The alive and remaining are changed - doesn't that mean all the rest died?

[DeighAnn]

On 3/23/2022 at 12:51 PM, Josheb said:

According to John's, Zechariah 12 was fulfilled at Calvary. According to Joh's Revelation, these same people would see him coming with the clouds.

When you read this you see this day as the day of Calvary? 

It doesn't strike you more as the day of Lord?  

Are you reading this precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little?
 

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

Zechariah 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zechariah 12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

Zechariah 12:5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

Zechariah 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Zechariah 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

Zechariah 12:12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

Zechariah 12:13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

Zechariah 12:14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

 

On 3/25/2022 at 7:11 AM, Josheb said:

On 3/24/2022 at 3:34 PM, DeighAnn said:

Doesn't the parable of the fig tree 'cement' the timing?

No! It is not a parable. It is an analogy. 

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; 

 

 

On 3/25/2022 at 6:25 AM, Josheb said:

On 3/24/2022 at 3:34 PM, DeighAnn said:

This is the BEGINNING of the Lords Day 

That's not what the scriptures cited say. In point of fact there is no mention of "the Lord's Day" found in Revelation 16:14" and there is no mention of Jesus coming to earth on that day.

That's not what...is what you wrote in response to my This is the BEGINNING 

Please tell me WHERE I mentioned REVELATION 16:14, here is a copy of what I wrote
This is the BEGINNING of the Lords Day 
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
In relation to Philippians IDK, but to 
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
 

On 3/25/2022 at 7:11 AM, Josheb said:

Covenant Israel of the Bible is not "up and running." The Bible speaks of Israel's restoration. The word "restore" means to bring back to an original or earlier state, to reinstate, to return to a prior condition, to repair or renovate so as to restore it to its original condition. 

Where do you see the REQUIREMENTS YOU SPEAK OF FOR ISRAEL TO BE CONSIDERED A NATION AGAIN?

Leviticus 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

Leviticus 26:15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:

Leviticus 26:16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

Leviticus 26:17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

Leviticus 26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

Leviticus 26:19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:

Leviticus 26:20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

Leviticus 26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

Leviticus 26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

Leviticus 26:23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;

Leviticus 26:24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

Leviticus 26:25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

Leviticus 26:26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.

Leviticus 26:27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;

Leviticus 26:28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

Leviticus 26:29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Leviticus 26:31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

Leviticus 26:32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.

Leviticus 26:33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

Leviticus 26:34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.

Leviticus 26:35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

Leviticus 26:36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.

Leviticus 26:37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.

Leviticus 26:38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.

Leviticus 26:39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.

Leviticus 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

Leviticus 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

Leviticus 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Leviticus 26:43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.

Leviticus 26:44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.

Leviticus 26:45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

[DeighAnn]

On 3/25/2022 at 6:25 AM, Josheb said:

I don't read anything in the verse, Revelation 1:7 verse, or its surrounding text, that says those who pierced Jesus are dead and I do not read anything mentioning the Lord's Day. In point of fact the only even remotely close references to the Lord's Day I can find in the entire book of Revelation are "the day of their wrath," and "the great day of God almighty." The latter is a possible link to the Thessalonians' letters because of the phrase "like a thief in the night" but neither text says Jesus steps foot on earth. 

 

So, I have a bunch more questions for you, if you are willing. 

Can we start with the one already asked. 

 

What makes you think those who pierced Jesus in Revelation 1:7 were dead when Revelation 1:7 was written? 

Revelation 1:7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


Matthew 24:3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


 

Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


 

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

why clouds?
 

Psalm 68:32 Sing unto God, ye kingdoms of the earth; O sing praises unto the Lord; Selah:

Psalm 68:33 To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, and that a mighty voice.

Psalm 68:34 Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency is over Israel, and his strength is in the clouds.

Psalm 68:35 O God, thou art terrible out of thy holy places: the God of Israel is he that giveth strength and power unto his people. Blessed be God.

 

Psalm 104:1 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.

Psalm 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

Psalm 104:3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

Psalm 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.


WHY didn't it matter to me if they were dead or alive when the letter was written? 

