14 hours ago, other one said:

It seems to me that Lazarus has already died twice.   Unless he's still alive.

I would think that if one has gone through the experience that it would not be a big deal to do it again.   Maybe hurt some.

I don't understand why it can't just be someone alive today filled with the Holy Spirit.
 

 

And there are others.  People say that the many saints that came out of their graves after Jesus' resurrection died again.  People misuse the "appointed to die once" verse.  The context is the sufficiency of Christ's death.  They seem to dismiss what Jesus said:

• And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.  The one who has ears to hear, let him hear.  Matthew 11:14-15

When something is said and followed by "ears to hear" that is pointing to a spiritual understanding.

• And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of fathers back to their children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”  Luke 1:17

The two witnesses are primarily spiritual.  Yes there are natural bodies associated with them but that is secondary to who the two witnesses are, godly spirit beings.

[other one]

24 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

The two witnesses are primarily spiritual.  Yes there are natural bodies associated with them but that is secondary to who the two witnesses are, godly spirit beings.

do spirit beings die?  Or are these two faking it without telling us about it??   Don't know if that would be possible....

[Last Daze]

4 hours ago, other one said:

do spirit beings die?  Or are these two faking it without telling us about it??   Don't know if that would be possible....

Spirit beings can influence and empower natural beings.

• Now when the sons of the prophets who were at Jericho opposite him saw him, they said, “The spirit of Elijah has settled on Elisha.” And they came to meet him and bowed down to the ground before him.   2 Kings 2:15

The spirit that settled on Elisha was not some abstract demeanor or attitude.  It was a godly angel, the same angel that later settled on John.  That's why John is equated with the Elijah who was to come.  He came in the power and spirit of Elijah.

We don't know who the two natural witnesses are but what empowers them to do what they do are two godly spirits, the two who stand before the Lord of the earth.  The book of Enoch has a lot to say about the interplay between the natural and supernatural realms.

[other one]

5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Spirit beings can influence and empower natural beings.

• Now when the sons of the prophets who were at Jericho opposite him saw him, they said, “The spirit of Elijah has settled on Elisha.” And they came to meet him and bowed down to the ground before him.   2 Kings 2:15

The spirit that settled on Elisha was not some abstract demeanor or attitude.  It was a godly angel, the same angel that later settled on John.  That's why John is equated with the Elijah who was to come.  He came in the power and spirit of Elijah.

We don't know who the two natural witnesses are but what empowers them to do what they do are two godly spirits, the two who stand before the Lord of the earth.  The book of Enoch has a lot to say about the interplay between the natural and supernatural realms.

and I would say it is by the Holy Spirit that was given to us when we are saved.....    what miracles they can produce are simply the workings of the Holy Spirit.

[Jaydub]

17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Zechariah 4:1-14KJV
1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.
7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.
10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

What is this vision saying,  It is painting a picture of the Church to me.

The pipes going from the olive trees represent never ending oil, pouring out to the golden bowl, then to the lamps on the candlestick. Its a picture of Gods Holy Spirit going out to his people, a never ending flow of the Holy Spirit.  We are the light of the world. We are told to let our light shine. The first chapter of Revelation tells us that the 7 churches are the 7 lampstands. 

Why is this always over looked? They are called the two olive trees. Why is his over looked? Who does scripture say the olive tree is?

If Israel is the olive tree and gentiles a wild olive branch, wouldn't that make Gods people two olive trees?

It's interesting to me that in Zechariah 4, they are getting ready to build the temple and In Revelation, as John writes the temple is destroyed or soon will be. The two olive trees, before the cross and after the cross

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Jaydub said:

What is this vision saying,  It is painting a picture of the Church to me.

The pipes going from the olive trees represent never ending oil, pouring out to the golden bowl, then to the lamps on the candlestick. Its a picture of Gods Holy Spirit going out to his people, a never ending flow of the Holy Spirit.  We are the light of the world. We are told to let our light shine. The first chapter of Revelation tells us that the 7 churches are the 7 lampstands. 

Why is this always over looked? They are called the two olive trees. Why is his over looked? Who does scripture say the olive tree is?

If Israel is the olive tree and gentiles a wild olive branch, wouldn't that make Gods people two olive trees?

It's interesting to me that in Zechariah 4, they are getting ready to build the temple and In Revelation, as John writes the temple is destroyed or soon will be. The two olive trees, before the cross and after the cross

Same guys below, the future prophets that will return, and bring literal plagues upon this literal world

Revelation 11 4KJV

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zechariah 4:14KJV

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.