The Revelation of Jesus Christ

[Your closest friendnt]

On 4/7/2022 at 10:28 AM, Alive said:

Let's consider a wee experiment. Make believe for a while that you are a new convert to Christ and you have no knowledge of various positions on eschatology. You are literate and pay attention to what you read--especially the bible, because you have come to understand it is God's word for us. You are hungry to learn and to understand. After a while you got around to reading Revelation.

What would you naturally conclude when you took notice of these verses in your reading. These verses included among all of the symbolism that makes your head spin? Remember, you have not been indoctrinated. Perhaps you are Chinese or a Muslim or a farmers child from Nebraska.

You have not yet asked your new pastor to explain.

You are now reading......

:-)

Rev. 1:1 (ESVS)  The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev. 1:3 (ESVS) Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.

In verse 1:3 it says about a blessing on the one who reads allowed the words of this prophecy, and bless are those who hear, so the blessing for reading aloud the words of this prophecy is for others to hear, not to conceal and destroy the prophecy, perhaps thinking it is not from God or another way it is that it is not for us.

It said blessed are those who hear and who keep what it is written in it. 

So this is for everyone, it was not only for them but for everyone there after. 

And it says for the time is near.

If I am babysitting and I have to stop reading any further while I am attending the baby I will be thinking.

I heard about a blessing upon those who hear and who keep what it is written but we are not told yet what it is written we cannot keep what it is written yet because we have not heard what it written.

So it appeals to the listener that he has to expect to hear the things that he has to keep.

So I have to go back expecting to read about the things I will be asked to keep. 

So this applies to everyone who reads this, or hears these things. 

So far there are no exceptions.

And it prompts the listener not to keep the what is about to be revealed without delay, because the time is near. 

 

On 4/7/2022 at 10:28 AM, Alive said:

Rev. 2:16 (ESVS) Therefore repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev. 3:11 (ESVS) I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.

Rev. 11:14 (ESVS)    The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe is soon to come.

Rev. 22:6 (ESVS)   And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.”

Rev. 22:7 (ESVS)   “And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Rev. 22:10 (ESVS)   And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.

Rev. 22:12 (ESVS)   “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

Rev. 22:20 (ESVS)   He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

 

Ch.1 v.4,5,6

4. To the seven churches(I) in the province of Asia:

Grace and peace to you(J) from him who is, and who was, and who is to come,(K) and from the seven spirits[a](L) before his throne, 

5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,(M) the firstborn from the dead,(N) and the ruler of the kings of the earth.(O)

To him who loves us(P) and has freed us from our sins by his blood,(Q) 

6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests(R) to serve his God and Father(S)—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

***v.4 begins, to the seven churches in the province of Asia. 

Finaly we get something to help us understand as to why God did not revealed the Revelation to Jesus Christ from the very beginning or some time earlier.

He had to wait to have those seven churches in the province of Asia, because the message begins to the seven churches. When those churches were organized and were factioning that was the time for the words spoken in v.4,5,6.

[Your closest friendnt]

 

Rev 1:4,5,6 NIV. 

4. To the seven churches(I) in the province of Asia:

Grace and peace to you(J) from him who is, and who was, and who is to come,(K) and from the seven spirits[a](L) before his throne, 

5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,(M) the firstborn from the dead,(N) and the ruler of the kings of the earth.(O)

To him who loves us(P) and has freed us from our sins by his blood,(Q) 

6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests(R) to serve his God and Father(S)—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

****THESE are the words to speak aloud and proclaim them to others, and we are asked to keep. 

@Alive, why you left those words in v.4,5,6, out, these are the words we are asked to keep and proclaim them to others.

Rev. 1:3 (ESVS) Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. 

 

[DeighAnn]

On 4/7/2022 at 7:28 AM, Alive said:

Let's consider a wee experiment. Make believe for a while that you are a new convert to Christ and you have no knowledge of various positions on eschatology. You are literate and pay attention to what you read--especially the bible, because you have come to understand it is God's word for us. You are hungry to learn and to understand. After a while you got around to reading Revelation.

What would you naturally conclude when you took notice of these verses in your reading. These verses included among all of the symbolism that makes your head spin? Remember, you have not been indoctrinated. Perhaps you are Chinese or a Muslim or a farmers child from Nebraska.

You have not yet asked your new pastor to explain.

You are now reading......

:-)

Rev. 1:1 (ESVS)  The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev. 1:3 (ESVS) Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.

Rev. 2:16 (ESVS) Therefore repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev. 3:11 (ESVS) I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.

