The Second Coming of Jesus Christ to Bozrah

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The Second Coming of Jesus Christ to Bozrah 63: 1-6

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The Second Coming of Jesus Christ to Bozrah
63: 1-6

The second coming of Jesus Christ to Bozrah DIG: Edom (symbolic for God’s enemies) means red. What might the symbols here mean? Whose blood is it? How is this the opposite of the salvation coming to Jerusalem? What does this picture of God as warrior add to the other images of Him in 62:1-12? How does the divine Warrior here in 63:1-6 parallel the divine Warrior in 59:15b-21? What does He mean when He says: The year of My redemption has come?

REFLECT: Does this scene seem harsh or righteous to you? Does it worry you or give you comfort? Why? Where do you think you will be when this scene plays itself out? Why do you think the world rejects this message? How do you feel about Jesus as a divine Warrior (Joshua 5:1315; Numbers 21:14)? Isaiah 60:1 to 63:6 portrays what the coming Kingdom of God will be like. It will include judgment of those who rebelled against Him. Is this comforting or disturbing to you? Why?

This passage forms an independent oracle on the final triumph of God over Isra’el’s enemies, which is preliminary to the redemption. The image presented is one of the most impressive and awe-inspiring in the TaNaKh and it is difficult to say which is most to be admired, the dramatic vividness of the vision, or the discretion which conceals the actual work of slaughter and concentrates the attention on the Divine Hero as He emerges victorious from the conflict. A solitary and majestic figure, in blood-red clothing, is seen approaching from the direction of Edom. A question of surprise escapes from the prophet’s lips as he sees the singular and startling apparition; and a brief reply comes from afar. The Hero is none other than the God of Isra’el.

Once again the single-handed aspect of the Messiah’s Second Coming is shown (59:15b-29). A watchman (see 62:6) is standing at some high point in Jerusalem looking to the southeast to Bozrah (the modern-day Buseirah). It is located about 25 miles southeast of the southern end on the Dead Sea in what is today Jordan. It was an important city in Edom and was a sheep-herding center. The name means grape-gathering.

The watchman sees a very graphic figure coming toward him from the land of Edom and the city of Bozrah (in Hebrew) or Petra (in Greek). The origin of the Second Coming is Bozrah (34:1-7). Habakkuk also brings this point out. God came from Teman (Ta-MAUN), The Holy One from Mount Paran (Habakkuk 3:3). Teman is just north of Bozrah towards Jerusalem. So for Jesus to get to Jerusalem, God would have to come from Teman. Teman and Mount Paran are both in the vicinity of Bozrah and are located in the same Mount Seir. The watchman asks: Who is this coming from Bozrah, from Edom (63:1a)?

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The Bible clearly pinpoints the beginning of the Second Coming at the city of Bozrah. But why Bozrah? Because that is where the believing remnant will be hiding in the last days (Micah 2:12-13), which is why the antichrist and the armies of the world are drawn to Bozrah. Satan knows that Isra’el is the apple of His eye (Deuteronomy 32:10) and he knows Scripture (Matthew 4:1-11). So he and his armies are drawn, like a fish with a hook in their mouths to Bozrah to destroy the Jews once and for all (Jeremiah 49:12-13). But this would not be a permanent home for the believing remnant; it was a temporary home. That is why Zechariah 12:7 to 13:1 says that the LORD will save the tents of Judah first. In other words, when Jesus Christ comes back a second time, He will come to Bozrah first, saving the believing remnant, before going to Jerusalem through Teman.

The watchman enters into a discussion with this fast approaching figure. He asks: Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with His garments stained crimson. The Hebrew word for red is of the same root as Edom, therefore red (adom) is a wordplay on Edom (edom). A winepress was usually a shallow pit with a hole on the side leading out to a container. As individuals trampled on grapes in the press, the juice flowed through the hole into the container. Obviously some juice would also splatter on the workers’ clothes. The watchman continues to ask: Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of His strength (63:1b-c)?

The divine Warrior answers: It is I, speaking in righteousness, mighty to save (63:1d). Who is this Person? The One whose constant characteristic is speaking what is righteous. The idols cannot do this for they do not know either the past or the future (43:9). Only One has the power that is mighty to save. This is an important point. These verses are ultimately not about judgment or destruction – they are about salvation. Because the enemy is destroyed, His people are delivered (52:7-12). What did the watchman see? He saw the arm of the LORD (59:1), Yeshua Messiah marching toward Jerusalem. The salvation that was announced in 62:11 will then be seen.

