Daniel 9:26, 27 explained through New Test verses? YES? or no

[DeighAnn]

10 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I fully support you not caring what happens.

Nice, a sentence like that tells me a lot.  That you wrote it tells me a lot.  I am sure you can say  'well you said that didn't you'.  You can back up how you see it as truth, can't you?  But is it?  It's indicative of how you can process information isn't it?  This is along the lines of what I am speaking to.  

I hope you will understand why I have chosen not to read any more of your post.  

Edited June 12, 2022 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

3 minutes ago, Diaste said:

And what '100 years' are you talking about?

God said closed to the end and that wasn't the end as established by today.  The 100 years would be from 70AD to 176AD, right?  

 

6 minutes ago, Diaste said:

What would you call 'man's events'?  What prophecy was ever fulfilled that didn't involve mankind? Divine prophecy is top down, higher to lower. Jesus wasn't nailed to the cross by angels.

I am just saying if we can look back on something that took place 1000 years ago,  that event can't be the end, that's all.  

 

8 minutes ago, Diaste said:

. You don't reject the events by man of writing, recording, compiling, and publishing. Do you?

If they are written for the end, then whatever has taken place in the past, can't be  'the end' so it can't fulfill end time prophecy.    Maybe it is how the 70 weeks look to me.  Do you believe there has been a 'finish the transgression', or an end of sins been made?  Do you see the vision and prophecy as having been fulfilled?  

And if you would have asked me that question 10 years ago I would have answered Not most of the time, but today, I would answer with 'I'm skeptical' most of the time.  

[AdHoc]

On 6/11/2022 at 1:22 AM, DeighAnn said:

They may not have know that but WE CERTAINLY DO.  Hopefully you can, at least see,  WHY I DON'T CARE about what happened. 

This was your exact quote. I took you at your word.

Nevertheless, I respect your sentiments and wish you God's riches blessings.

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree, Antiochus Epiphanies was from "Greek" bloodlines,  and  polytheism

As clearly shown, the future figure seen in Daniel 11:37 will be a Jew/Hebrew

Wikipedia: The Seleucid dynasty or the Seleucidae (from Greek: Σελευκίδαι, Seleukídai) was a Macedonian Greek royal family, founded by Seleucus I Nicator, which ruled the Seleucid Empire centered in the Near East and regions of the Asian part of the earlier Achaemenid Persian Empire during the Hellenistic period.

Sure. I don't dispute that his lineage is Macedonian. AE was taken captive by Rome for a time and rose later to be King of Syria. Seleucus 1 Nicator did not rule Macedonia, that was Cassander. Seleucus ruled the vast empire of the Mideast, as did his successors. 

But it doesn't matter as that was not the point. At the time AE was confronted by the Roman emissary in 168 BC he was king of Syria. He returned to Syria and along the way committed the A of D in 167 BC. 

The point is to understand what the A of D is and not the lineage of the perp. That's what I was bringing into the conversation per the words of Jesus,

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a 

described by the prophet Daniel

(let the reader understand),"

So every description of the A of D is pertinent to the above. That's my point. 

[Diaste]

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

God said closed to the end and that wasn't the end as established by today.  The 100 years would be from 70AD to 176AD, right?  

The math is correct, where do the '100 years' come from?

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 

I am just saying if we can look back on something that took place 1000 years ago,  that event can't be the end, that's all.  

I didn't say that. Jesus didn't say that. Jesus is pointing out that we can look back for information. He said, "...described by the prophet Daniel" so every description by the prophet Daniel is our information for the future A of D that will happen, but has not yet, from the time of Jesus to this day. 

Since Jesus is correct in saying and A of D will occur and only one prophet described the A of D and what it entails and the results and timeline, that' who we should look to. History confirms the fulfillment of the A of D in 167 BC.

We need that information of Jesus would not have said, " (let the reader understand),"

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 

If they are written for the end, then whatever has taken place in the past, can't be  'the end' so it can't fulfill end time prophecy.    Maybe it is how the 70 weeks look to me.  Do you believe there has been a 'finish the transgression', or an end of sins been made?  Do you see the vision and prophecy as having been fulfilled?  

