The Harpazo.

[Dennis1209]

I want to comment on and get feedback on that glorious day, our blessed hope, the Resurrection – Rapture. Would anyone disagree the Bible is full of patterns?

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Our bodies will be changed in the smallest division of time (átomos); it does not mean we will be caught up and ascend in that same time frame. I genuinely believe we are the generation that will experience the harpazo. Yes, I hold the pre-tribulation view.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

If I am not called home first, I have pondered, will there be any time to take it all in? To see, hear the shout, the trumpet, look around as we ascend into the clouds?

I suspect the above verse may also include biblical patterns. I am not implying this will be the case, but it is a biblical pattern.

2 Kings 2:7 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan.

Elisha and fifty sons of the prophets watched Elijah ascend upward.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

The apostles watched and witnessed Jesus’ ascension to be at the Father's right hand.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

The enemies of God will see and watch the Two Witnesses ascend upward to Heaven.

Will the enemies of God watch and witness the ascension of the true church?

What are your thoughts?

[Sower]

6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

The enemies of God will see and watch the Two Witnesses ascend upward to Heaven.

Will the enemies of God watch and witness the ascension of the true church?

What are your thoughts?

I guess I don't think too much about the trip as much as the destination.
I hope if any I knew would see me leave that there won't be any of them I did not fail to share the gospel.
I have no idea if the enemies of God watch and witness the ascension of the true church.
When it happens I doubt I/we will be thinking about that, considering where were headed.
Interesting post Dennis but I haven't studied about it much.
 

[Dennis1209]

I should have titled this thread “Kay Sera Sera” with interest generated.

A poor comparison might be looking at the Rapture as taking the best temporary vacation ever. Temporary meaning, we will be spending some time in Heaven before returning to our permanent home here on earth with Jesus.

Half of the fun is anticipation, the excitement of preparing for the vacation, the direction and route of the trip, the scenic view in route, the last glance at your familiar surroundings, and the feeling as you start moving away toward your destination.

Founded on Scripture and biblical patterns, we will not be taken by surprise and unawares. I think there are intervals of unknown time between the sequence of the shout, the archangel's voice, and God's trumpet for the resurrection, then followed by the Harpazo.

Regardless of one view of the Rapture or lack thereof, how will it be logically explained and believed? How will it be used for the benefit of the Son of Perdition?

[OneLight]

I think you are looking for answers that just are not there in your last two questions above. Nobody knows how it will be explained or how the event will be used.  Can we see into the future?

But about your question where you ask if people will see the rapture happen, scripture tells us the rapture will be "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye".  How will there be enough time for anyone to watch it happen?  One moment we will be here, the next we will be gone.  I image if you are looking at someone before the rapture and then they are gone, one will notice, but I don't see where scripture tells us that everyone in the world (those left behind) will hear the shout or trumpet.  Actually, it doesn't say one way or the other.  No matter what happens that day, I believe it will not be like the movie productions show.

[Dennis1209]

It is probably only me, but I look forward to (birthdays, anniversaries, graduations, vacations, the Rapture, etc.) I imagine what they will be like in my mind. I suppose I am unique in that perspective?  

One of the points I mentioned is that scripture does not say or imply that the harpazo happens in the twinkling of an eye; we receive our glorified bodies in the twinkling of an eye. Just as the dead are raised first, we who are alive second, the third event appears to be the ascension (Rapture).

Perhaps I am missing it? Where in scripture are we plucked up in a split second? I am open to changing my view and comments.

Can we see into the future? We cannot, but we can read a good portion about it.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

[OneLight]

Here's how I see it.  1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 talk about the same event.  In one we read about the speed of the event and in the other about being caught up.  I combine the two to get a better picture.  Now, if what is being done in 1 Cor 15 happens in a twinkling of the eye, I apply that timing to 1 Thes 4.

[Alive]

I am convinced there is an event when the Lord returns that covers it all.

Resurrection, Judgement and a Restoration of all things.

We have no idea what that looks like in reality…but it will be glorious.

Speculation is like Carter’s liver pills.

:-)

Lots of money in liver pills.

[missmuffet]

On 4/25/2022 at 3:03 PM, Dennis1209 said:

I want to comment on and get feedback on that glorious day, our blessed hope, the Resurrection – Rapture. Would anyone disagree the Bible is full of patterns?

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Our bodies will be changed in the smallest division of time (átomos); it does not mean we will be caught up and ascend in that same time frame. I genuinely believe we are the generation that will experience the harpazo. Yes, I hold the pre-tribulation view.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

If I am not called home first, I have pondered, will there be any time to take it all in? To see, hear the shout, the trumpet, look around as we ascend into the clouds?

I suspect the above verse may also include biblical patterns. I am not implying this will be the case, but it is a biblical pattern.

2 Kings 2:7 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan.

Elisha and fifty sons of the prophets watched Elijah ascend upward.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

The apostles watched and witnessed Jesus’ ascension to be at the Father's right hand.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

The enemies of God will see and watch the Two Witnesses ascend upward to Heaven.

Will the enemies of God watch and witness the ascension of the true church?

What are your thoughts?

The word rapture is not shown in the Bible but the word harpazo which is translated "caught up" or "caught away" refers to the rapture of the Church is in the Bible. The meaning appears 5 times in the Bible. 

2 Corinthians 12:2-4

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Revelation 12:5

Acts 8:39

John 10:28-29

 

[missmuffet]

16 minutes ago, Alive said:

I am convinced there is an event when the Lord returns that covers it all.

Resurrection, Judgement and a Restoration of all things.

We have no idea what that looks like in reality…but it will be glorious.

Speculation is like Carter’s liver pills.

:-)

Lots of money in liver pills.

You and I are not on the same page as far as theology is concerned. 

[Alive]

6 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

You and I are not on the same page as far as theology is concerned. 

I know, mm. We will all know one day for sure.

God Bless.