But now the divine Warrior has approached close enough for the watchman to see more details. He noticed that His clothing, though brilliantly shining with the Sh’khinah glory, is nevertheless stained with blood. That raises the second question. Why are your garments red, like those of one treading the winepress (63:2)? In Isaiah’s day, people would get into the winepress barefooted and trample out the grapes. The red juice would spurt out the ripe grapes and stain their garments. The Hebrew actually reads: Why is there such redness in your garments? In Revelation 19:13 we are also told that He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood. Several commentaries say that the blood Christ is stained with is His own blood that had been shed for the believing remnant. But this is not His own blood, but that of the enemy.

Next, we learn that He has come from the trampling of the nations, or defeating the antichrist and the armies of the world. He did it all by Himself. The Warrior’s answer to the question above begins here and continues through verse 6. There was no one to help Him in His awful task. Earlier He had said: I saw that there was no one, I was appalled that there was no one to intervene but Me; so My own arm worked salvation for Me and My own righteousness sustained Me (59:16). So Jesus declared again: I have trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one in the whole world was with Me (63:3a). Yeshua Messiah was alone on the cross, and He will be alone in His judgment. How would it be possible for the millennial Jerusalem to exist? Only because Messiah made it possible.

The watchman sees that there is blood on His beautiful garments just as if He had trampled the winepress. The word blood here is nesah, meaning squirting blood. We are told clearly that two armies will return with Him. One is an angelic army (Matthew 16:24), the other is the army of believers (Jude 14-15; Revelation 19:14a). But neither the angles nor believers participate in any of the fighting. The image used here is the treading of the winepress. Jesus Christ declared: I trampled them in My anger and trod them down in My wrath; their blood spattered My garments and I stained all My clothing (63:3b).

God’s wrath is also pictured as being like a winepress. He attacked the enemies of His people and trampled them under foot like grapes, so that their lifeblood has spurted out and spattered His garments. This imagery is used in Haggai 2:16, and also in Revelation 14:19-20 where the final treading of the nations is viewed as the treading of the grapes in the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the City, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia or about 180 miles or 300 kilometers (see my commentary on Revelation, to see link click Ex – The Eight Stage Campaign of Armgeddon).

Now comes the explanation: For the day of vengeance was in My heart, and the year of My redemption has come (63:4). But doesn’t all this carnage merely suggest a heavenly tyrant out of control? Is this not blood lust? No! But what about the word vengeance? Doesn’t that convey a mean spirit of revenge and bitterness? It might if it were by itself, but the parallelism in the context of the verse speaks volumes. What is the vengeance about? Payback? No, its about redemption, about breaking the power of sin and evil so that those who are held captive can go free. The very thing that Isaiah prayed for in 62:12 is now being fulfilled when Messiah says: The year of My redemption has come.

I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so My own arm worked salvation for Me, and My own wrath sustained Me (63:5). This verse reemphasizes that Christ will fight alone. There was no one else in the world that could help. There is no one else in the world that can save Jerusalem from the invading armies of the antichrist. Therefore, God’s own arm worked salvation for the Jews. This is the ninth and last of nine references to the arm of the LORD in Isaiah (30:30 and 32, 40:10, 50:2, 51:5 and 9, 52:10, 53:1, 59:1 and 16, 62:8). His own wrath sustained Him during this campaign.

The results are seen. Messiah says: I trampled the nations in My anger (63:6a). Paul records a similar thought: and then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet (First Corinthians 15:24-25). After capturing five Amorite kings, Joshua summoned all the men of Isra’el, and he said to the army commanders who had come with him, Come here and put your feet on the necks of these kings. So they came forward and placed their feet on their necks.

