The alive and remaining are changed - doesn't that mean all the rest died?

[Alive]

9 hours ago, angels4u said:

Which part in the article did you disagree with?

 

I just read through it again, there are far too many falsehoods to cover.

In the first two paragraphs, the tone is set. Set to lead the reader to think partial prets do not believe and look for the return of Christ and thereby diminishing the hope of the Church.

The rest follows this premise consistentl.

It is not so.

Study is required to have any kind of handle on this.

[George]

1st century Epistle of Barnabas...many of the church fathers quoted this book, not to be confused with the Gospel of Barnabas...

Barnabas 15:1
Moreover concerning the Sabbath likewise it is written in the Ten
Words, in which He spake to Moses face to face on Mount Sinai; And
ye shall hallow the Sabbath of the Lord with pure hands and with a
pure heart.

Barnabas 15:2
And in another place He saith; If my sons observe the Sabbath then
I will bestow My mercy upon them.

Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son
shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall
judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the
stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

Barnabas 15:6
Yea and furthermore He saith; Thou shalt hallow it with pure hands
and with a pure heart. If therefore a man is able now to hallow
the day which God hallowed, though he be pure in heart, we have gone
utterly astray.

Barnabas 15:7
But if after all then and not till then shall we truly rest and
hallow it, when we shall ourselves be able to do so after being
justified and receiving the promise, when iniquity is no more and all
things have been made new by the Lord, we shall be able to hallow it
then, because we ourselves shall have been hallowed first.

Barnabas 15:8
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot
away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present
Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens.

Be blessed

George

[Alive]

What does the SOF say about the canon?

It seems to me, that an appeal should be made using the Bible.

We can have a reasonable discussion using scriptural evidence…can we not?

[George]

@Alive  I would simply be quoting what Barnabas quoted ... one year is as a 1000 years and a 1000 years is as a day!

When people read the "Day of the Lord" they never look at the multifaceted ways it implies.  A 24 hour day ... a 1000 year day.  If you look at the "Day of the Lord" in this context, it will clear up many of the misconceptions.

For those who believe we're in the Kingdom now ... the reason we have hardly any theological writings during the dark ages was because any critique of the Scriptures wasn't available.  All sermons were in Latin, given by the clergy of the Catholic church.  If you studied the Bible outside of their control ... you had the persecutions of the "church" against the true Church of Christ.  The inquisitions should be an eye opener ... Act_14:22  ... and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

They were not in the Kingdom ... they were ENTERING the promises of the Kingdom to come!

Isaiah and Daniel give us an understanding of the Messianic Kingdom promised. 

Be blessed!

[George]

4 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Do you believe in the "Millennial Reign" of Jesus as a future event?

Yes, I believe in the entirety of Scripture.  For the Jewish people have not yet returned ... but we are seeing the prophecies in motion.  Remember that the promises to David ... are for a future Kingdom!  It will be kept.  The 1000 year reign is in essence where many of the NT Scriptures will be fulfilled that the church hasn't yet grasped as a Kingdom prophecy.  

[Marathoner]

The straw man of preterism used extensively by Dispensationalists has been dismantled over and again on this forum by the scriptures themselves which as our brother @Alive exhorts us, ought to be the standard of measure in these discussions. 

It's come up again in this topic which is most unfortunate. 

Partial-preterism adequately describes the prophetic position of everyone posting in this topic! @Josheb shared Peter's sermon from Acts 2 which not only refutes the straw man construct of the Hebraic mindset but reveals that the apostle of Jesus Christ, inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, revealed a preterist understanding of Old Testament prophecy fulfilled by the ascension of the Son of Man to sit with our Father upon His throne. 

I will not take offense when a Dispensationalist accuses me of not looking forward to the return of Jesus Christ, because this accusation is based upon falsehood. It's simply not true at all for the Lord hasn't returned yet. It is not the last day. This is what many of us are referring to when we say it would be good for Dispensationalists to cease misrepresenting theological views different from their own. It would be even better for Dispensational Premillennialists to refrain from putting words in the mouths of brethren. 

Is this too much to ask?  

Edited March 28, 2022 by Marathoner

[angels4u]

1 minute ago, George said:

@Alive  I would simply be quoting what Barnabas quoted ... one year is as a 1000 years and a 1000 years is as a day!

When people read the "Day of the Lord" they never look at the multifaceted ways it implies.  A 24 hour day ... a 1000 year day.  If you look at the "Day of the Lord" in this context, it will clear up many of the misconceptions.

For those who believe we're in the Kingdom now ... the reason we have hardly any theological writings during the dark ages was because any critique of the Scriptures wasn't available.  All sermons were in Latin, given by the clergy of the Catholic church.  If you studied the Bible outside of their control ... you had the persecutions of the "church" against the true Church of Christ.  The inquisitions should be an eye opener ... Act_14:22  ... and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

They were not in the Kingdom ... they were ENTERING the promises of the Kingdom to come!

Isaiah and Daniel give us an understanding of the Messianic Kingdom promised. 

Be blessed!

George, tell me if I'm wrong, but if the Jewish people had accepted the Messiah 2000 years ago, we would have been living in the Messianic age . It was postponed because of their unbelieve,next time they will accept Him  and we will be moving to the Messianic era ..

[angels4u]

3 minutes ago, George said:

Yes, I believe in the entirety of Scripture.  For the Jewish people have not yet returned ... but we are seeing the prophecies in motion.  Remember that the promises to David ... are for a future Kingdom!  It will be kept.  The 1000 year reign is in essence where many of the NT Scriptures will be fulfilled that the church hasn't yet grasped as a Kingdom prophecy.  

LOL, that just what I asked you before reading this..

[George]

6 minutes ago, Josheb said:

And to what eschatological position to you subscribe? 

Honestly, I am not a traditional scholar and many of the terminologies that developed through theological seminaries are simply man's ways of trying to label a thought process.

I believe a modern day label would be a premillenialist.

When studying the future, one must study the past ... events take place to give us an understanding of the future as well.  

One of the clearest examples is when Jesus said of the last days ... Mat 24:15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 

So Jesus said, study the prophecies of Daniel ... learn what that means, and it'll open up how it relates to the future.  Study Chanukah ... and it'll unlock this passage for you! 

Be blessed.

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, George said:

@Alive  I would simply be quoting what Barnabas quoted ... one year is as a 1000 years and a 1000 years is as a day!

When people read the "Day of the Lord" they never look at the multifaceted ways it implies.  A 24 hour day ... a 1000 year day.  If you look at the "Day of the Lord" in this context, it will clear up many of the misconceptions.

For those who believe we're in the Kingdom now ... the reason we have hardly any theological writings during the dark ages was because any critique of the Scriptures wasn't available.  All sermons were in Latin, given by the clergy of the Catholic church.  If you studied the Bible outside of their control ... you had the persecutions of the "church" against the true Church of Christ.  The inquisitions should be an eye opener ... Act_14:22  ... and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

They were not in the Kingdom ... they were ENTERING the promises of the Kingdom to come!

Isaiah and Daniel give us an understanding of the Messianic Kingdom promised. 

Be blessed!

Thanks for the reply, brother. Been a busy day and now its time for my wife.

:-)

When I have some time and energy, I will respond some to this position on the Kingdom. Again, I refer you to Colossians.

The Kingdom always has been, is now and increasing each day in the lives of saints and is to come. This is what the fulness of scripture teaches.