Resurrection of the Just and the Unjust Happens At The Second Coming

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On 7/5/2022 at 3:17 PM, Serving said:

The body that Jesus appeared to his disciples was not a mortal body,

Not so, Jesus showed Himself to the disciples before He was taken up to heaven. He was still in His human body for He hadn't yet ascended. 

And yes .. yes I realise that no mortal body could still live with His wounds .. but if God willed it so, then indeed it could .. and it did, for it was for a purpose after all .. just like no human can bring a 4 day old body back to life yet Christ could and did .. all things are possible with God after all.

even though the phrase 'flesh and bone' was used...He was not raised to a mortal body...he partook of flesh and blood like all his brethren at conception, but was not resurrected to a mortal body...

Not so, He was raised in His human body at first, raised before He ascended and was changed .. "Raised" is mostly used to refer to bringing a mortal body back to mortal life .. resurrected however is only ever used to describe the mortal putting on immortality .. distinct difference between the two. 

I am still having difficulty understanding your position...it seems you are saying he was raised a mortal body, is that right?

Is the body of Jesus a mortal body right now or an immortal body?

Blessings to you- Gary

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16 hours ago, iamlamad said:

On 5/11/2022 at 10:19 PM, transmogrified said:

Many have inserted a 1000 year gap between these two resurrections because Rev. 20:5 seemed to imply the wicked dead would not live again until the 1000 years was finished.

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Many have inserted a 1000 year gap between these two resurrections

John did it first in Revelation 20. That is why others do: it is scriptural.

If it truly was scriptural that the wicked dead would not be resurrected until the 1000 years are finished, then Paul was misleading the saints to tell them God would take vengeance on the wicked when he comes.

In 2 Thess. 1 Paul is telling the sains that when Jesus comes God will take vengeance on those who were persecuting them: He first goes over the persecutions they were going through...'So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure..." Then he goes on to tell that it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that were troubling them...

"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven...(Second Coming...not 1000 years after the Second Coming...) with his mighty angels...(Second Coming...He will come with his mighty angels...this does not happen 1000 years after he comes, this is WHEN he comes with his mighty angels...) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God...( 'Them that know not God,' is a direct reference to those who were persecuting those saints at Thessalonica...) and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (again saying those at Thessalonica who were persecuting the saints were not obeying the gospel of our Lord...) 

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord...(Flaming fire and everlasting destruction is what happens to the tares, to the goats, to the bad fish..all at the end of this age...not at the end of the next age...) and from the glory of his power;

And when does this happen? Does he say, "When the 1000 years are finished?" No he does not...he says this will happen WHEN JESUS COMES, as stated in the next phrase:

10) WHEN HE SHALL COME  to be glorified in his saints...

Here are some other translations that say the same thing as to WHEN God will take vengeance on those that do not obey the gospel with flaming fire...:

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CEV - This will happen on the day when the Lord returns to be praised and honored by all who have faith in him and belong to him. This includes you, because you believed what we said.

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NIV - on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

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GNT- when he comes on that Day to receive glory from all his people and honor from all who believe. You too will be among them, because you have believed the message that we told you.

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BSB - on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with wonder by all who have believed, including you who have believed our testimony.

To repeat WHAT is supposed to happen to WHO on the day Christ returns?

1) God will recompense tribulation to those who were troubling the saints at Thessalonica...

2) He will do it WHEN he comes with his mighty angels...

3) He will take vengeance on them with FLAMING FIRE...

4) And it will be EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION...

Flaming fire and everlasting destruction means they are cast into the lake of Fire and it also means it is the the finality of it...it is everlasting destruction.. 

This is specifically talking about the wicked dead...Those who were persecuting the saints at Thessalonica have been dead for some 2000 years...they will be resurrected and judged with flaming fire at the Second Coming...

Paul is telling the saints that when Jesus comes God he will both take vengeance on those that were persecuting them and that at this time they will be relieved and also confirms this will take place when he comes: 

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NIV - and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

 

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BSB - and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels

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GWT- It is also right for God to give all of us relief from our suffering. He will do this when the Lord Jesus is revealed, [coming] from heaven with his mighty angels in a blazing fire.

Paul did not mislead the saints...Paul is the wise master builder who laid the foundation...he said if any one preaches any other gospel than what I have preached let him be accursed...Paul did not tell them God would punish them 1000 years after Jesus comes ...he said this would take place WHEN HE COMES..not 1000 YEARS AFTER HE COMES...

