What happened to the tribe of Dan?

[angels4u]

Rev.7:5

144,000 Sealed
4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel: 5From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,…

The tribe of Dan is not mentioned  ...

[George]

If you actually study out the Tribes ... you have actually 14 named tribes. 

It's widely written Dan is missing because it was the first tribe that went into apostasy. 

Be blessed,

George

[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, angels4u said:

Rev.7:5

144,000 Sealed
4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel: 5From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,…

The tribe of Dan is not mentioned  ...

It is simply not said. But I can venture the opinion that it does not matter. The 144,000 of Revelation 7 are the Remnant predicted in Romans 9 and 11, and seen again in Revelation 12 - "those who keep the commandments of God". They only represent Israel.

What happens when you make a contract? Both parties are bound by demands, and both parties are subject to the stated PENALTIES if they default. Israel were made certain PROMISES by Covenant with Abraham. One of them was that they would get Canaan as "an everlasting possession". 430 years later, as Moses leads Israel towards this goal, another Covenant is made with Abraham's seed via Jacob - the Covenant of Law. The penalties of this Covenant demanded that if Israel did not keep the Laws of God, they would be kicked out of the Land. They broke the Law badly, and were ejected from Canaan. But this put God in a difficult position (perish the thought), rather, a seeming difficulty (for Who is like Jehovah Who is never taken by surprise).

One Covenant PROMISED Israel the Land and another ejected them from it. How then would God be able to meet both Covenants? The answer is simple. Refer to the contents of the Covenants. So in Deuteronomy 28 the condition for being ejected are laid forth and Chapter 30 starts like this;

1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

According to the grammar, verse 1 ASSUMES that Israel will break the Law and will be scattered among all nations. Verse 2 gives the way back for Israel. If they return to what Moses was teaching "THAT DAY", God would reverse their dispersion among all nations. And "that day", Moses was expounding the law that regulated Israel IN the Land and not IN the wilderness. Israel need to do one thing to be recovered as a Nation i their Land - return to Moses. Now, this will immediately provoke opposition. Why? Because Christianity has only one salvation for all men - "have faith in Jesus and you will go to heaven". But what of the Covenants made in blood and to which God, Who cannot lie, is a party???

Notwithstanding that faith in Jesus is a prerequisite for salvation, faith in Jesus is NOT a prerequisite for Israel being restored to their Land. According to Deuteronomy 18:18 the Law requires OBEDIENCE to Jesus, not faith. He is their KING and the command of God is that Israel were to "HEARKEN unto Him". This is again confirmed in Matthew 17 when the disciples wanted to build a tabernacle to Moses and Elijah. A thunderous voice came from heaven; "This is my beloved Son, ... HEAR YE HIM!" But Israel did not and rejected Him. 40 years later the political state of Israel was dissolved and its members either killed or scattered by Rome. 

But the question is; If Israel broke the Law - does that annul the Law. BY NO MEANS. If you have a Contract and you break it, it is then that the FULL WEIGHT OF THE PENALTIES ARE APPLIED. And how is PEACE between the two parties established again? Why, return and keep your side of the Contract!!! So God promises Israel that if they turn back to what Moses was teaching "that day", He would return their captivity to ownership of the Land - more blessed than those who were initially to take possession. But God is a realist.

God knew that Israel would remain stiff-necked to the end. So He makes a concession. If a REPRESENTATIVE REMNANT return to the Law, He will count it towards the whole Nation. Just as with Abraham and Sodom, if a small percentage of Israelites return to Law "with all their hearts and souls and minds", He will count that the Covenant has been fulfilled. At Elijah's time, God reserved 7,000 men for this purpose - and the rain came again. Now, as Israel reach their darkest hour - and collaborate with the Beast - God reserves His REMNANT. We can debate if 144,000 is literal or figurative, but what matters is that there is a contingent of Israelites who fervently return to Law - not for salvation, but to fulfill Israel's side of a deal to restore them as a Nation IN THEIR LAND.

Dan is not among this remnant. This is not a problem for the Contract. But it is problematic for verse 4. It reads;

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of ALL the tribes of the children of Israel.

Dan missing does not hinder Deuteronomy 30:1-5, but the inspired Record is that this 144,000 was taken from ALL the Tribes of Israel. I am the first to admit that I do not know the answer to this. Maybe somebody could help.

