Question for prewrathers and/or posttribbers

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

WHY were "the graves opened?" It is because God RAISED UP their old flesh and blood body and then changed it into a flesh and bone body—a resurrection body that will never die.

AGAIN< you keep saying it and GODS WORD TELLS US THE OPPOSITE STORY.  SO WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE?  MAN OR GOD?  HERE IS WHAT IS WRITTEN

And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, 

Perhaps if you write that out 100 times so I won't have to it would help.  

WE DON'T GET TO TELL GOD WHAT WE WANT.  HE TELLS US WHAT IT IS.  

We either seek AFTER OUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS or WE SEEK AFTER HIS.  

THOU SOWEST NOT THAT BODY THAT SHALL BE.  


 

1 Peter 3:18
because also Christ once for sins suffered, righteous for unrighteous, so that YOU HE MIGHT BRING TO GOD, having been put to death indeed in flesh, having been made alive however in spirit

It is sown a natural body it is raised a spiritual BODY, 

NOT A SPIRIT THAT RETURNS FOR SOMETHING TO COME UP OUT FROM THE CORRUPTIONG, 

IF THAT WERE TRUE you would have something more that DEAD rising when Christ returns because the DEAD rising up 

SHOWS NOTHING OF A LIVING SPIRIT JOINING A CARCASS TO BE MADE ANYTHING EVER. 

SOME ONE MADE THAT UP, and it wasn't GOD.  

[Retrobyter]

15 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Perhaps you can expand on this. I looked up soul and spirit used in Hebrews and found psyche and Pneuma. AH! You did not mean the book of Hebrews, you meant Hebrew language. Got it.

I always fall back on what a bible school professor said: always filter OT verses through the NT because the New is a newer and more complete revelation.

Shalom, iamlamad.

Perhaps, but the New is only as good as one currently understands the Old. The New is NOT "straight out of the package!" That is, it's not a completely New thing! It has TIES to the Old! Perhaps, the better understanding would be to think of the New as ENHANCED or AUGMENTED, rather than completely New!

For instance, the Law of God is NOT different; it is ENHANCED by the Holy Spirit enabling one to keep the Law of God through love for God and love for his or her fellow human beings! If one is truly thinking about others, for instance, then he or she would NOT covet their things, but be happy for them in their wealth and prosperity! He or she may seek counsel from that individual, but never to separate them from their good providence!

If one truly loves God, one will want to benefit His God in some way, even though we, like Paul, may have to admit, we're "unprofitable servants." Slaves that can't even help our Master "break even" with us as His slaves. And, who COULD be "profitable" compared to the HUGE debt we owe with regards to His Son's Sacrifice?!

As far as "spirit" and "soul" are concerned,

"spirit" = Hebrew: "ruwach" = Greek: "pneuma" = "wind" or "forceful breath; blowing"
"soul" = Hebrew: "nefesh" = Greek: "psuchee" = "air-breathing" creature or individual

One CANNOT have an "air-breathing individual" without the equipment by which to "breathe air!"
One CANNOT possess a "wind" or a "forceful breath" once he or she has exhaled!

Neither of these two words refer to an "immaterial part" of a human being.

[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Roy, I think you missed my point. John recorded the last half of the week twice, and John wrote it five more times. That is seven total we have of the last half of the week. Daniel wrote quite plainly of the entire 70th week separated from the 69. 

I am saying that if what you wrote is the intention of the Author, I would expect to find the first 3 1/2 years written somewhere very clearly.

Shalom, iamlamad.

You may expect to find it, but you won't, because it wasn't left to us that clearly; HOWEVER, as I said, you CAN find it if you dig a little deeper!

In any case, the fact that Yeeshuwa` fulfilled the three points in verse 27 clearly in the New Testament SHOULD give one an understanding that HE was the One portrayed as He who established a covenant for seven years, which was BROKEN in half when He caused the sacrifice and the oblation (the gift) to cease! He did this by making the Temple subject to inefficacy! It could no longer do what it was meant to do! HIS Sacrifice was the LAST sacrifice that could satisfy God's requirement for the offense of sin.

What you need to understand is that it won't be an "antichrist" or a "beast" who breaks the 7-year covenant; it was the LEADERSHIP of JUDAH that broke the covenant with their abominations for which He left them desolate! And, their abominations were the rejection of the Messiah of God and the ultimate rejection through His crucifixion!