He does not come with all his mighty angels at the end of the 1000 years...the saints are not glorified at the end of the 1000 years, they are glorified WHEN HE COMES. These are not wicked people who are alive at the time Christ comes...Paul is telling the Thessalonians THOSE WHO WERE PERSECUTING THEM AT THAT TIME would be punished with everlasting fire when he comes. They have to be resurrected before they will are judged...they will be both resurrected and judged AT THE SECOND COMING.

 

Blessings to you - Gary 

 

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8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

I am still having difficulty understanding your position...it seems you are saying he was raised a mortal body, is that right?

Is the body of Jesus a mortal body right now or an immortal body?

Blessings to you- Gary

Jesus body changed, was (is) not the same anymore., he had an immortal body that was not subject to decay.  

With the body he had he was not meant to live on earth anymore...he did not need oxygen to remain alive...the luck of oxygen or poisonous gases couldn't kill him.  

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The resurrection of the just and the unjust; of everyone who has ever lived, will happen at the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15   NOT at the Return, when Jesus only judges the nations. Matthew 25:31-33

We Christians will not and cannot be bodily removed from this earth.  Heaven is a place for Spirit beings and 'rapture to heaven' believers, of whatever timing; know this, so their answer to that is: we are 'changed' and made immortal at the moment of rapture. This ignores the plain scripture of Revelation 20:11-15, of how it is only at the Great White Throne Judgement, that immortality is conferred to those whose names are found in the Book of Life. The 'change at the twinkle of an eye', in Corinthians 15, is a prophecy about what happens at the GWT, AFTER the Millennium.

Re the word 'escape' in Luke 21:36. This is rendered as 'pass safely through' in the Revised English Bible.
Although 'escape' is one way of translating the Greek word there, to do that is to directly conflict with the context of the immediately preceding verse 35, that says what will happen; 'will come upon everyone the whole world over'. The REB correctly renders  Luke 21:34-36.

Certainly, verse 36 does not even hint of a rapture to heaven; that has to be imposed onto the text.

Re; Revelation 3:10. Being 'kept from', doesn't mean taken away from. The 3 men in the fiery furnace weren't taken out of it, they were protected in it. Noah went thru the Flood, people today face persecution; it’s simply illogical to even think that suddenly God will allow His people to 'escape, away from’, trials and testing, let alone take them all up to heaven before Judgement!

The other aspect of a 'rapture to heaven', is what does God really want of His people?   We have the Great Commission. Matthew 28:19 When did, or when will, God rescind that?

 

So what will the Lord do for His faithful people?
Most will know that I point out how the Lord's holy people, that is: every faithful Christian, will be gathered into all of the holy Land, Psalm 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16, where they will be the people God always wanted in His Land, being His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-15

I have plenty of Biblical proofs of this. It is what will happen, any other belief is deception.

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17 hours ago, transmogrified said:

If it truly was scriptural that the wicked dead would not be resurrected until the 1000 years are finished, then Paul was misleading the saints to tell them God would take vengeance on the wicked when he comes.

In 2 Thess. 1 Paul is telling the sains that when Jesus comes God will take vengeance on those who were persecuting them: He first goes over the persecutions they were going through...'So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure..." Then he goes on to tell that it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that were troubling them...

"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven...(Second Coming...not 1000 years after the Second Coming...) with his mighty angels...(Second Coming...He will come with his mighty angels...this does not happen 1000 years after he comes, this is WHEN he comes with his mighty angels...) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God...( 'Them that know not God,' is a direct reference to those who were persecuting those saints at Thessalonica...) and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (again saying those at Thessalonica who were persecuting the saints were not obeying the gospel of our Lord...) 

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord...(Flaming fire and everlasting destruction is what happens to the tares, to the goats, to the bad fish..all at the end of this age...not at the end of the next age...) and from the glory of his power;

And when does this happen? Does he say, "When the 1000 years are finished?" No he does not...he says this will happen WHEN JESUS COMES, as stated in the next phrase:

10) WHEN HE SHALL COME  to be glorified in his saints...

Here are some other translations that say the same thing as to WHEN God will take vengeance on those that do not obey the gospel with flaming fire...:

To repeat WHAT is supposed to happen to WHO on the day Christ returns?