This is a form of public humiliation of defeated enemy leaders and was usually the climax of warfare in the ancient Near East. When the statue of Sadam Hussein was brought down in front of an international audience, the people trampled it and hit it with their shoes to show their contempt for him. The monuments of ancient Egypt, Assyria, and Persia give numerous illustrations of the custom of conquerors trampling on the vanquished. In the cave at Beit el Walley in Nubia is a hieroglyphic description of Ramses II trampling on his enemies. It reads, “Kol, the strange land, is beneath your sandals.” At the foot of a wooden mummy case in the British Museum are painted the soles of two shoes, and on each is the figure of a man with his arms and hands tied behind him, and his feet tied at the ankles. In this helpless state he is supposed to be trampled on by the wearer of the shoes. It was a very expressive illustration of mingled triumph and contempt. These customs strikingly illustrate the text and numerous parallel passages (Ps 8:6, 110:1, 119:118; Isaiah 14:19, 25:10, 28:3 and 18; Lam 1:15, 3:34; Dan 8:13; Micah 7:10; Malachi 4:3; Luke 21:24; Rom 16:20 and Hebrews 10:29).251

The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed (Revelation 5:5). Here Ha’Shem says: In My wrath I made them drunk and poured their blood on the ground (63:6b). The lifeblood shed and therefore His wrath was decisively finished. To those who do not fully understand the true nature of ADONAI, verses like this seem contrary to the character of ADONAI. They believe that the LORD is love, and that is true. The LORD is love. But if a person rejects Christ, the sacrifice, he or she becomes the sacrifice. On the cross, God the Father poured out His wrath on God the Son as a punishment for sin (53:5). So anyone who rejects His sacrifice is cursed. This is what we see in the Second Coming, a world who has rejected Messiah being held accountable. Those who reject this truth only want to see the LORD as love because they want to be able to sin with no accountability. The truth does not set them free, they choose to believe a lie, and in the end they will spend eternity apart from Christ and His love. Then He will say to those on His left: Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Mattityahu 25:41). Their death is only the result of refusing to avail themselves of His death.

Therefore, Isaiah has given a vision of how his prayer and the angels’ prayer of Chapter 62 is going to be fulfilled. These verses describe how salvation will come, how His reward is with Him, how His judgment is with Him, and how He will save His redeemed ones. However, it is a clear teaching of Scripture that the Second Coming cannot occur until the Jewish people ask for it. That is what Isaiah describes next.

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19. When Does the Lord Smite Edom?

Details Latter-Day events upon earth, including the Lord’s punishment of Edom, that are little understood by the Church.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1135-when-does-the-lord-smite-edom/

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On 4/25/2022 at 7:57 AM, angels4u said:

 

The Second Coming of Jesus Christ to Bozrah 63: 1-6

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The Second Coming of Jesus Christ to Bozrah
63: 1-6

The second coming of Jesus Christ to Bozrah DIG: Edom (symbolic for God’s enemies) means red. What might the symbols here mean? Whose blood is it? How is this the opposite of the salvation coming to Jerusalem? What does this picture of God as warrior add to the other images of Him in 62:1-12? How does the divine Warrior here in 63:1-6 parallel the divine Warrior in 59:15b-21? What does He mean when He says: The year of My redemption has come?

REFLECT: Does this scene seem harsh or righteous to you? Does it worry you or give you comfort? Why? Where do you think you will be when this scene plays itself out? Why do you think the world rejects this message? How do you feel about Jesus as a divine Warrior (Joshua 5:1315; Numbers 21:14)? Isaiah 60:1 to 63:6 portrays what the coming Kingdom of God will be like. It will include judgment of those who rebelled against Him. Is this comforting or disturbing to you? Why?

This passage forms an independent oracle on the final triumph of God over Isra’el’s enemies, which is preliminary to the redemption. The image presented is one of the most impressive and awe-inspiring in the TaNaKh and it is difficult to say which is most to be admired, the dramatic vividness of the vision, or the discretion which conceals the actual work of slaughter and concentrates the attention on the Divine Hero as He emerges victorious from the conflict. A solitary and majestic figure, in blood-red clothing, is seen approaching from the direction of Edom. A question of surprise escapes from the prophet’s lips as he sees the singular and startling apparition; and a brief reply comes from afar. The Hero is none other than the God of Isra’el.

Once again the single-handed aspect of the Messiah’s Second Coming is shown (59:15b-29). A watchman (see 62:6) is standing at some high point in Jerusalem looking to the southeast to Bozrah (the modern-day Buseirah). It is located about 25 miles southeast of the southern end on the Dead Sea in what is today Jordan. It was an important city in Edom and was a sheep-herding center. The name means grape-gathering.