Rev. 11:14 (ESVS)    The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe is soon to come.

Rev. 22:6 (ESVS)   And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.”

Rev. 22:7 (ESVS)   “And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Rev. 22:10 (ESVS)   And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.

Rev. 22:12 (ESVS)   “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

Rev. 22:20 (ESVS)   He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

 

That John expected it to happen in his lifetime, maybe begin the next day. 

If I was reading REV the 2nd  and 3rd century, I myself would be looking to see  the beginning of sorrows at least 

By the 4th century, I would be thinking I didn't understand what 'soon' meant to GOD.  

By the 5th I would be looking to try and find something that would  explain why it didn't take place 'soon' as we knew soon to be.  

From what I understand,  from what some here at Worthy have said,  is prophecy wasn't even studied up until the last 100 plus years anyhow.   

As I think on it today, I 'think' IF 2000 YEARS constitutes SOON,  how many million years did it take to get to these last days that last 2000 years? 

The last days or end times have been around for WHAT SEEMS like a really long time to us.   So the question is,  IF 2000 years is SOON, how many 'years' are we talking about. In the span of say, a million years, would something within 2000 years be  considered  soon?  

AND WHAT ARE THESE THE 'LAST DAYS' OF EXACTLY?

[DeighAnn]

On 4/7/2022 at 7:28 AM, Alive said:

Let's consider a wee experiment. Make believe for a while that you are a new convert to Christ and you have no knowledge of various positions on eschatology. You are literate and pay attention to what you read--especially the bible, because you have come to understand it is God's word for us. You are hungry to learn and to understand. After a while you got around to reading Revelation.

What would you naturally conclude when you took notice of these verses in your reading. These verses included among all of the symbolism that makes your head spin? Remember, you have not been indoctrinated. Perhaps you are Chinese or a Muslim or a farmers child from Nebraska.

You have not yet asked your new pastor to explain.

You are now reading......

:-)

Rev. 1:1 (ESVS)  The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev. 1:3 (ESVS) Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.

Rev. 2:16 (ESVS) Therefore repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev. 3:11 (ESVS) I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.

Rev. 11:14 (ESVS)    The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe is soon to come.

Rev. 22:6 (ESVS)   And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.”

Rev. 22:7 (ESVS)   “And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Rev. 22:10 (ESVS)   And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.

Rev. 22:12 (ESVS)   “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

Rev. 22:20 (ESVS)   He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

 

Oh MY WORD.  I think I read a reply or two,  and decided this is one of those threads  where I should ANSWER first, then start at the beginning.  

I was much amazed and a bit saddened.  I'm pretty sure you shelved the experiment,  but am curious to know what it was about.  Very illuminating.  

[Revelation Man]

On 4/7/2022 at 9:28 AM, Alive said:

Let's consider a wee experiment. Make believe for a while that you are a new convert to Christ and you have no knowledge of various positions on eschatology. You are literate and pay attention to what you read--especially the bible, because you have come to understand it is God's word for us. You are hungry to learn and to understand. After a while you got around to reading Revelation.

What would you naturally conclude when you took notice of these verses in your reading. These verses included among all of the symbolism that makes your head spin? Remember, you have not been indoctrinated. Perhaps you are Chinese or a Muslim or a farmers child from Nebraska.

You have not yet asked your new pastor to explain.

You are now reading......

:-)

Rev. 1:1 (ESVS)  The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev. 1:3 (ESVS) Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.

OK, this is a dynamic, and great question, and this is how after 30 years (7 years ago) I started getting all my answers answered, I simply forgot ALL I KNEW (Because in Prayer when I asked God why the Church was so confused I got this "Ron, you guys already know it all" LOL) and started over, so this is a very, very important point you are making, most can't answer because they never tried to get this clarified, I did and got an answer. But let me carry out the hypothetical first.

I would have read all the rest of the bible by that time, and thus I would know I needed to check the translation/original meaning(s) of the word and do deep deep into its root words (which is what I did and STARTED DOING on all things contradictory). 

I would know by now that words have ways of morphing, or being mistranslated, like unto Falling Away, which really means Departure or like the 2300 days which is really 1150 days, because each day has a Morning and Evening Sacrifice/Oblation etc. etc. 

And thus I would do what I have only in the last 7 years learned tp do, STUDY HARD to show myself approved of God like Paul tells us to do, leaving no stone unturned. That will always lead us unto the TRUTHS of God !! So, instead of supposing or clinging to old understandings I went about solving a "seeming contradiction" and I of course found the answer because God never contradicts Himself, we just misunderstand His word in some compacity.