1) God will recompense tribulation to those who were troubling the saints at Thessalonica...

2) He will do it WHEN he comes with his mighty angels...

3) He will take vengeance on them with FLAMING FIRE...

4) And it will be EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION...

Flaming fire and everlasting destruction means they are cast into the lake of Fire and it also means it is the the finality of it...it is everlasting destruction.. 

This is specifically talking about the wicked dead...Those who were persecuting the saints at Thessalonica have been dead for some 2000 years...they will be resurrected and judged with flaming fire at the Second Coming...

Paul is telling the saints that when Jesus comes God he will both take vengeance on those that were persecuting them and that at this time they will be relieved and also confirms this will take place when he comes: 

 

Paul did not mislead the saints...Paul is the wise master builder who laid the foundation...he said if any one preaches any other gospel than what I have preached let him be accursed...Paul did not tell them God would punish them 1000 years after Jesus comes ...he said this would take place WHEN HE COMES..not 1000 YEARS AFTER HE COMES...

He does not come with all his mighty angels at the end of the 1000 years...the saints are not glorified at the end of the 1000 years, they are glorified WHEN HE COMES. These are not wicked people who are alive at the time Christ comes...Paul is telling the Thessalonians THOSE WHO WERE PERSECUTING THEM AT THAT TIME would be punished with everlasting fire when he comes. They have to be resurrected before they will are judged...they will be both resurrected and judged AT THE SECOND COMING.

Blessings to you - Gary 

 

If it truly was not scriptural that the wicked dead would be resurrected after the 1000 years are finished, then John was and still is misleading the saints to tell them that the wicked dead would not be resurrected until after the 1000 years.

So who is misleading the church: Paul or John?

I suggest neither. It is all in how we understand Paul's writing.

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20 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

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Scripture says the DEAD are raised  I ALSO AM SAYING THE DEAD ARE RAISED. 
The spiritually and physically NEVER been born again, let the dead bury the dead, never received the gift of salvation, don't know the Lord and Saviour, worship other gods,  just and unjust are raised

YOU on the other hand ARE SAYING THE NEVER DIE ARE RAISED, by RENAMING  THE NEVER DIE 'THE DEAD'. 

You are saying  The born again, died in Christ and were raised up to heaven with Him, returning with Him, made a new creature, received the gift of salvation, possessors of eternal life  ARE actually THE DEAD.  


do you see the difference?  I AM SAYING SOME OF THE DEAD DEAD DEAD rise up who consist of the spiritually dead, never come to faith dead, the never heard the words of God dead, false teachers and preachers, wolves, children of the devil, these are THE DEAD 


while you are saying the NEVER DIE, made alive, eternally saved, made a new creature, received the gift of salvation ARE THE DEAD. 


Do you see how YOUR DEAD can't be 'the dead in Christ' because MY DEAD are and  with the dead that rise

it can't be 'the living' aka your dead that rise.  



  

All those who ever died before and during the tribulation who didn't believe in God or Jesus ARE DEAD and in the grave.  

At the end of the tribulation SATAN is destroyed by the Brightness of Christ and SUDDEN DESTRUCTION comes to those who have taken the mark of the beast and heard PEACE AND SAFETY leaving all of them dead.  The birds ate the flesh of all the armies who died.  The remnant were slain with the sword. 


Those who are left alive and remaining/left behind BECAUSE the sudden destruction didn't come upon them and they have endured to the end, are changed.  


So then WHO IS LEFT ALIVE IN THE FLESH?  NO ONE. 

SO to have ANY NATIONS upon the earth for the Lords Day it has to be  THE JUST AND UNJUST WHO RISE UP FROM THE GRAVE,  still spiritually dead, but risen for the 1000 years and THE DEAD who will stand in judgment.  


 

How can I discuss logically with someone that imagines they will never die - that imagines born again people never die? I think it almost impossible, but I will try again.

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.  [By "asleep" Paul is talking about born again people who heart stopped, their spirit left their body, their body went into the grave, and their spirit rose up to be with the Lord. Most belivers call these saints "dead." Since they died in Christ, they are then the "dead in Christ."]

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [Paul is saying that when Jesus comes (NOT His Armageddon coming) He will bring with Him the spirits of those who passed (whose spirit left their body because their heart ceased to pump blood) - the spirits of those who died in Christ from verse 13 - the "dead in Christ."