The watchman sees a very graphic figure coming toward him from the land of Edom and the city of Bozrah (in Hebrew) or Petra (in Greek). The origin of the Second Coming is Bozrah (34:1-7). Habakkuk also brings this point out. God came from Teman (Ta-MAUN), The Holy One from Mount Paran (Habakkuk 3:3). Teman is just north of Bozrah towards Jerusalem. So for Jesus to get to Jerusalem, God would have to come from Teman. Teman and Mount Paran are both in the vicinity of Bozrah and are located in the same Mount Seir. The watchman asks: Who is this coming from Bozrah, from Edom (63:1a)?

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The Bible clearly pinpoints the beginning of the Second Coming at the city of Bozrah. But why Bozrah? Because that is where the believing remnant will be hiding in the last days (Micah 2:12-13), which is why the antichrist and the armies of the world are drawn to Bozrah. Satan knows that Isra’el is the apple of His eye (Deuteronomy 32:10) and he knows Scripture (Matthew 4:1-11). So he and his armies are drawn, like a fish with a hook in their mouths to Bozrah to destroy the Jews once and for all (Jeremiah 49:12-13). But this would not be a permanent home for the believing remnant; it was a temporary home. That is why Zechariah 12:7 to 13:1 says that the LORD will save the tents of Judah first. In other words, when Jesus Christ comes back a second time, He will come to Bozrah first, saving the believing remnant, before going to Jerusalem through Teman.

The watchman enters into a discussion with this fast approaching figure. He asks: Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with His garments stained crimson. The Hebrew word for red is of the same root as Edom, therefore red (adom) is a wordplay on Edom (edom). A winepress was usually a shallow pit with a hole on the side leading out to a container. As individuals trampled on grapes in the press, the juice flowed through the hole into the container. Obviously some juice would also splatter on the workers’ clothes. The watchman continues to ask: Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of His strength (63:1b-c)?

The divine Warrior answers: It is I, speaking in righteousness, mighty to save (63:1d). Who is this Person? The One whose constant characteristic is speaking what is righteous. The idols cannot do this for they do not know either the past or the future (43:9). Only One has the power that is mighty to save. This is an important point. These verses are ultimately not about judgment or destruction – they are about salvation. Because the enemy is destroyed, His people are delivered (52:7-12). What did the watchman see? He saw the arm of the LORD (59:1), Yeshua Messiah marching toward Jerusalem. The salvation that was announced in 62:11 will then be seen.

But now the divine Warrior has approached close enough for the watchman to see more details. He noticed that His clothing, though brilliantly shining with the Sh’khinah glory, is nevertheless stained with blood. That raises the second question. Why are your garments red, like those of one treading the winepress (63:2)? In Isaiah’s day, people would get into the winepress barefooted and trample out the grapes. The red juice would spurt out the ripe grapes and stain their garments. The Hebrew actually reads: Why is there such redness in your garments? In Revelation 19:13 we are also told that He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood. Several commentaries say that the blood Christ is stained with is His own blood that had been shed for the believing remnant. But this is not His own blood, but that of the enemy.

Next, we learn that He has come from the trampling of the nations, or defeating the antichrist and the armies of the world. He did it all by Himself. The Warrior’s answer to the question above begins here and continues through verse 6. There was no one to help Him in His awful task. Earlier He had said: I saw that there was no one, I was appalled that there was no one to intervene but Me; so My own arm worked salvation for Me and My own righteousness sustained Me (59:16). So Jesus declared again: I have trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one in the whole world was with Me (63:3a). Yeshua Messiah was alone on the cross, and He will be alone in His judgment. How would it be possible for the millennial Jerusalem to exist? Only because Messiah made it possible.

The watchman sees that there is blood on His beautiful garments just as if He had trampled the winepress. The word blood here is nesah, meaning squirting blood. We are told clearly that two armies will return with Him. One is an angelic army (Matthew 16:24), the other is the army of believers (Jude 14-15; Revelation 19:14a). But neither the angles nor believers participate in any of the fighting. The image used here is the treading of the winepress. Jesus Christ declared: I trampled them in My anger and trod them down in My wrath; their blood spattered My garments and I stained all My clothing (63:3b).

God’s wrath is also pictured as being like a winepress. He attacked the enemies of His people and trampled them under foot like grapes, so that their lifeblood has spurted out and spattered His garments. This imagery is used in Haggai 2:16, and also in Revelation 14:19-20 where the final treading of the nations is viewed as the treading of the grapes in the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the City, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia or about 180 miles or 300 kilometers (see my commentary on Revelation, to see link click Ex – The Eight Stage Campaign of Armgeddon).