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

²⁵ Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, So far we cannot tell if this is into the 70th week or if there is a gap and His death is in the gap.

This is simply because one is not familiar with Jewish literature. The major points are established first, almost as a summary, and THEN the details are revealed! It is clear that verse 27 is about the final week, the "one week" but, one should have noticed that verse 26 has already been projected out to "the end." So, now verse 27 goes BACK to the lifetime of the Messiah, as HE is the one who "confirms the covenant with many for one week." He offered the Davidic Covenant to the Jews, for He IS the Son of God and He should have been crowned their King for those 7 years, as David was King of Judah for 7 years before he became king of all Israel!

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city: Titus' army destroyed the city. This comes AFTER  the 69 weeks and BEFORE the 70th. It is obvious that 70 AD did not happen in 32 AD. 

Yes, that's true about Titus and the Roman army, but no, this came AFTER the 69 and a HALF weeks, which finished in "32 A.D." (actually, it was probably 28 A.D.), and BEFORE the last HALF of the 70th week, which is yet in the future!

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Then, following Daniels order of events, he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week...now we have to ask who or what is the antecedent of "he." If we back up word for word, the first thing we come to is  "the prince." It is the very same prince that destroyed the city. Some will argue that an antecedent cannot be a part of a prepositional phrase. Of course it can!

Not legitimately. The rules of English say that the object of the preposition CANNOT act as the subject of the sentence! And, the HEBREW sentence doesn't end at the end of verse 26! Verse 27 has VERBS but no SUBJECT (which is why pronouns were supplied in translation)! The Hebrew grammar has the word nagiyd (prince) as the second noun in a noun construct state, and like the English rule, it has the rule that the second construct noun CANNOT be the subject of the sentence! The ONLY word that can be the subject of those verbs in verse 27 is the word "Messiah" in verse 26!

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Just as Daniel jumped generation after generation with "the king of the North" in chapter 11, I don't think it is a stretch to jump from "the prince" as the leader of Rome then, to jump to "a prince" that will be the leader of the Antichrist Beast's kingdom in the future. 

Sorry, but verse 27 was fulfilled in part in the FIRST Century A.D. No such double use of the word "prince" is necessary! I'm okay with the "gap" of time, because it is the time when what has been determined as punishment is poured out on those who were left "desolate." 

Daniel 9:27b (KJV)

... for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The JEWS are the "desolate." They were so named by Yeeshuwa` in Matthew 23.

What things "have been determined" that have been "poured upon them?" Let's see: The Roman persecutions were NOT just against the Christians! They were against the Jews, as well! The scattering of them among the nations has been a HUGE blow. They would gather into groups and when something terrible happened to the general population where they were living, they were blamed for the disaster. They were chased from country to country all around Europe, and they suffered in the Spanish Inquisitions, in the Crusades, and in the Pogroms in Russia, and they faced the murderous Nazis and Hitler in the Holocaust. Even today, they are the targets of terrorists and bombings and missiles, even in their own land! Furthermore, the surrounding nations are ALL against them as though they were interlopers in their own land! Yeah, they are ALREADY in the Time of Jacob's Trouble, which Yeeshuwa` called "the time of the Gentiles (non-Jews)!" They are already seeing the "great tribulation!"

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I have heard the voice of our Lord many times in my life. I am quite sure WHO spoke to me. Therefore I believe we are just going to disagree on these verses.

Jesus told those who live in Judea to flee the moment they see the abomination. From Daniel we can determine that it will be the abomination that will divide the week. Therefore, the fleeing, 12:6 is going to be only seconds after the abomination. That is further proof that the WEEK will go from the 7th seal to the 7th vial.  I might add, it is quite like our Lord to mark the 70th week with sevens.

The Jews already fled from Jerusalem in 66 A.D! They fled, as they were instructed by Yeeshuwa` and by an angel He sent, before the Roman armies could close the noose around Jerusalem in the siege. Most of them went over the mountains of Israel and across the Jordan to Pella in the Decapolis. This is OLD NEWS! It need not be repeated.

[Your closest friendnt]

@Retrobyter, Shalom.

There some translations that have have Luke 17:21 

** 21. Good News Translation
No one will say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is within you."

** GOD'S WORD® Translation
21. They can't say, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' You see, the kingdom of God is within you

And there are other translations

ESV 21. nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.