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [By "asleep" Paul is certainly not speaking of live people sleeping (what many do at night) but rather he is speaking of those who died - whose spirit left their body and their body was buried - hense, the "dead in Christ." They were born again so were baptized into the body of Christ (for short, "in Christ") so were a part of the body of Christ when they passed away (when their heart stopped and their spirit left their dead body). 

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: This is not Jesus' Armageddon coming. It is His coming for His saints, to take them to a place of safety while He pours out His wrath. Those who were born again but passed away - those who were in Christ but died and their body buried - will rise first. First before who? First before those who are alive and in Christ get caught up and changed.

Since we KNOW that all people die physically because of Adam's sin (1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive) we can know positively that when Jesus said "whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die" - He MUST have meant die spiritually.

I think you have to come to grips with "in Christ."

[iamlamad]

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

AGAIN, AGAIN AGAIN what part are you NOT HEARING.   

THE FLESH dies, the BODY NUMBER 2 is born the spirit soul body go to heaven.  The only time I will see a saint that has died is WHEN I die and go to heaven and SEE HIM THERE

OR he is among the saints returning with CHRIST.  

SO YES, WE are having common sense you are just asking ridiculous questions that have nothing to do with anything I have ever stated. 

BUT

the very ASKING OF THEM tells me you can't understand what having 2 bodies means.  


The natural earth seen body is of the earth the spiritual heavenly unseen body is of the heaven.  

AS WE have born the earth body WE WILL BEAR THE HEAVEN.  

 The earth body dies, WHICH QUICKENS THE SPIRITUAL BODY,  NOW WE GO INTO THE UNSEEN WORLD, and the spirit soul body GOES ON LIVING IN HEAVEN TO RETURN


THE DEAD when the earth body dies GO into the grave.  They go to Hell.  They go to the UNSEEN WORLD OF THE DEAD.  BOTH OF THEIR BODIES stay in the dust of the earth

WAITING WAITING WAITING


UNTIL THE RETURN OF CHRIST because when Christ returns is WHEN THE DEAD ARE RAISED UP

Hopefully this 5th grade presentation will put an end to you asking me questions about seeing OLD DEAD PEOPLE.  

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the BODY NUMBER 2

Can you find any scripture anywhere that shows our human spirit has a body after it leaves our flesh body?

I have always thought our human spirit was just that: a spirit separated from its physical body at death, but to be reunited to the old body resurrected and changed.

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THE FLESH dies, the BODY NUMBER 2 is born the spirit soul body go to heaven. 

Wow! Post after post you kept posting Jesus saying those that believe in Him never die. Now, finally, you are admitting our human body - even if we are born again - dies. 

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The only time I will see a saint that has died is WHEN I die

How different from what you wrote here:

Since BELIEVERS NEVER DIE,

it is impossible to be AMONGST THE DEAD THAT RISE when Christ returns. 

Are you ready to admit that Jesus was speaking of spiritual death here?

"John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me SHALL NEVER DIE. Believest thou this?"

Perhaps we need to define our terms: There are THREE kinds of death found in the bible:

1. Physical death where the human heart stops beating and the human spirit with the soul (mind, will, emotions, memories etc) leave the dead human body.

2. Spiritual death: defined as being separated from God. NOT born again. The state every human being is in when they reach the age where God will hold them accountable and then they sin. At that time their name is blotted out.

3. Eternal death. This comes when a human is cast into the lake of fire.

Can you agree here?

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the very ASKING OF THEM tells me you can't understand what having 2 bodies means.  

Truthfully, I have never heard of such a thing. Did Paul ever speak of the human spirit as a "body?"

Actually, we have our physical body, but on the day of the rapture we will have our body changed into a resurrection body. I guess that could be "two bodies" but just not at the same time. 

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The natural earth seen body is of the earth the spiritual heavenly unseen body is of the heaven.  

Please show us a scripture where the human spirit is a "body."

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The earth body dies, WHICH QUICKENS THE SPIRITUAL BODY,  NOW WE GO INTO THE UNSEEN WORLD, and the spirit soul body GOES ON LIVING IN HEAVEN TO RETURN

I could agree 100% with this if you wrote it this way: The earth body dies, which caused the human spirit to leave its physical body. The human spirit is invisible to natural eyes so is unseen. The spirit with the soul goes on living in heaven to return with Christ.