So off I went in my DEEP DIVE........I used my Greek online study guide where the Bible has a link to ever Greek word and its definition and root words. Words like gay morph, wd have to understand its INTENDED MEANING at the time. By the way, the word SOON, is a part of this morphing, it was SHORTLY in the KJV. Old English plays a part in this because Shortly doesn't mean soon as many suppose in the Old English per se. I will let my study be my proofs however. 

Revealtion 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Now I will paste my Greek word linked Original 1611 KJV bible

The Reuelation 602 of Iesus 2424 Christ, 5547 which 3739 God 2316 gaue 1325 z5656 vnto him, 846 to shewe 1166 z5658 vnto his y846 x848 seruants 1401 things which 3739 must 1163 z5748 shortly 1722 5034 come to passe; 1096 z5635 and 2532 he sent 649 z5660 and signified 4591 z5656 [it] by 1223 his y846 x848 Angel 32 vnto his y846 x848 seruant 1401 Iohn, 2491

Blessed 3107 is hee that readeth, 314 z5723 and 2532 they that heare 191 z5723 the x3588 words 3056 of this prophesie, 4394 and 2532 keepe 5083 z5723 those things which are written 1125 z5772 therein: 1722 846 for 1063 the x3588 time 2540 is at hand. 1451.

Lets delve into 1722 and 5034,since SHORTLY has two words behind it, just like DAY did in Daniel 8 where one word was Evening and the other meant Morning, so it was 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices being taken which equal 1150 days not 2300 days. 

Word Study "EN"

#1722 ἐν en {en}

 a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time
    or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or
    constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between
    G1519 and G1537); TDNT - 2:537,233; prep
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

 
A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), that is, a relation of rest (intermediate between G1519 and G1537); "in", at, (up-) on, by, etc.:—about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-) by (+ all means), for (. . . sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-) in (-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-) on, [open-] ly, X outwardly, one, X quickly, X shortly, [speedi-] ly, 
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)
#1722.

So this primary preposition is showing us how Jesus will return, but we must remember, only the Father knows when this will happen. Thus en is a being used as a primary preposition here.

WORD STUDY "TACHOS"

  #5034 τάχος tachos {takh'-os}

 from the same as G5036; TDNT - n/a; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

 1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

Notice they all mean the same thing except SHORTLY (which in the Old English mean the same thing also. It mean in a SHORT BURST OF TIME, just like a Brief Space of Time, or Quickly, or In Haste, or Speedily, because guess where we get our English word Tachometer from? That's right, we get it from the Greek word TACHOS. So, Zoom, zoom, zoom is what SHORTLY (TACHOS) really means.

So, when Jesus is sent, he will come SHORTLY (In a short speed burst) or SPEEDILY, or IN HASTE, or QUICKLY, or in a Brief space of time as in Zoom, zoom, zoom. It never meant he was coming back SHORTLY as in SOON. This is why we all get off tracked, we have to study the bible vey very hard because it was not written in English, BUT.......We have modern day computers which will do the work for us. We have to be very thorough in our approach. Which is why I loved the question, the CHALLENGE so to speak, you are 100 percent right, we have to answer these questions, so that way we can with confidence explain the bible unto the lost in vivid detail, we can't guess, or be at a loss of words, Amen. 

[Shilohsfoal]

On 4/7/2022 at 10:28 AM, Alive said:

Let's consider a wee experiment. Make believe for a while that you are a new convert to Christ and you have no knowledge of various positions on eschatology. You are literate and pay attention to what you read--especially the bible, because you have come to understand it is God's word for us. You are hungry to learn and to understand. After a while you got around to reading Revelation.

What would you naturally conclude when you took notice of these verses in your reading. These verses included among all of the symbolism that makes your head spin? Remember, you have not been indoctrinated. Perhaps you are Chinese or a Muslim or a farmers child from Nebraska.

You have not yet asked your new pastor to explain.

You are now reading......

:-)

Rev. 1:1 (ESVS)  The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev. 1:3 (ESVS) Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.

Rev. 2:16 (ESVS) Therefore repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev. 3:11 (ESVS) I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.

Rev. 11:14 (ESVS)    The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe is soon to come.

Rev. 22:6 (ESVS)   And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.”

Rev. 22:7 (ESVS)   “And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Rev. 22:10 (ESVS)   And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.

Rev. 22:12 (ESVS)   “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

Rev. 22:20 (ESVS)   He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

 

I asked myself who his intended audience is. I ended up coming to a conclusion on that also.