**Amplified bible: 21.nor will people say, ‘Look! Here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’

For the kingdom of God is among you.”

 ** All the Greek bibles are having similar wording as follows: 

**ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 17:20 Greek NT: Nestle 1904
Ἐπερωτηθεὶς δὲ ὑπὸ τῶν Φαρισαίων πότε ἔρχεται ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἀπεκρίθη αὐτοῖς καὶ εἶπεν Οὐκ ἔρχεται ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ μετὰ παρατηρήσεως,

**ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 17:21 Greek NT: Nestle 1904
οὐδὲ ἐροῦσιν Ἰδοὺ ὧδε ἤ Ἐκεῖ· ἰδοὺ γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν

"ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν" 

 

ἐντὸς

entós

within

 

 

 

 

 

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Translations of εντός

preposition

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within

εντός, μέσα

---

in

σε, εν, εντός, εις, μέσα

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into

σε, μέσα, εντός, εις

From the Greek tex the word "ἐντὸς" correct translation is within.  

(The word βασιλεια is a form of the noun marked similar below. This form's case is nominative (which usually indicates subject), its number is single, and its gender is feminine.)  (η βασιλεια)  

*******Jesus in Luke 17:20-21 he said to the Pharisees the same thing he said to Nicodemus who was also a Pharisee and he had the same concept about the Kingdom of God just like the Pharisees Jesus is talking in Luke 17;20-21..

Jesus told them the concept they had about the Kingdom of God is not going to come to pass...Jesus understood that they have no any idea...what was the Kingdom of God.. and he knew if he tells them that they will overcome by their righteous indignation and they would like to kill him and do something that they did to those who were expelled from their communities and they did not want them to be remembered like what Pharaoh did with Moses..

Jesus confronted those Pharisees who were planning to throw his body to the fire of the garbage dam near Jerusalem known as Gehenna...

This is why Jesus told to be afraid no just of those who have the power to Kill you, but to be afraid of those who after they kill you they plan to burn your body...so in their beliefs the could not have a body to raised up with...and totally been out of their society...

That's what they believe...

Jesus told them choosing his words carefully that they had no idea what the Kingdom of God will be....because the people of God at that time they will have the Spirit of God or the Spirit of Jesus in their heart...and will be scatter all over the world....

It is not going to be like the Kingdom of David or Solomon...with palaces great castles and surrounded by soldiers...

No one would be able to say "let's go and visit the kingdom of God...it won't be a geographical location with boundaries...the people of God in and the no Kingdom outside the city....breathing fresh air... 

It is not a Kingdom to behold it's splendor of Gold  and precious stones...and Architecture.

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Retrobyter, Shalom.

There some translations that have have Luke 17:21 

** 21. Good News Translation
No one will say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is within you."

** GOD'S WORD® Translation
21. They can't say, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' You see, the kingdom of God is within you

And there are other translations

ESV 21. nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.

**Amplified bible: 21.nor will people say, ‘Look! Here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’

For the kingdom of God is among you.”

 ** All the Greek bibles are having similar wording as follows: 

**ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 17:20 Greek NT: Nestle 1904
Ἐπερωτηθεὶς δὲ ὑπὸ τῶν Φαρισαίων πότε ἔρχεται ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἀπεκρίθη αὐτοῖς καὶ εἶπεν Οὐκ ἔρχεται ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ μετὰ παρατηρήσεως,

**ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 17:21 Greek NT: Nestle 1904
οὐδὲ ἐροῦσιν Ἰδοὺ ὧδε ἤ Ἐκεῖ· ἰδοὺ γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν

"ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν" 

 

ἐντὸς

entós

within

 

 

 

 

 

Feedback

Translations of εντός

preposition

---

within

εντός, μέσα

---

in

σε, εν, εντός, εις, μέσα

---

into

σε, μέσα, εντός, εις

From the Greek tex the word "ἐντὸς" correct translation is within.  

(The word βασιλεια is a form of the noun marked similar below. This form's case is nominative (which usually indicates subject), its number is single, and its gender is feminine.)  (η βασιλεια)  

*******Jesus in Luke 17:20-21 he said to the Pharisees the same thing he said to Nicodemus who was also a Pharisee and he had the same concept about the Kingdom of God just like the Pharisees Jesus is talking in Luke 17;20-21..