1.  Because of the resurrection of the just and the unjust

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


2. Because of the resurrection that THEN, 

 WAS FOLLOWED BY THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD WHEN HE RETURNS, MAKING THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM see HIM RETURNING IN THE CLOUDS

 John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself;

John 5:27 And hath given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of man.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

[DeighAnn]

On 3/25/2022 at 7:11 AM, Josheb said:

There is no one-world government in the Bible beside that of Christ's. That position comes solely from an inferential reading of select verses. It is not something the Bible anywhere actually states. 

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
 

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

 

 

On 3/25/2022 at 7:11 AM, Josheb said:

. The rate of increase of people coming to Christianity stopped increasing with the rise of modern-futurism. There are many reasons for this but one of them is the witness false-prognosticators provide. No one should flow false teachers or believe the things they teach. So, even though they send out missionaries worldwide they do not increase the rate of conversion and they convert to their views, thereby producing more people who make more false prognostications. People are constantly reminded of imminently occurring apocalypse and that has an effect on spirit, soul, and body.

Things have gotten worse in the body of Christ and the constant dread and vigilance of the world is evidence of that.

 

They can get a lot worse, and they will if Christians don't start living as if the gospel is actually true.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS EVERYONE START BELIEVING WHAT IS WRITTEN IS GOING TO HAPPEN.  HERE YOUR OWN WORDS DESCRIBING WHAT GOD TELLS US EXACTLY WILL HAPPEN IN THE END TIMES.  SURELY YOU DON'T THINK THIS HAPPENED IN 70 AD DO YOU?  GOD IN FULL CONTROL.  WRITING WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE BEFORE IT DOES SO WE WILL KNOW HE IS THE ONE TRUE GOD CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AND WHAT HE SAYS GOES AND HE SAYS PUT ON THE GOSPEL ARMOR AND GET READY I AM SENDING THE ADVERSARY TO DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD.  DON'T BE DECEIVED BY ANY MAN WHO TELLS YOU ANY THING DIFFERENT.  HE WROTE IT AND IT IS COMING TO PASS.  LITERALLY.  


Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

[DeighAnn]

On 3/25/2022 at 7:11 AM, Josheb said:

That was a marvelous job of shifting the onus away from the prior posts' assertions in this thread and the question(s) I asked. None of it was necessary, though. If there was no interest in answering my questions, then all that was necessary was silence. There's not even a need to respond. If not interested in answering the question(s) then a plain simple, "I don't want to discuss the matter" suffices. 

 

Otherwise, the questions asked were, 

What is it, beginning with that Revelation 1 passage itself, and then moving outward through the whole of the book itself you see necessarily connecting verse 1:7 to Philippians 2:10 or 1 Thessalonains 4:16 and precluding it from Revelation 20:13?

 

 

I DID THE FIRST PART WITH THE COMING IN THE CLOUDS. 

Your question of why what happens when Jesus returns,  isn't put together with what takes place at the end of the Lords Day,  makes no sense to me,  but I would say it was because they are different events.  To figure the timing out, just go precept by precept and the timing will show  on it's own.  



WHY DO YOU BELIEVE I BELIEVE THIS?  WHERE DOES IT COME FROM?
DO YOU THINK I PUT THESE TOGETHER SOMEWHERE?  IF SO PLEASE TELL ME THE POST BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER IT.  
What is in Isaiah 26:14 leads you to believe is relevant to the Jesus-piercers of Isaiah 53:5, Matthew 27:25, and Revelation 1:7? 

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.



 

[DeighAnn]

On 3/25/2022 at 11:34 AM, Josheb said:

Yes, I do think they were alive at the time the revelation of Revelation was given. I also think there are ways of knowing one way or another, the fact the statement is in the revelation is itself an indication of knowing, and those who ignore that little tidbit of information should not do so. 

While it is possible to construe that mention as a reference to the far-distant-in-the-unknown-future, those holding that point of view must address the other temporal markers, or "time stamps" contained in that passage, and that should be done before splicing other passages from other books of the Bible into that passage. And the text itself and the Bible itself should be used before splicing in sources from outside of scripture. 

This is the practice of the Bible writers themselves, not something someone later imposed on the reading of scripture. 

I believe they see Him when He returns when THE DEAD RISE FIRST as they are a part of the dead in the graves, IMO.  This is why it doesn't matter to me if they were alive in 95 AD or not.

