First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?

[Hobie_]

11 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I see this a little differently, Hobie.

Rev. 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

We can learn more detail about the 1000-year reign of God's elect in Ezekiel's account, chapter 44 (concerning the Priests during the Millennium):

Ezekiel 44:23  And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

The second death is the final death for all ages for the wicked at the lake of fire, and nothing can changed that as Christ brings His reward at the Second Coming, that is how He knows who is in the first resurrection of life, versus the resurrection of damnation...

Revelation 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

Revelation 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Edited April 2, 2022 by Hobie_

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12 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

It is just something I studied and considered. I believe the chronology and dates of the kings of Israel and Judah to be accurate. If so, that poses a logical question? All my Hebrew lexicons agree that heaven in 2 Kings 2:1 is in the sky where the clouds are and birds fly. I figured you knew where I was going. 

Don't trust me. I can be thick as a brick sometimes. Yes, the solution, or should I say, our understanding being correct or not, is whether or not the chronology of the "record" is set. The chronology of the kings is correct whatever. Sometimes it's just a word that makes a difference.

If Hebrews 9:27 says something, and there seems to be a discrepancy, I favor the plain language UNTIL an exception is found. Acts 2:38 is just such an example. It is a plain statement BUT had an exception. Fortunately, the exception was explained because if the exception becomes the rule, we are in trouble.

I agree with your Hebrew lexicon. Genesis 1 has heaven between the waters below and the waters above. By today's meteorological discoveries the stratosphere has no clouds, that is, no water. Heaven must then be in the troposphere which is quite low at the poles. But I could be wrong. I wasn't there to study the atmosphere at Adam's time. But modern met will decide the coming of our Lord, and our rapture "to the clouds" - quite near to the earth.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

In respect to the souls under the altar in Rev 6 they don't have bodies and they aren't yet in the group in Rev 7 who we see do have bodies. So if we have captured souls under the altar without bodies then bodies must be found for them at some point.

How do they get to be bodyless?  Does God give every seed a body or not?  If He says He does, in no uncertain terms, then where does He negate that in no uncertain terms?

Revelation 6:9 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Here is the problem I have with that.  Either GOD is or isn't the author of confusion.  CONFUSION would be having body less entities who 'cried with a loud voice' and be given a 'white robes' which requires a body.  

Would you agree?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

What would cause even more confusion FOR ME, is to have the same words mean 'with a body' one time and 'without a body' another.  Especially if God TELLS US 'to every seed a body'.  How is it possible for seeds to go body less if God tells us they all have bodies?

Luke 12:19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

Genesis 14:21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.

Genesis 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.


 

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

"So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For My flesh is real food, and My blood is real drink."

Do you realize that 'the last day' never again appears after Christ is crucified?

And the 'last day' Jesus lived and died took place, in which the graves were opened souls were raised,?

And that all individuals themselves have a 'last day' in the flesh?  


Do you believe that the next time Peter sees Jesus is when we all do all at once?  Is that what you read in this conversation?  Does it sound like a group last day or a personal last day?  

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for Thy sake.

John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.


John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in Me, and I in you.


I think people are used to specific compartments for what they believe and they never make those compartments fit with each other to tell the whole story because when we do,  we find one belief is built from another, so who can be wrong about even one?   

'Every seed a body'...'Sown and raised bodies'...and 'neither doth corruption inherit incorruption'.  

We can't be alive in Christ and be dead in Christ.  An inconvenient fact. 

Either 'the unsaved/dead' rise at the beginning of the Lords Day or there is no one to rule and reign over.   

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12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

But resurrection of a SAVED soul is body and soul

It is sown one body it is raised another  That is what is written anyhow. Don't know how we are going to change it. I don't think we should allow a delay, I don't think we should rise without one,  since it is written we do.  Do you?

Are you forgetting the 1st prophecy?   If I didn't know better I would think you thought Judah was responsible and not,  SATAN


Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


 

Matthew 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Matthew 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Matthew 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

 

Matthew 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Matthew 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

I don't know what all that stuff about the Church is but GOD is very specific when it comes to this stuff.  PLEASE don't forget the branches are grafted in.  Made one.  Yes, Israel KNOW AS ISRAEL is not spreading the good news but the branches broken off and blinded,  WILL be grafted back in and their blindness removed. ONLY JUDAH was blinded because the 10 NORTHEN tribes had been scattered amongst the heathen hundreds of years before.  We know they didn't come back to the land because of the PUNISHMENT of Lev 26.  WHO DID CHRIST SAY HE WAS COMING FOR?  The lost sheep of the house of Israel who had now become no different than the  GENTILES they were living amongst.   So the CHURCH is made up of the lost sheep of the House of Israel calling themselves Gentiles.  So watch how you think about it....we aren't supposed to boast.  


Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob





Zechariah 11:7 And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock.

Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

Zechariah 11:9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.

Zechariah 11:10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

Zechariah 11:11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

Zechariah 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

Zechariah 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Zechariah 11:14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Zechariah 11:15 And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.

Zechariah 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

Zechariah 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
 

Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

Ezekiel 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

Ezekiel 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

Ezekiel 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Ezekiel 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

Ezekiel 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

I am sorry, but I've missed a step. Are you saying that resurrection is for something else beside the body? If so, we need scriptures.

And the scriptures you posted are without comment on the resurrection. I apologize if I've missed the obvious.

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

So the CHURCH is made up of the lost sheep of the House of Israel calling themselves Gentiles.  So watch how you think about it....we aren't supposed to boast.

It is a serious thing to claim to know what a man thinks.

Take care and go well.

 

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13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:  

THAT WOULD be the armies that followed HIM on the Horses


AND I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,

AND which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;


that would be the SAVED returning from heaven WITH CHRIST
that would be those who went through the TRIBULATION
that would also include those who didn't take the mark of the beast, the alive and remaining

and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

Your verses and comments are read and noted. Thank you for your reply.

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

But it's all 'lived' in any case. This term has to refer to something as the sense is 'lived not again until'. That would be the word 'nekros' or 'nekron' which is a corpse or dead body, mortal, physically dead. So at least in Rev 20:5 Jesus is telling us dead bodies are going to be reanimated 1000 years later.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


Where does this group of 'the dead' come from?  What made their name 'appear' in the book of life?  When did they do 'works' 



We know they didn't come from the sea giving up their dead, we know they didn't come from death and hell delivering up their dead as those come next.  

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Don't trust me. I can be thick as a brick sometimes. Yes, the solution, or should I say, our understanding being correct or not, is whether or not the chronology of the "record" is set. The chronology of the kings is correct whatever. Sometimes it's just a word that makes a difference.

If Hebrews 9:27 says something, and there seems to be a discrepancy, I favor the plain language UNTIL an exception is found. Acts 2:38 is just such an example. It is a plain statement BUT had an exception. Fortunately, the exception was explained because if the exception becomes the rule, we are in trouble.

I agree with your Hebrew lexicon. Genesis 1 has heaven between the waters below and the waters above. By today's meteorological discoveries the stratosphere has no clouds, that is, no water. Heaven must then be in the troposphere which is quite low at the poles. But I could be wrong. I wasn't there to study the atmosphere at Adam's time. But modern met will decide the coming of our Lord, and our rapture "to the clouds" - quite near to the earth.

Exactly, I agree.

The accuracy of our Canon numbers, kings, events, and genealogies is there for a purpose. However, as you know, everything is not always in chronological order. I am sure you understand the perceived discrepancy between the Septuagint and the Masoretic Texts as recorded human longevity before the deluge.

But anyway, not that it was needed, the Dead Sea Scrolls verify the accuracy of our Bible. Thus, for the almost complete book of Isaiah discovered and many other fragments, we have a second verification of the chronological order of the kings of Israel and Judah and accurate secular historians such as Josephus.

Admittedly, some scholars have a problem with a few of the kings. I was highlighting that the traditional thought is Elijah was translated, ascended, and taken to the Third Heaven by the chariot and whirlwind.

As I previously implied, Elijah was not translated, only Enoch. Elijah was taken (transported) to somewhere else through the sky. Had the Lord ended Elijah’s physical life then and there, he would have gone to Paradise, Abraham’s bosom (Hades), where Samuel would eventually go.

If the chronology of the kings of Judah is correct, a very different conclusion can be reached. It is interesting at the very least, and I cannot draw any definitive conclusions other than contemplating them.

It may shed light on who may or may not be the Two Witnesses in Revelation. Considering many views Enoch & Elijah as the prime candidates supported by:

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Two types of death have to taken in consideration; physical death and spiritual death. I think you are confusing them with each other. 