Jesus told them the concept they had about the Kingdom of God is not going to come to pass...Jesus understood that they have no any idea...what was the Kingdom of God.. and he knew if he tells them that they will overcome by their righteous indignation and they would like to kill him and do something that they did to those who were expelled from their communities and they did not want them to be remembered like what Pharaoh did with Moses..

Jesus confronted those Pharisees who were planning to throw his body to the fire of the garbage dam near Jerusalem known as Gehenna...

This is why Jesus told to be afraid no just of those who have the power to Kill you, but to be afraid of those who after they kill you they plan to burn your body...so in their beliefs the could not have a body to raised up with...and totally been out of their society...

That's what they believe...

Jesus told them choosing his words carefully that they had no idea what the Kingdom of God will be....because the people of God at that time they will have the Spirit of God or the Spirit of Jesus in their heart...and will be scatter all over the world....

It is not going to be like the Kingdom of David or Solomon...with palaces great castles and surrounded by soldiers...

No one would be able to say "let's go and visit the kingdom of God...it won't be a geographical location with boundaries...the people of God in and the no Kingdom outside the city....breathing fresh air... 

It is not a Kingdom to behold it's splendor of Gold  and precious stones...and Architecture.

 

Shalom, Your closest friendnt.

I'm sorry, but to say that "entos" ( ἐντός) only means "within" is disingenuous.

Just looking at the word as defined in BibleHub.com, we get this:

Strong's Concordance

entos: within, among

Original Word: ἐντός
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: entos
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tos')
Definition: within, among
Usage: within, inside, the inside.

NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin
from en
Definition
within, among
NASB Translation
inside (1), midst (1).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon

STRONGS NT 1787: ἐντός

ἐντός, adverb ((from ἐν, opposed to ἐκτός), within, inside: with the genitive ἐντός ὑμῶν, within you, i. e. in the midst of you, Luke 17:21 (ἐντός αὐτῶν, Xenophon, an. 1, 10, 3 (but see the passage); ἐντός τούτων, Hell. 2, 3, 19; others); others, within you (i. e. in your souls), a meaning which the use of the word permits (ἐντός μου, Psalm 38:4 (); Psalm 108:22 (), etc.; (Hippolytus, ref. haer. 5, 7, 8; Petrus Alexandrinus, epistle can. 5)), but not the context; τό ἐντός, the inside, Matthew 23:26. 

What you MUST understand that Yeeshuwa` was NOT happy with the resistance He felt from these Pharisees. Why would He promise them ANYTHING?! In fact, if you follow His parable two chapters later after His meeting with Zachaeus, you will see that they are just going to be killed again for their rejection when He returns WITH His Kingdom!

No, even if you keep the definition to being "within" you have the problem with Him talking to them as "YOU," which in the KJV ("you," not "thee") and in the Greek (ὑμῶν or humoon, not σοὶ or soi) is a PLURAL pronoun! He's not talking about "each one of you"; He's talking to them AS A GROUP! When He says that the Kingdom of the skies is "within all of them," He is there "within" their group!

Not like this: ()

But like this: 

Think on this, because it DOES matter in the long run! One needs to be EXPECTING His reign when He returns!

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, iamlamad.

Perhaps, but the New is only as good as one currently understands the Old. The New is NOT "straight out of the package!" That is, it's not a completely New thing! It has TIES to the Old! Perhaps, the better understanding would be to think of the New as ENHANCED or AUGMENTED, rather than completely New!

For instance, the Law of God is NOT different; it is ENHANCED by the Holy Spirit enabling one to keep the Law of God through love for God and love for his or her fellow human beings! If one is truly thinking about others, for instance, then he or she would NOT covet their things, but be happy for them in their wealth and prosperity! He or she may seek counsel from that individual, but never to separate them from their good providence!

If one truly loves God, one will want to benefit His God in some way, even though we, like Paul, may have to admit, we're "unprofitable servants." Slaves that can't even help our Master "break even" with us as His slaves. And, who COULD be "profitable" compared to the HUGE debt we owe with regards to His Son's Sacrifice?!