Now comes the explanation: For the day of vengeance was in My heart, and the year of My redemption has come (63:4). But doesn’t all this carnage merely suggest a heavenly tyrant out of control? Is this not blood lust? No! But what about the word vengeance? Doesn’t that convey a mean spirit of revenge and bitterness? It might if it were by itself, but the parallelism in the context of the verse speaks volumes. What is the vengeance about? Payback? No, its about redemption, about breaking the power of sin and evil so that those who are held captive can go free. The very thing that Isaiah prayed for in 62:12 is now being fulfilled when Messiah says: The year of My redemption has come.

I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so My own arm worked salvation for Me, and My own wrath sustained Me (63:5). This verse reemphasizes that Christ will fight alone. There was no one else in the world that could help. There is no one else in the world that can save Jerusalem from the invading armies of the antichrist. Therefore, God’s own arm worked salvation for the Jews. This is the ninth and last of nine references to the arm of the LORD in Isaiah (30:30 and 32, 40:10, 50:2, 51:5 and 9, 52:10, 53:1, 59:1 and 16, 62:8). His own wrath sustained Him during this campaign.

The results are seen. Messiah says: I trampled the nations in My anger (63:6a). Paul records a similar thought: and then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet (First Corinthians 15:24-25). After capturing five Amorite kings, Joshua summoned all the men of Isra’el, and he said to the army commanders who had come with him, Come here and put your feet on the necks of these kings. So they came forward and placed their feet on their necks.

This is a form of public humiliation of defeated enemy leaders and was usually the climax of warfare in the ancient Near East. When the statue of Sadam Hussein was brought down in front of an international audience, the people trampled it and hit it with their shoes to show their contempt for him. The monuments of ancient Egypt, Assyria, and Persia give numerous illustrations of the custom of conquerors trampling on the vanquished. In the cave at Beit el Walley in Nubia is a hieroglyphic description of Ramses II trampling on his enemies. It reads, “Kol, the strange land, is beneath your sandals.” At the foot of a wooden mummy case in the British Museum are painted the soles of two shoes, and on each is the figure of a man with his arms and hands tied behind him, and his feet tied at the ankles. In this helpless state he is supposed to be trampled on by the wearer of the shoes. It was a very expressive illustration of mingled triumph and contempt. These customs strikingly illustrate the text and numerous parallel passages (Ps 8:6, 110:1, 119:118; Isaiah 14:19, 25:10, 28:3 and 18; Lam 1:15, 3:34; Dan 8:13; Micah 7:10; Malachi 4:3; Luke 21:24; Rom 16:20 and Hebrews 10:29).251

The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed (Revelation 5:5). Here Ha’Shem says: In My wrath I made them drunk and poured their blood on the ground (63:6b). The lifeblood shed and therefore His wrath was decisively finished. To those who do not fully understand the true nature of ADONAI, verses like this seem contrary to the character of ADONAI. They believe that the LORD is love, and that is true. The LORD is love. But if a person rejects Christ, the sacrifice, he or she becomes the sacrifice. On the cross, God the Father poured out His wrath on God the Son as a punishment for sin (53:5). So anyone who rejects His sacrifice is cursed. This is what we see in the Second Coming, a world who has rejected Messiah being held accountable. Those who reject this truth only want to see the LORD as love because they want to be able to sin with no accountability. The truth does not set them free, they choose to believe a lie, and in the end they will spend eternity apart from Christ and His love. Then He will say to those on His left: Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Mattityahu 25:41). Their death is only the result of refusing to avail themselves of His death.

Therefore, Isaiah has given a vision of how his prayer and the angels’ prayer of Chapter 62 is going to be fulfilled. These verses describe how salvation will come, how His reward is with Him, how His judgment is with Him, and how He will save His redeemed ones. However, it is a clear teaching of Scripture that the Second Coming cannot occur until the Jewish people ask for it. That is what Isaiah describes next.

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Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium?

 

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

 

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

 

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

 

Matthew 24:23-27KJV

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

Revelation 13:13-14KJV

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

Revelation 19:20KJV

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

[AdHoc]

The vengeance on Edom is fully justified. Edom offended God TWICE.