I didn't say it was the end. I said Jesus said to listen to Daniel and understand what the A of D is. Daniel shows us an example which occurred in 167 BC at the hands of Antiochus IV Epiphanes. We have no clue what the A of D is unless it has happened and we can look to an example. Because it happened in the past doesn't mean it cannot happen again. 

Even Jesus said, "So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand)," 

This is a future A of D from the time of Jesus and Jesus says we are to look to Daniel for the understanding of the A of D. It would be nearly impossible to know what an A of D is, or what it means, if there was no example.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

And if you would have asked me that question 10 years ago I would have answered Not most of the time, but today, I would answer with 'I'm skeptical' most of the time.  

Okay. Not a bad thing. https://worthychristianforums-h45go6maxh5rpepgu.netdna-ssl.com/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Sure. I don't dispute that his lineage is Macedonian. AE was taken captive by Rome for a time and rose later to be King of Syria. Seleucus 1 Nicator did not rule Macedonia, that was Cassander. Seleucus ruled the vast empire of the Mideast, as did his successors. 

But it doesn't matter as that was not the point. At the time AE was confronted by the Roman emissary in 168 BC he was king of Syria. He returned to Syria and along the way committed the A of D in 167 BC. 

The point is to understand what the A of D is and not the lineage of the perp. That's what I was bringing into the conversation per the words of Jesus,

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a 

described by the prophet Daniel

(let the reader understand),"

So every description of the A of D is pertinent to the above. That's my point. 

And what a point you made.  An example of a future event and not the event itself.  That I get. So what parts do see as relevant to what we will be seeing that warrants it to be noticed?  

One of the problems with naming such events  are the people who take it and make it THE event and add it as the foundation of an already false belief.  There have been a few times I didn't write things because I thought this is going to cause problems down the line

BUT THANK YOU for that EXCELLENT explanation FOR ME,  you make me feel like    What a great way to start a morning!!  Have a most blessed day!!!!

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Okay. Not a bad thing. https://worthychristianforums-h45go6maxh5rpepgu.netdna-ssl.com/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png

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[Diaste]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

And what a point you made.  An example of a future event and not the event itself.  That I get. So what parts do see as relevant to what we will be seeing that warrants it to be noticed?  

Well, I knew you would get it. https://worthychristianforums-h45go6maxh5rpepgu.netdna-ssl.com/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png 

What's relevant is what it is so we know when we see it. Go to that link I gave you to the Jewish Encyclopedia and you'll see what AE did. That's what we can look for when the time comes. That's how we will know for sure who this person is and what time it is.

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

One of the problems with naming such events  are the people who take it and make it THE event and add it as the foundation of an already false belief.  There have been a few times I didn't write things because I thought this is going to cause problems down the line

BUT THANK YOU for that EXCELLENT explanation FOR ME,  you make me feel like    What a great way to start a morning!!  Have a most blessed day!!!!

Glory to Jesus!

[abcdef]

On 6/9/2022 at 3:50 PM, DeighAnn said:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

Gal 3:17, Says that Jesus was the one who confirmed the covenant.

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He began His ministry in 30 AD. After the 69th week was over and at the beginning of the 70th week.

He died 3 1/2 years later in the middle of the week.

He confirmed the promises in the Law and Prophets of a new covenant that began on Pentecost in 33 AD.

The covenant was broken by Israel in 37 AD completing the 70th week and the gentiles were allowed into the kingdom.

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[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, abcdef said:

Gal 3:17, Says that Jesus was the one who confirmed the covenant.

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He began His ministry in 30 AD. After the 69th week was over and at the beginning of the 70th week.

He died 3 1/2 years later in the middle of the week.

He confirmed the promises in the Law and Prophets of a new covenant that began on Pentecost in 33 AD.

The covenant was broken by Israel in 37 AD completing the 70th week and the gentiles were allowed into the kingdom.

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Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

I can't agree with that reasoning for a few reasons one is because the city and the sanctuary WERE NOT destroyed in those years and I don't allow myself to rearrange what is written, not to mention the New Covenant brought by the Lord is confirmed for more than a week.  Satan has a short time.  Would Jesus cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?  And if you look at Daniels Prayer, that line of thought does not fit with the 70 weeks determined.