[other one]

6 hours ago, angels4u said:

Rev.7:5

144,000 Sealed
4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel: 5From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,…

The tribe of Dan is not mentioned  ...

The tribe of Dan did not stay in the allotted area given to it by the Lord.  They had such trouble with the philistines that they picked up and moved north and annihilated a group of peaceful people around Lebanon.  Burned their city and built the city of Dan in it's place.   As I understood some of my non scripture books they were  worshiping pagan gods, one of which was that golden calf that God never tolerated.   They seemed to blend with people outside their tribe and outside of Hebrews and God just turned on them.  The Assyrians killed or carried them off and they did not stay a tribe in captivity as did the others.

 

Most of that is not from the Bible so take it with a grain of salt if you must.

[George]

@angels4u  Remember that most of the tribes by the time Israel was dispersed by the Assyrian empire scattered across the globe, and a remnant of each of the tribes integrated into Judah, Benjamin and Levi.  So my gut feeling is that the tribe names are symbolic of the time in the future where every believer will be part of a tribe.  The New Jerusalem of the future ... is the 12 tribes of "Israel" at that time is the Israel of God.   Just another thing to consider. 

[angels4u]

8 minutes ago, George said:

@angels4u  Remember that most of the tribes by the time Israel was dispersed by the Assyrian empire scattered across the globe, and a remnant of each of the tribes integrated into Judah, Benjamin and Levi.  So my gut feeling is that the tribe names are symbolic of the time in the future where every believer will be part of a tribe.  The New Jerusalem of the future ... is the 12 tribes of "Israel" at that time is the Israel of God.   Just another thing to consider. 

Ever heard tell or read that some think the AC might come from the tribe of Dan?

[Dennis1209]

From my notes:

Jesus was from Judah, Paul was from Benjamin, and John the Baptist was a Levite, but, since the diaspora in A.D. 70, identifying the tribe of a modern Jew is a little more difficult. That doesn’t mean that the tribal divisions are irrelevant. During the tribulation, when most of the world has abandoned God and is following the Antichrist, 144,000 Jews will be sealed by God. This number comprises 12,000 from each tribe. So, even if we don’t know who is in what tribe, God has kept track. The tribes are listed again in Revelation 7:5-8, but they are not the same tribes that were given land in Joshua. Manasseh is there, and Ephraim (under Joseph’s name). But instead of Dan, Levi is included. No explanation is given as to why.

The tribe of Dan is excluded from the twelve tribes making up the 144,000 Jewish witnesses in Revelation 7:. Because they were the first to go into idolatry and led the rest of Israel into idolatry. There are no “lost tribes”. In the list of tribes, Joseph stands for Ephraim. If memory serves, Dan will eventually be restored. In Judges 18: the tribe of Dan also turned their backs on their divine inheritance, traveling way North to conquer and occupy Laish (Leshem) against the Lord's commands.

 

[other one]

Keep in mind that Mary was from the Tribe of Levi.   Joseph, his adopted father was from Judah.  Jesus was a blend of both tribes making him legally King and Priest. 

[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, angels4u said:

Ever heard tell or read that some think the AC might come from the tribe of Dan?

I have heard that a few times myself. I think after the millennium, the tribe of Dan will be restored, having an entrance gate into New Jerusalem. I may be wrong, but it would not make sense if the A/C came from the tribe of Dan. I suspect the A/C will be a Gentile, possibly with some provable genealogy with the tribe of Dan? Just my thoughts on the topic. 

Ezekiel 48:32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.

Some early church fathers believed the A/C would come from the tribe of Dan, based on Jer, 8:16 and Rev. 7:5-7.

Jeremiah does not merely point out the Antichrist’s sudden coming, but he even indicates the tribe from which he will come, when he says, “We will hear the voice of his swift horses from Dan” [Jer. 8:16]. Irenaeus (c. 180, E/W), 1.559.

Bercot, David W., editor. “Antichrist.” A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs: A Reference Guide to More than 700 Topics Discussed by the Early Church Fathers, Hendrickson Publishers, 1998, p. 23.

[Dennis1209]

3 minutes ago, other one said:

Keep in mind that Mary was from the Tribe of Levi.   Joseph, his adopted father was from Judah.  Jesus was a blend of both tribes making him legally King and Priest. 

And both in the linage of King David.