The Blood of Bulls and Goats.......

[Alive]

6 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Amen! 

 

However, I think it important to understand "not all Israel is Israel," and if and when that revelation is applied throughout the whole of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation then and entirely different understanding of "Israel," and what happened with the old covenant animal sacrifices ensues than what the Jews understood.

Yes--absolutely. "Seeing through a glass darkly" comes to mind. And then some.

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I think its important and I have been greatly edified to understand the vast scope and depth of God's Grace.

First, he created a universe that pictures Himself for us to live in.

He then made us in His image and breathed into us 'life'.

....all Grace

When Adam fell, He could have spoke it all, including man out of existence and started over---because be sure, He would have His family.

However, the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. He provided Grace before He made it and us.

He allows sinful fallen mankind (those outside Christ) to live, to have babies, to love, to enjoy family and friends and to enjoy this magnificent earth.

Those 'In Christ of the Father", he has translated from the domain of darkness into His Kingdom.

Col. 1:13 (NAS20S) For He rescued us from the   domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of   His beloved Son,

Always Grace = unmerited favor.

Abraham represents favor before God by Grace through Faith. The Faith itself a Gift. A merciful Gracious Gift.

The law and all of those sacrifices and offerings can never erase/bridge the gulf between fallen Adam and His Maker. All of those things both point to and represent Christ the Lamb of God. It only appeared to some that all those sacrifices took away sin. The scripture is clear--it is impossible. What was going on there is a lesson pointing to Christ and a vast expression of unmerited favor.

No amount of the 'so called' good of fallen man or his works can bridge the gap.

Why? It is basically a matter of death and life. Everything that fallen man does is 'death'. It is dead and is derived from death.

Every OT character in the record that we admire or not, was dealt with by God with Grace. To say different is to say that the efforts of man can accomplish what only One could and did. Christ. He removed the enmity. He took it away. He paid the price for all corruption, all sin, all disloyalty. He took on Himself the unmeasurable weight of all of it.

Grace = unmerited favor. Not semi-merited favor. Not only for the really bad folks, but for every single son of adam.

Grace.

Grace before day one. Grace on day one and every single day since. Always Grace. Always Christ.....our Creator, our Savior, our Lord and for this 'In Christ'--our Brother.

Grace is a subject worth talking about.

God was gonna have His Family and He extended Grace to all of mankind, while certain families of man would stay alive until the Lamb was born into the world He Created; where He suffered astronomically greater than any of us can fathom.

Grace.

Grace is also a subject worth thinking about....a lot.

Well said, and I would like to delve into the meaning of Grace a bit deeper and who it applies to if you’re willing?

The Lord does not need anything we all know; He wants and desires. For His glory, the Lord chose two distinct families to love, a spiritual family and flesh and human blood family.  

God created Adam and, by extension, us with the breath of life and in His image. This is not said of the heavenly host, and we humans propagate, and angels do not.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

We know why and for who Christ died. Just as humanity from one man has fallen, so have X number of the heavenly host, evidently from pride. Why is Grace not extended for the sins of the fallen heavenly host, the Lord’s spiritual family? Would it be that all have not sinned or something entirely different?

If the Lord created angles to be immortal and humans to have immortal souls, if He changed or altered that, that would not be immortality as He made. Therefore, annihilation or extinction would not fit, only judgment, confinement, and punishment.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

[Alive]

Ok…I will take a whack at some of this.

I do not know that the angels were/are a family. Workers and co-workers, yes.

So that shortens my response to what connects to that.

I do not know that angels are immortal. Long lived, yes.

I do not believe, and in fact am convinced man does not or more properly is not an immortal soul.

Eternal Life is ‘in Christ’.

I have expressed my thoughts and provided every relevant scripture, regarding the foolishness of a man outside of Christ, existing forever.

My paradigms do not seem to be yours.

:-)

[enoob57]

On 3/20/2022 at 6:03 PM, Alive said:

It is impossible for the blood of bulls……..

It is sin that seperates…..

I am noteven a little convinced animal sacrifices will ever be reinstituted. That makes no sense given the light given in the NT. The True has come, the types are obsolete.

Heb 10 and 11.

The main indicator of some sort of system of sacrifice is
 

A Different Sacrificial System: 

The millennial system of sacrifices described by Ezekiel differs profoundly from the Aaronic system. It is not simply a reinstitution of Mosaic Judaism. Dwight Pentecost points out that there will be no ark of the covenant, tables of the law, cherubim, mercy seat, veil, golden lampstand, or table of showbread (Pentecost, pp.520-24)(2) . Instead of a high priest, a prince who has some royal or priestly powers will be on duty, but he will actually be neither king nor high priest. The levite's will have fewer Temple privileges, except for the sons of Zadok, who will serve as priests. The feast of Pentecost is omitted, as well as the Great Day of Atonement and the daily evening sacrifice.(1)

 

[enoob57]

51 minutes ago, Alive said:

I do not believe, and in fact am convinced man does not or more properly is not an immortal soul.

Eternal Life is ‘in Christ’.

So you believe no hell?

[Sower]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

God was gonna have His Family and He extended Grace to all of mankind, while certain families of man would stay alive until the Lamb was born into the world He Created; where He suffered astronomically greater than any of us can fathom

You said;
"God was gonna have His Family and He extended Grace to all of mankind"

Curious. Do you believe this statement above as stated, Alive?..
( not trying to derail)...
 

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, Sower said:

You said;
"God was gonna have His Family and He extended Grace to all of mankind"

Curious. Do you believe this statement above as stated, Alive?..
( not trying to derail)...
 

Yes, I do. But please consider the context of all I wrote.

:-)

[Your closest friendnt]

On 3/21/2022 at 11:47 PM, Sower said:

I quoted Alive who  said   "It is IMPOSSIBLE for the blood of bulls and goats to take away, to wipe out a single sin...or if you will...law.

What say you?

My simple understanding of the forgiveness of sin 'covering'  (then) was the OT people's blood offering looked forward to the cross, 
Christ the Savior's perfect blood sacrifice, and we today look back to the cross.
I had understood the animal sacrifice was 'substitutionary'
I am not OT well learned, 'obviously', and defer to your learning/correction.

I have to say that reading your post and your scripture reference I am getting two defend messages.

It's like you defer with your earlier message and later you defer with your later message.

I read your scriptures reference in Leviticus hoping to find out THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS cover the sins, and I was disappointed to find out that the scriptures reference does not say that the sins were cover, that the blood was use for a covering.

For that reason I would rather go with what the scriptures in Leviticus says.

I check at least six different versions. 

None of them said Covering and I find it difficult to accept that the Hebrews Rabbi will ever say that there sins were cover, or it was used for covering. 

 

[Alive]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

So you believe no hell?

Are you aware of where I stand on that issue?

[enoob57]

@AliveIf I did I have forgotten ... sorry!