(1) Esau, father of the Edomites, "despised his birthright". God made a Covenant with Abraham for a number of things. Among the things Promised was "Kings" and these kings would "possess the Gate of his enemies". Thus, the promises pointed to Christ, (i) King of the Jews, and (ii) King of kings. The seed of Esau should have brought forth Jesus and it should have been; "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Esau". This he despised - to have His name connected on one side with Jehovah and on the other side with Jesus. He also despised the Land that God promised Abraham, and he despised the "Double Portion" given to the firstborn. But notice what is more in this Law of Deuteronomy 21:17 "But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his."

Esau despised a grand package due to Him by God choice. He showed no respect for his position in God's plan for man. It is one thing for David to commit murder and adultery. that is unlawfulness in weakness. But to consciously despise so great a heritage from God touches His Person and Choice. Beware Christian! You too have a birthright - the Kingdom of Heaven (not the Kingdom IN heaven).

(2) But why vengeance on Esau's offspring! Because they have a long history of persecuting Israel. Not only Esau's murderous thoughts towards Jacob are on record, but the Bible records (especially in Obadiah 1), how Edom joined Nebuchadnezzar in the rout and burning of Jerusalem. But above that, Amalek was the grandson of Esau and he, in the most cowardly fashion, attacked the old, and the weak and the stragglers of Israel in the wilderness (Ex.17). God declared a never-ending war between Israel and Edom - a war "from generation to generation" (ex.17:16).

God made His Covenant with Abraham, and one part of it was that God would curse those who cursed Israel. Our Lord comes from Bozrah covered in blood because Edom made themselves mortal enemies of a Covenanted People. You just don't mess with God.

It is noteworthy also that in the Millennium the whole earth, including the deserts will bloom - EXCEPT EDOM (Jer.49:17-20)

[truth7t7]

13 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

It is noteworthy also that in the Millennium the whole earth, including the deserts will bloom - EXCEPT EDOM (Jer.49:17-20)

Jeremiah chapter 49 is historical, battles fought long ago, there won't be a millennium on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Nahum 1:5KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Edited April 27, 2022 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

29 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Jeremiah chapter 49 is historical, battles fought long ago, there won't be a millennium on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Nahum 1:5KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

If you allow Jeremiah 49 to be literal historical events, you are bound to apply the same to Revelation 20. The six-time named Millennium is more sure than Bozrah - but both are the future because Christ has never been seen coming from Bozrah covered in blood, and the Beast, in his future capacity as world leader, has not beheaded a Christian yet - let alone these being resurrected.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

If you allow Jeremiah 49 to be literal historical events, you are bound to apply the same to Revelation 20. The six-time named Millennium is more sure than Bozrah - but both are the future because Christ has never been seen coming from Bozrah covered in blood, and the Beast, in his future capacity as world leader, has not beheaded a Christian yet - let alone these being resurrected.

Jesus won't be found upon this earth as many claim, as my post above clearly shows in citation of Matthew 24:23-27

It will be the future antichrist in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Christ

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

Edited April 28, 2022 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

11 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus won't be found upon this earth as many claim, as my post above clearly shows in citation of Matthew 24:23-27

It will be the future antichrist in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Christ

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

As usual, you would not, or could not address my words. But I will address your proffer of Matthew 24:23-27, although I'm certain you won't react - as the record shows.

In Matthew 24:23-27 our Lord answers the three questions put forward by His disciples in verse 3. One of the questions was "what is the sign of your coming". If the Lord was not coming, or "be found on this earth" as you say, His answer would have been - "you do err. I am not coming." But instead He enters into a somewhat lengthy discourse of things that befall a disciple who is an ex-Jew. The Temple, false Christs, synagogues, the Sabbath, Judea, Jerusalem, Daniel, and dispersion to the "four winds" are all matters of the Jew. This discourse from verse 4 to 31 concerns what a disciple sent to the circumcision will face. A major one is False Christs.

Having rejected their Messiah, the Jew still looks for that blessed day when Messiah will come. Having the prophecies that we know have been fulfilled, but not believing that they have been fulfilled, the Jew looks for his Messiah in multiple places. Bethlehem, Egypt, Galilee of the Nations, the Wilderness and Jerusalem are some. So the disciple of Jesus is pre-warned. False Christs will come, some saying they were born in Bethlehem, some saying they came out of Egypt, some saying they are from Galilee ... and so on. But then He tells His disciples, "you know where the REAL Messiah comes from - THE CLOUDS"! Israelites will look to the earth, but when Jesus comes it will be from that area that no man can simulate - the clouds. And His appearance will not be as a finch flying almost unnoticed in the air. It will be as a flash of lightening - seen from horizon to horizon around Jerusalem and brighter than 100 million light bulbs and four and one half times hotter than the sun.

