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There are a number of views given such as

One prevalent (original) belief is that during the three days that Jesus' body was confined in the tomb, he went to hell. This is based on the following passages from the Bible:
1. "He was not left in hell (Hades, Hell) — this is explained by the fact that He entered and then exited, and His flesh did not see any deterioration." He was, however, resurrected afterward (Acts 2:31).

2. Peter claimed that Jesus preached to "prisoners of conscience." 1 Peter 3:19 Inferred from this scripture is that He went to hell to preach.
3. "Therefore it is written: He rose to a high place, leading many captives, And grant favors to mankind," writes the apostle Paul in Ephesians 4:8-9.

Now, what do the words "He ascended" mean, did not He also descend into the lowlands of the earth?" At that time some believers believed that Jesus brought all the souls of the dead believers from their place in the Sheol (taken from "Sheol" and attributed to the meaning of hell) and brought them to heaven with Him because they had to wait for His death and resurrection before they could enter heaven. “But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who sleep.” (1 Cor. 15:20)
4. The Apostles' Creed declares that: Jesus has come down to the grave.
5. Some believers hold that no one can enter heaven until Jesus died, resurrected, and ascended to heaven (1 Cor. 15:20; John 14:3)

6. The Word-Faith movement added unorthodox teaching to this view. They claim that Jesus defeated Satan in hell, and then He was born again.

Many Bible scholars believe that when Jesus died on the cross, His spirit ascended to heaven to be with the Father for three days before His resurrection and return to earth ( second point of view). This group is based on the following scriptures:

1. “Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Father, into your hands I leave my spirit! As soon as he finished speaking, he stopped breathing." (Luke 23:36). Thus the soul of Jesus returned to the Father after His death on the cross.

2. Jesus said to the robber as He was hung on the cross, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” ) either translates as the garden of joy or translates as heaven (Luke 23:43). This is explained as Jesus went to heaven (Paradise) after He died on the cross. They also interpret Paradise here as the third heaven when compared with Paul's words: “I know a man in Christ who, fourteen years ago, was taken up to the third heavens. (either in the body or out of the body, I don't know, God knows).” (2 Cor. 12:2)

3. In the Old Testament Enoch was taken to heaven and did not have to experience death (Genesis 5:4; Heb. 11:5).

4. Elijah was also taken to heaven like Enoch (2 Kings 2:1).

When we look at the first point of view, we can see:

1. “The lower regions of the earth” (Ephesians 4:9) do not refer to hell (as opposed to below earth in Philippians 2:10) but to the tomb where Jesus' body is located. sealed.

2. The apostles' creed was not written with the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. The first version of this article does not include the phrase “He descended into the underworld….”

3. The word hell is not an accurate translation of the word “grave” used in Psalm 16:10-11 and Acts 2:31. We also refer to the EHV English Bible.

“Because God will not leave my soul in the grave (Vietnamese version translated as Hades)

Nor do you let God's holy people see corruption." (Ps. 16:10)

“He was not left in the grave (the Vietnamese version of the KT translated this place as Hades), and His flesh did not see corruption.” (Acts 2:31)

“he saw what was coming and spoke about the resurrection of Christ, saying that he was neither abandoned to the grave nor did his flesh see decay.” (Acts 2:31 EHV)

Peter used this verse to announce Christ's resurrection from the Sheol, not to say that the Lord's spirit had gone to hell.

4. When Paul wrote, “Therefore it is written, He ascended to a high place, and led many captives,” (Ephesians 4:8), he may not have meant bringing up souls. to heaven because believers are not exiles. The apostle was referring to Christ defeating the devil (Read Colossians 2 and Hebrews 2) and proclaiming His victory over hostile forces through resurrection power.

5. Jesus defeated Satan through death (Heb. 2:14) and through resurrection (Romans 4:25) rather than defeating Satan in hell. Before the hour of his crucifixion, Jesus said, “Now is the judgment of this world, and now the rulers of this world must be cast out.” (John 12:31). And then when He was hung on the cross He announced, "It is finished." (John 19:30; Heb. 1:3)

6. “But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who sleep.” (1 Cor. 15:20). This means that no one can take a resurrected body and go to heaven until Christ is resurrected. But this does not mean that the spirit of man cannot enter heaven before the resurrection of Christ. After all, Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8; Ephesians 1:4). In God's plan salvation is an event that was accomplished even before Jesus had to die, because "God knows the end from the beginning." (Isaiah 46:10)

7. Peter writes that Jesus preaching to imprisoned souls does not mean that this preaching occurred between the death and resurrection of the Lord. The context of the verse is, “And Christ also died for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, to lead us unto God; in the flesh, He died, but in the spirit He was resurrected. It was by the same soul that he went and preached to the souls in prison, the former rebellious, about the days of Noah…” (1 Peter 3:18-20). The text here makes it clear that after He was "resurrected" (resurrected), He preached to "the souls in prison, the former rebellious." When Peter wrote these words he was probably referring to Jesus' victory over demonic powers (Ephesians 4:8; Colossians 2:15).