As far as "spirit" and "soul" are concerned,

"spirit" = Hebrew: "ruwach" = Greek: "pneuma" = "wind" or "forceful breath; blowing"
"soul" = Hebrew: "nefesh" = Greek: "psuchee" = "air-breathing" creature or individual

One CANNOT have an "air-breathing individual" without the equipment by which to "breathe air!"
One CANNOT possess a "wind" or a "forceful breath" once he or she has exhaled!

Neither of these two words refer to an "immaterial part" of a human being.

Matthew 10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Souls can be destroyed but not eliminated. Can a "breath" be destroyed? The soul is separate from the body. The body goes to the grave (breath gone) but the soul ends up in hell.

Matthew 11:29  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

soul's can find rest or destruction.

Matthew 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Soul's can LOVE

Matthew 26:38  Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

Souls are FEELINGS or have feelings

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

Soul's but have THOUGHT: they can praise Her soul was not a complete her, it was only a part of her.

Luke 12:19  And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

Soul's can be spoken to, can listen, and can understand but NOT mean the entire person.

Luke 12:19  And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

Souls  -  apart from the entire person, can be relaxed. They must have feelings.

Acts 2:27  Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

The soul can leave the body behind and go to hell. Therefore the soul is something APART from the body.

Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: 

Here the soul seems to be the mind - people that think alike.

Acts 7:14  Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.

Here soul is used for the whole person, as it was in Genesis.

These verses  (I could find many more) prove that the word "soul" in the bible can mean the entire person, or it can mean an  "immaterial part" of a human being.

It seems in the NT is is used frequently as the immaterial part of a human.

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

AGAIN< you keep saying it and GODS WORD TELLS US THE OPPOSITE STORY.  SO WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE?  MAN OR GOD?  HERE IS WHAT IS WRITTEN

And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, 

THOU SOWEST NOT THAT BODY THAT SHALL BE.  

How can anyone be confused over such a simple concept?

We SOW a flesh and BLOOD body. (the life is in the blood) (Gen. 9:4)

The body that "shall be" is our RESURRECTION body: flesh and BONE body, no more blood. 

These two bodies are DIFFERENT. However, the resurrection body ORIGINATED from the Sown body. Jesus came back to His OWN body.

When Jesus rose, He also raised many (not all) from the Old Testament. I think He raised "the elders." What does the Word say? "The GRAVES were opened." "They came OUT of the graves." "53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection..."

What is this telling us? Jesus brought their spirits with their souls (memories, mind, will, emotions, feelings, affections) back to the DUST that once formed their bodies, He FORMED those bodies again with the same particles of matter that once made up those bodies, then the spirits jumped back INTO those bodies - now changed into resurrection bodies - and finally they walked out of their graves and were SEEN by others.

I have read of MANY testimonies of people who have died (Gary L Wood for one - I have talked with him in person) went to heaven (their spirit and soul went to heaven) but their body quit working.  Then someone prayed, and Jesus told them that someone was praying so they would have to go back. In every case they went right back to THEIR body. 

On man that died four times in a short period of time, each time came back and as he described it, he jumped right into his body through his mouth and was alive again for a moment. Three times he went DOWN all the way to hell, but was prayed back to His body. On the third time, HE REPENTED, and was born again. The fourth time, his spirit went UP, but God spoke and sent Him back.

We sow our natural body, but our natural body then changes into a resurrection body. Again, this is a simple concept and is EXACTLY what the scriptures tell us.

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

1 Peter 3:18
because also Christ once for sins suffered, righteous for unrighteous, so that YOU HE MIGHT BRING TO GOD, having been put to death indeed in flesh, having been made alive however in spirit

Did you not read? 

1 Corinthians 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

When we are baptize, we symbolize that we died when Christ died. And when we come up out of the water, we rise with Him to a new life. When one is born again, the "old man" (the spirit every human is born with) is PUT TO DEATH and God instantly creates a NEW SPIRIT with HIS DNA. We are then a NEW creation in Christ.

In other words, after being born of the Spirit, we are a DIFFERENT PERSON - but we keep the same soul, so same memories, same feelings, same emotions etc.

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

It is sown a natural body it is raised a spiritual BODY, 

NOT A SPIRIT THAT RETURNS FOR SOMETHING TO COME UP OUT FROM THE CORRUPTIONG, 

IF THAT WERE TRUE you would have something more that DEAD rising when Christ returns because the DEAD rising up 

SHOWS NOTHING OF A LIVING SPIRIT JOINING A CARCASS TO BE MADE ANYTHING EVER. 