[DeighAnn]

On 3/25/2022 at 11:45 AM, Josheb said:

Yes, the Revelation was given to John to show Christ's servants. But, that verse goes on to state the revelation of Revelation was given to his servants things that would quickly happen because the time was at hand. The text does not state the revelation was provided to John so that he might show people who hadn't even yet been conceived things that would one day in the far distant future would eventually be at hand. 

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John:

I take it you don't like the meaning of once it begins it doesn't take long till it's over or  speed
From the same as tachus; a brief space (of time), i.e. (with en prefixed) in haste -- + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.

So THE contention is it 'shortly come to pass' means it all took place after 95AD so it took place in 100 AD?

SO what happened?  What was the deadly wound to the one head?  Which king was it?  Who were the other 9 kings?  Who was the false prophet?  Where exactly did Satan stand and claim to be god?   Who were the two witnesses?  Did they get here before Satan and the angels did?  Did the women keep their heads covered?  I can't believe not one of them got pregnant.  Anyone know if any giants were born?  If there were,  what happened to them?  What was it like for every eye to see Him?  Did every knee bow?  Is that how you know those who pierced Him saw Him coming in glory?  What did it look like when the dead resurrected?  How is it we aren't all like the angels and in immortal incorruptible bodies?   Did all the kingdoms of the world instantly become His?  How did being ruled by the rod of iron effect the world?  Are the rulers of the world today the priests that rule with Him?  ARE WE LIVING UPON THE NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH?  What was it like when Satan was set free when the 1000 years were completed?  HOW IS IT I HAVE NEVER HEARD A SINGLE WORD ABOUT ANY OF THIS.  DID IT HAPPEN SO QUICKLY NO ON NOTICED ANY OF IT?   

So John wrote Rev in 95AD and when do you say this all took place?  

Surely THE BELIEVER of it being in the past will give us all the details.  


 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Josheb said:

Right! The deceit of the nations is on earth. No mention of the 100-year reign on earth. Give the chapter another read. What I said will prove correct. 

RIGHT!!!  And we know how important the VAGUE words are!!!


Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 of time, short, brief: neuter — nominative, ἔτι (or ἔτι omitted) μικρόν (namely, ἔσται) καί (yet) a little while and etc. i. e. shortly (this shall come to pass), John 14:19; John 16:16f, 19 ((cf. Exodus 17:4)); ἔτι μικρόν ὅσον ὅσον (see ὅσος, a.); without καί, Hebrews 10:37 (Isaiah 26:20); τό μικρόν (Tr WH omits τό), John 16:18; — μικρόν accusative (of duration), John 13:33 (Job 36:2); μικρόν χρόνον, John 7:33; John 12:35; Revelation 6:11; Revelation 20:3; μετά μικρόν, after a little while, Matthew 26:73; Mark 14:70, (πρό μικροῦ, Wis. 15:8).

So when was he released and HOW SHORT WAS THAT BRIEF SEASON?  Or  ARE we now to SWITCH GEARS to say 'brief' isn't like quickly but now is like the 1000 years that aren't?  How about SEASON?  Has season turned into season on season on season?  

[Diaste]

The Return of Jesus

"4On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south"

The Reign of Jesus

16Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.d 17And should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, then the rain will not fall on them. 18And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter in, then the rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt and of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

Both are on the earth and neither have happened.

These facts are part of the whole set of facts to regard in this. 

[angels4u]

9 hours ago, Josheb said:

None of that contradicts John 12:31. 

His title is an empty one. Just think about your own post: what kind of prince is a deluded one? Keep in mind he is not only a created creature; he is one who is dead in sin, a deluded prince of the air who has been held in eternal bonds of darkness awaiting judgment and there has never been a day in creation when his destiny was not already decided. 
 

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Ephesians 6:12

There are spiritual forces at work in the world and we wrestle against the spiritual forces of evil every day..

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

1 Peter 5:8

[angels4u]

9 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Because you have already accepted a system of covenant theology and preterism ... it blinds you to the evidence I put forth of when that verse takes hold... 

What Enoob says is true ,why not start studying it again from the beginning and ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to understand?