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4 hours ago, Angee Licaa said:

There are a number of views given such as

Thank you foryour informative survey, it is very interesting.

What happened to Jesus following his death?

As he was fully human and was experiencing our experiences I think when he died he truely died and went to be where ever the souls of the dead go.

I don't think he then went to join his Father, that waited untill his acention.

What happened to the souls in the place of the dead when Jesus went ther? I don't know.

 

There some interesting areas to think about, the priority is not to loose sight of what Jesus achieved for us, which is not affected by our understanding of what happened to him.

 

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Yes, there are several views on this question, and you precisely addressed a couple of them. Good job!

4. Elijah was also taken to heaven like Enoch (2 Kings 2:1).

There’s a lot to unpack on number four; it is not said Elijah did not taste death, and my thoughts are that Elijah may have been raptured (harpazo, forcefully snatched) to another location on earth, much like Phillip was. There is supporting scriptural evidence if biblical king chronologies are accurate. Elijah handed over the mantle and just may have been retired possibly.

If you are interested in this view, I’ll copy my notes and post them.


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20 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

After three days His body  (which saw no corruption, having no sin) was changed into a new glorified spiritual body- it rose from the dead, as the first example of what those chosen in Him will experience. 

What scripture can you provide to verify that the flesh body of Christ changed into a new glorified spiritual body when he rose from the dead?


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Before Jesus died, Paradise was in Hell/Sheol which is told us when Lazarus and Abraham saw the rich man who asked if Lazarus would dip his finger in cool water and refresh him. There was a chasm between the 2 places. Jesus removed Paradise and the Old Testament Saints from Sheol and it is now in enlarged in Heaven. Also Jesus went to the place where the fallen Angels are chained (Tartarus) and showed Himself to them that He had defeated them.


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Can a human body of flesh "suddenly appear in the room where the door is locked" and can the human body "rise" as Jesus did on the Mount of Transfiguration? Matt 17:2 and John 20:19


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The Bible gives us clues as to what actually happened.

  1. Jesus died on the cross on 14 Nisan at the time the pascal lamb is slaughtered (John 1:29 / John 1:36)
  2. His body was placed in a tomb before sunset (3 hours later) where it remained until 17 Nisan (John 19:31-42)
  3. His Spirit descended to the lower earthly regions (Ephesians 4:9-10) and ascended to highest heaven
  4. Just before that ascent he declared the victory to the lost (1 Peter 3:19)
  5. And freed the occupants of Abraham's Bosom taking them to heaven (Ephesians 4:8)

All within that 3 hour window between Jesus' death on the cross and the end of that day at sunset:

Luke 23:43 (AV)
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

And so are all believers in Jesus ascended to heaven in death (as disembodied spirits):

2 Corinthians 5:1–8 (AV)
1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Jesus alone is bodily raise from the grave (Revelation 20:5-6) until he returns with 10 thousands of his saints (Jude 14) who will then be reunited with our resurrected bodies (Romans 8:23 / 1 Corinthians 15:51-58)

for the dead in Christ will then rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).

 

 

 


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Just now, JohnD said:

The Bible gives us clues as to what actually happened.

  1. Jesus died on the cross on 14 Nisan at the time the pascal lamb is slaughtered (John 1:29 / John 1:36)
  2. His body was placed in a tomb before sunset (3 hours later) where it remained until 17 Nisan (John 19:31-42)
  3. His Spirit descended to the lower earthly regions (Ephesians 4:9-10) and ascended to highest heaven
  4. Just before that ascent he declared the victory to the lost (1 Peter 3:19)
  5. And freed the occupants of Abraham's Bosom taking them to heaven (Ephesians 4:8)

All within that 3 hour window between Jesus' death on the cross and the end of that day at sunset:

Luke 23:43 (AV)
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

And so are all believers in Jesus ascended to heaven in death (as disembodied spirits):

2 Corinthians 5:1–8 (AV)
1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Jesus alone is bodily raise from the grave (Revelation 20:5-6) until he returns with 10 thousands of his saints (Jude 14) who will then be reunited with our resurrected bodies (Romans 8:23 / 1 Corinthians 15:51-58)

for the dead in Christ will then rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).

 

 

 

The one challenge was:

John 20:17 (AV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

But the challenge does not take into consideration the resurrection of Jesus' body.

In his resurrected state Jesus had not yet ascended to the Father.

He had ascended in Spirit to heaven after having descended to Sheol (the abode of the grave) 3 days earlier (the day he died).


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Excuse me, the only other challenge was:

Matthew 12:39–40 (AV)
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John 2:21 (AV)
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

 


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To answet the OP, read the Apostle's Creed.

1 Peter 3:18-20

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirit – to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built...

This was well understood in all the church before the reformation seemed to edit and often delete this concept.

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