What happened to the Apostles?  

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

NOT THIS -  THEY WERE DEAD ALREADY BUT THEIR GRAVES WERE GOING TO OPEN

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:


SINCE THEY WERE ALIVE THEY FALL UNDER THIS CATAGORY

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The Apostles,  THEY NEVER DIED.  Here is what happened to them, they experienced a first resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.

Their earth body was sown into the ground to decay and rot away.   Their SPIRITUAL BODY which now 'housed' their soul/spirit was raised up just like we see written right here
It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

Their sinful flesh earth body went into the ground USELESS.  Their spiritual body was raised up in glory.   Their body that used to get sick and get old and get diseases was put into the dust of the earth and they raised up in the spiritual body that is full of strength and power  

1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

They left the natural body and raised up in the spiritual body.  THERE are 2 bodies.  

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


HOW does that work? 

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

One dies and the other comes to life.  And we can rest assured that that WHEAT or some other grain statement HAS TO DO WITH OUR WORKS THAT DO FOLLOW US.  

 

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

So you're right, a special day isn't required, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. A last day is coming and there will be a resurrection that day per 1 Cor 15 and John 6. You can argue this great resurrection isn't on the last day, but then when is it and why fight scripture?

The alive and remaining are the 'resurrection' of the last day.  

I am not fighting I am getting rid of conflict what ever that takes.  How ever MY beliefs must BE reorganized.  EVERY SEED A BODY.  Is it possible knowing JUST that one verse for me to ever tell anyone 'yes, we go body less because that fits what I believe?' 

No, I personally will not do that,  no matter what.  It is written God gives every seed a body.  THAT is my truth.  EVERY THING FITS AROUND THAT.  I don't get to discard or make exceptions for.  PURIFIED 7 TIMES.  Those would be His words.  I am not going to stand in Judgment and say YES, I taught disembodied souls because I couldn't figure out what you meant.  I would rather teach nothing at all.  I would rather say I  have no idea.  


alive in the dead.   ONLY IN THE BIBLE

 

 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

This is a terrible way to view the scriptures.

Well, If someone would tell me who we will be ruling over for the 1000 years I would be willing to look into that but all I am told are things like

the nations will escape death when Christ returns YET i READ
 

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

From KING on down to small and any remnant slain with....

 D can read and this kind of math even I can do and the answer is ZERO left alive in flesh bodies when Christ returns.  It isn't in some hidden language I need to figure out.  It is black and white and VIVID and distinct.  

SO if everyone on the earth dies except for the alive and remaining (if I had any questions before I have none now) who are changed

And none of the DEAD rise be they just or unjust are we all just reigning over each other?  

SO when I see 'the dead' standing in judgment and some of them have their names written in the book of life WHO DIDN'T USED TO or else they wouldn't be dead I think HOW did that happen?  from the grave to name in the book of life for ?????  wouldn't it just be so much easier for THE DEAD TO RISE and be reigned over for the next 1000 years to see IF possibly some of them could get their names into the book of life and all the problems and conflicts that PERMINATE beliefs to day could be eliminated and we COULD COME CLOSER IN UNITY.  What I can't do is agree with things that clearly aren't truth,  like disembodied souls in heaven.


 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

I am sorry, but I've missed a step. Are you saying that resurrection is for something else beside the body? If so, we need scriptures.

What is a body without a spirit and soul?  dust.  So yes, resurrection is for the whole person.  

I don't know if there is scripture but if 'a body' is raised, that has no body and soul, and I am not being sarcastic,  it is just dirt.  I can't even think of what kind of scripture I would put forth for that. 

 

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

It is a serious thing to claim to know what a man thinks.

Take care and go well.

It WASN'T personal, it was about the CHURCH boasting against those they are grafted in among who are ALL made partakers of the same root.   If it reads that way I apologize.  

To the Jew first...doesn't that SET the direction of everything?  At what point do the branches grafted in amongst the other branches 'separate'?  How does it go from Jew first to Gentile first?  They were once separated and now Salvation is opened up to them ALSO.  YES, they do become the 'spreaders of the good news', but in the last days,  all the churches are told the same thing, the ASSEMBLY is taught and doing all these different things but as far as JUDGMENT is concerned 

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
 

Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels  6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.  20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.