And, having exited the clouds in frightening glory, He will touch down on Mount Olives (Zech.14:4). Although the Jew refuses the New Testament, this is confirmed by Acts 1:11 and Revelation Chapter 19 for you. Then, in respect of Israel, our Lord has two more duties. They are, (1) to save the beleaguered Jerusalem as the rest of Zechariah 14 tells, and then (2) march northward to meet the armies of the Beast at Armageddon in Jezreel. Then, having established military and political supremacy on earth, as Daniel Chapter 2 shows, He can set Ezekiel 37 into motion and collect the diaspora for the "four winds".

Your statement that our Lord Jesus will not be found on earth is shown to be incorrect by the very verses you proffered.

[truth7t7]

7 hours ago, AdHoc said:

As usual, you would not, or could not address my words. But I will address your proffer of Matthew 24:23-27, although I'm certain you won't react - as the record shows.

In Matthew 24:23-27 our Lord answers the three questions put forward by His disciples in verse 3. One of the questions was "what is the sign of your coming". If the Lord was not coming, or "be found on this earth" as you say, His answer would have been - "you do err. I am not coming." But instead He enters into a somewhat lengthy discourse of things that befall a disciple who is an ex-Jew. The Temple, false Christs, synagogues, the Sabbath, Judea, Jerusalem, Daniel, and dispersion to the "four winds" are all matters of the Jew. This discourse from verse 4 to 31 concerns what a disciple sent to the circumcision will face. A major one is False Christs.

Having rejected their Messiah, the Jew still looks for that blessed day when Messiah will come. Having the prophecies that we know have been fulfilled, but not believing that they have been fulfilled, the Jew looks for his Messiah in multiple places. Bethlehem, Egypt, Galilee of the Nations, the Wilderness and Jerusalem are some. So the disciple of Jesus is pre-warned. False Christs will come, some saying they were born in Bethlehem, some saying they came out of Egypt, some saying they are from Galilee ... and so on. But then He tells His disciples, "you know where the REAL Messiah comes from - THE CLOUDS"! Israelites will look to the earth, but when Jesus comes it will be from that area that no man can simulate - the clouds. And His appearance will not be as a finch flying almost unnoticed in the air. It will be as a flash of lightening - seen from horizon to horizon around Jerusalem and brighter than 100 million light bulbs and four and one half times hotter than the sun.

And, having exited the clouds in frightening glory, He will touch down on Mount Olives (Zech.14:4). Although the Jew refuses the New Testament, this is confirmed by Acts 1:11 and Revelation Chapter 19 for you. Then, in respect of Israel, our Lord has two more duties. They are, (1) to save the beleaguered Jerusalem as the rest of Zechariah 14 tells, and then (2) march northward to meet the armies of the Beast at Armageddon in Jezreel. Then, having established military and political supremacy on earth, as Daniel Chapter 2 shows, He can set Ezekiel 37 into motion and collect the diaspora for the "four winds".

Your statement that our Lord Jesus will not be found on earth is shown to be incorrect by the very verses you proffered.

Jesus is returning in the heavens 4.5 times hotter than the sun, then this  Christ touches down running to battle at armageddon gaining  military superiority?

Sounds like a Tim LA Haye Sci-Fi script, in a sequel to the left behind series

[AdHoc]

37 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus is returning in the heavens 4.5 times hotter than the sun, then this  Christ touches down running to battle at armageddon gaining  military superiority?

Sounds like a Tim LA Haye Sci-Fi script, in a sequel to the left behind series

If the Bible gives a description by pointing to nature, are we not bound to investigate it? Shall we not see if a mustard seed can grow to the size of an oak? Or shall we not study a 1-year-old Lamb without blemish to get a clearer picture of Jesus the Passover?

If you say; "Jesus will not be found on earth" and He Himself said it will be an event seen like lightening, who shall I believe?

But let us agree at last - Tim La Haye did write fiction. But I quoted Matthew 24.