Who is Resurrected, and When?

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Where does it say you RETURN for a body?





 

Scripture clearly teaches the dead in Christ will be with Jesus at his return, and it teaches at the event of the second coming, the dead will receive their awaited upon glorified body in the twinkling of an eye (The End)

[FreeGrace]

16 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

How do you explain "The Fact" below, when Jesus Christ returns the resurrection takes place, and its (The End)

Simple.  You misunderstand what "the end" refers to.  There are several "ends" to consider.  

For example, "when He comes" at the Second Advent, that will mark the END of life since Adam, given that all believers will be resurrected and have glorified immortal bodies.  So the MK will actually be different in that respect.

Then, there will be the "end" of the MK, at the battle of Gog and Magog, where fire from heaven kills ALL remaining unbelievers during the MK.

Then, there will be "the end" of all unbelievers when they will be cast into the eternal LOF.

16 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

There isn't your cherished Millennial Kingdom on this earth hiding between verse 23-24 below

You can dismiss or disrespect what the Bible teaches all you want, but there will be a literal MK in which King Jesus rules the nations with a rod of iron.  I can't even imagine how you view that.

Snarkiness aside, there is nothing hiding in the Word of God.  Maybe only in your mind.

16 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

John 6:39-40 is in perfect agreement, the believer will be resurrected on "The Last Day"

Scripture teaches Jesus returns (The End), as you believe and teach Jesus returns and a "Mortal" Millennial Kingdom on this earth starts "Wrong"

Prove your claim with clear Scripture then.  All you've done is make claims.

16 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

"Why" do you reject this simple biblical truth before your eyes?

1 Corinthians 15:23-24KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The "end comes" when King Jesus delivers up His kingdom to His Father.  Why do you  insist that John MUST include a literal kingdom if there is one?  Just what kingdom will Jesus "deliver up" to His Father, if not the MK?

16 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

OK, and you must be able to discern WHICH "last day".  There are several to consider.

For example, the "last day" of life on earth BEFORE all believers will be glorified.  That would be the Second Advent.

Then, there will be the "last day" of the MK, 1,000 years after the Second Advent.

The problem is your flat refusal to accept Rev 20 as literal.  If you would get over your hangup, you'd have no problem with individual verses.

[Keras]

7 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Heb 9:27 doesn't say "right away", as it seems you believe

Right; the Judgment does not come immediately. The souls of all the dead wait for the GWT Judgment, after the thousand years is over. Revelation 20:11-15

For a dead person, time passes without their being conscious of it. Even Adam  must wait nearly 7000 years. But when the dead rise to stand before God, it will be their next moment of awareness and the passing of time means nothing to them. 

[Selah7]

On 2/2/2023 at 1:46 PM, DeighAnn said:

YOU SHOW ME WHERE IT is written

THE LIVING ARE RESURRECTED, so I can begin to understand what you are claiming. because

The living are resurrected when Jesus returns in the twinkling of an eye. The living who are Christians will partake of the FIRST Resurrection and will receive immortality. Unbelievers, on the other hand, will be changed into their incorruptible but still mortal spiritual bodies until after the millennium at the Great White Throne Judgment where they will be judged by their works.

[FreeGrace]

30 minutes ago, Keras said:

Right; the Judgment does not come immediately. The souls of all the dead wait for the GWT Judgment, after the thousand years is over. Revelation 20:11-15

For a dead person, time passes without their being conscious of it. Even Adam  must wait nearly 7000 years. But when the dead rise to stand before God, it will be their next moment of awareness and the passing of time means nothing to them. 

I've explained myself and responded to you previous post.

If you disagree with what I said, please address the points and show me how and why I'm in error, if you can.

Thanks.  I don't want to be wrong any more than you do.  Convince me with evidence.

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

You can dismiss or disrespect what the Bible teaches all you want, but there will be a literal MK in which King Jesus rules the nations with a rod of iron.  I can't even imagine how you view that.

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

[truth7t7]

3 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

The living are resurrected when Jesus returns in the twinkling of an eye. The living who are Christians will partake of the FIRST Resurrection and will receive immortality. Unbelievers, on the other hand, will be changed into their incorruptible but still mortal spiritual bodies until after the millennium at the Great White Throne Judgment where they will be judged by their works.

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[Selah7]

27 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

We disagree, friend, but that’s okay. 

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Because the Bible plainly says so.  The deception is yours.

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

prove that with Scripture about this "warning".

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

This isn't related to the MK.  

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 13:13-14KJV

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Nothing you quoted in your post proves that there will not be a literal MK.  

So far, you have no evidence at all for your claims.

Rev 20 couldn't be more clear.  But you reject what was written, and I don't recall that you have explained what all John meant in that chapter.

Could you summarize what the chapter is about?

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Because the Bible plainly says so.  The deception is yours.

prove that with Scripture about this "warning".

This isn't related to the MK.  

Nothing you quoted in your post proves that there will not be a literal MK.  

So far, you have no evidence at all for your claims.

Rev 20 couldn't be more clear.  But you reject what was written, and I don't recall that you have explained what all John meant in that chapter.

Could you summarize what the chapter is about?

 

MK = Missing Kingdom

When Jesus Christ returns its "Fire Time" (The End)

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV

²⁹ But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Edited February 8, 2023 by truth7t7