SOME ONE MADE THAT UP, and it wasn't GOD.  

That is the VERY DEFINITION of "resurrection." it speaks of a dead physical body raising from the dead, becoming alive again. What makes a human body "alive? It is the human SPIRIT within the body. Our spirit is the LIFE of our body. 

Did you not read?

Mark 15:37  And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

While Jesus' spirit was INSIDE the body, He was alive. The moment the Spirit (ghost) LEFT the body, the body was DEAD. 

But JESUS the real person was NOT dead: He went to hell to defeat death, hell and the grave.

AFter three days and three nights HE came right back to HIS OWN body.

Matthew 27: how do you imagine those elders from the Old Testament (I would guess Adam was one of them) became alive and came out of their grave?

First, God brought together the DUST that once made up their bodies, and formed the body once again JUST AS IT WAS when it was perhaps 30 years old, Then change it into a resurrection body,  then brought the SPIRITS of those elders UP FROM OUT OF PARADISE (Abraham's bosom) so they could JOIN with their bodies once again and cause those bodies to LIVE.

Always remember, before God breathed a HUMAN SPIRIT into Adam, it was only a lifeless body.

Next, the human spirit and soul  - all of them ever born - will live forever. God is the God of the LIVING, Jesus said. When He said that, Abraham was VERY MUCH alive in heaven. So was Isaac and Jacob. So was David. 

Just so you know, people that have died and gone to heaven, but got prayed back to their bodies - they testify that they have seen and talked with David, Abraham, Jonah, and the prophets. 

Some have testified that they noticed a difference between some of those they met. One person ask Abraham why He appeared different. He answered that He already had His resurrection body, while most of the others did not. My guess is, Abraham was one of the many that Jesus raised when HE rose up.

Did you forget already what Paul wrote, that corruption must PUT ON incorruption?

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: (1 Cor. 15:42)

We SOW are flesh and blood body, (corruptible) and when God raises that flesh and blood body, He changes it into an INCORRUPTIBLE body. What you seem to miss is, IT IS THE SAME BODY but changed. It will LOOK the same, with the same features so that all will recognize them.

Another thing you miss, HOW is there LIFE in a resurrection body? Simply because the SAME human spirit that LEFT that body at death RETURNS to the new resurrection body and they are WHOLE (body, soul, spirit, once again.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

These two bodies are DIFFERENT. However, the resurrection body ORIGINATED from the Sown body. Jesus came back to His OWN body

OUR FATHER WASN'T GOD.  Our father was a MAN.  

THE BODY THAT GOES INTO THE GROUND GOES TO DUST.  

ALL EXCEPT A SEED OF IT.  

GOD GIVES THAT SEED A 'DIFFERENT' BODY.

SOME PRODUCE WHEAT SEEDS.   
SOME PRODUCE OTHER SEEDS. 


THE NATURAL BODY MADE OF THE DUST OF THE EARTH IS 

NOT

A SPIRITUAL BODY MADE WITHOUT HANDS OF THE HEAVEN


DUST TO DUST.  THIS BODY GOES BACK TO DUST

JESUS BODY 'NATURAL' WASN'T LIKE OUR BODY

HIS FATHER WAS GOD.  


YOUI CAN SAY IT AND SAY IT AND SAY AND MAKE EVERY EXCUSE IN THE WORLD BUT WHAT IS WRITTEN BY GOD


IS 

THIS BODY GOES BACK TO DUST

THIS BODY IS NOT THE BODY THAT SHALL BE

GOD WILL GIVE US ANOTHER BODY NOT MADE BY MAN, NOT OF THE DUST OF THE EARTH BUT OF HEAVEN

THERE AREE 2 BODIES

THERE IS A BODY NATURA;

THERE IS A BODY SPIRITUAL

 

HOW SCARY THAT WHAT IS WRITTEN SO CLEARLY, SO PLAINLY YET YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ANY OF IT.  

DOES THE BODY GO BACK TO DUST  -  NOT TO YOU

IS THE BODY SOWN THE SAME BODY RAISED  =  IT IS TO YOU

ARE EITHER OF THOSE THINGS WRITTEN?   NOT BY GOD.