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UNTIL THE RETURN OF CHRIST because when Christ returns is WHEN THE DEAD ARE RAISED UP

There is only one place in scripture where Christ returns and at the same time causes a resurrection. That is in 1 Thes. 4 where Paul wrote that the dead IN CHRIST will be resurrected first, before those alive and in Christ are caught up. I would ask you to define WHICH DEAD are raised? Paul said the dead IN CHRIST. That means the dead physical bodies of the saints who went to heaven to be with our Lord when they passed. Jesus will bring those spirits with Him so they can join again with their new resurrected bodies.

[iamlamad]

22 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

OK, your pre trib took all the dead raised them up grabbed the alive and remaining and took them to heaven. 

7 years later the pre trib raptured  church is returning with Christ for the 2nd Advent, 

the Brightness of Christ destroys Satan, the end of tribulation. 

PLEASE GIVE ME SCRIPTURE THAT SHOWS WHAT HAPPENS at the end of the tribulation to

1.   those who took the mark of the beast?  

2.  the 144,000 and the 2 witnesses, and those who 'came to faith' during the tribulation through them preaching the good news?  

3. those who died,  not in the name of the Lord, by being beheaded but just naturally died.  

4.  those who were beheaded for Christ

 

 

: -)))  It seems you are catching on!

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1.   those who took the mark of the beast?  

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

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2a.  the 144,000 

Rev. 14:1...

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne...

Clearly, they are in heaven. How did they get there? John does not tell us. My guess is, God caught them up as He did Enoch.

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2b.  the 2 witnesses

The two witnesses SHOW UP and begin their 1260 days just 3.5 days before the abomination that will divide the week. They testify for 1260 days, which will take them to just 3.5 days before the end of the week when they are killed. They lay dead those 3.5 days and are resurrected (with all the other OT saints) "on the last day."

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

I think the earthquake when they were raised the the same earthquake we read about at the 7th vial that ends the week.

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2c. those who 'came to faith' during the tribulation through them preaching the good news?  

First, they will be hunted down like animals"

Rev, 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

They will be overcome.

Rev, 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

After they are overcome:

Heb. 15: 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

After the millennial kingdom is established: They are seen reigning with Christ

20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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3. those who died,  not in the name of the Lord, by being beheaded but just naturally died.  

20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

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4.  those who were beheaded for Christ

20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[iamlamad]

On 7/11/2022 at 12:36 PM, DeighAnn said:

I suspect you don't understand the kingdom in heaven is not dependent upon a pre trib rapture to have beasts and elders and angels and saints.  

The beasts and elders and angels were seen in heaven by John FAR before the pretrib rapture that is future.

(I don't believe Rev. 4:1 is speaking of the rapture.)

[iamlamad]

On 7/11/2022 at 12:30 PM, DeighAnn said:

AGAIN, I have never ever ever said the FLESH BODY WOULD NOT DIE.  I have stated it will time and again.  How is it you are all of a sudden going back to this?  THE FLESH DIES  BODY ONE DONE

AND the spiritual body rises LIVING ON in heaven, in the spiritual body MEANS

NO WAY to be IN THE EARTH AWAITING A RESURRECTION WHEN CHRIST RETURNS.  

Twist it as you may try it won't work

Here is a quote  - from your post:

Since BELIEVERS NEVER DIE,

it is impossible to be AMONGST THE DEAD THAT RISE when Christ returns. 

What then were you thinking when you wrote this?

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THE FLESH DIES  BODY ONE DONE

I am SO HAPPY you now agree that a born again person can DIE and be DEAD.  Since they died "in Christ" they are now the dead "In Christ."

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AND the spiritual body rises LIVING ON in heaven, in the spiritual body

The born again human spirit certainly will live in heaven until Jesus comes to call up the church - pretrib. I don't believe the bible ever says the human spirit is a BODY or has a BODY.

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NO WAY to be IN THE EARTH AWAITING A RESURRECTION WHEN CHRIST RETURNS.  

Read it:

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep [dead died, passed], that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [Paul did not specify, but I have always considered He was bringing them (in their spirit form) with Him. Of course the soul always goes with the spirit because God tied them tightly together.]

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [who passed away]

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [These are those who died previously, their body went to the grave, and their spirits went to be with Jesus. Since they were born again, Paul calls them the dead in Christ. They DIED being "In Christ."

It seems then, Paul disagrees with you.